Double Credits.... Should it comeback?

[LoneW0lf]

yeah. for at least a while so i can win enough to gamble some more.

I regret giving away 200k before I quit last year. I love that gambling hall.

[SK8R43]

lol its really not THAT hard to earn credits. And the gambling hall makes it that much easier. I got 40k credits from Kayla's Tourny and I've turned it into 310k from gambling. Yes on occasions it would be really cool, but thats really it. lol

[Hakulyte]

I wish there was a "purchase secret songs" in FFR shop so I can aim for that instead of losing back everything in gambling hall.. like a once in a lifetime 200k fee.

..or I can just stop losing bets..

Edit: x2 creds may be a bit excessive for normal play, maybe more like x1.5 .

[LoneW0lf]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I wish there was a "purchase secret songs" in FFR shop so I can aim for that instead of losing back everything in gambling hall.. like a once in a lifetime 200k fee.

..or I can just stop losing bets..

I know that feel.

I went from 10k to 1.6mil back in the day, and lost it all :/.

I also have constantly gone back to zero credits since returning to FFR 2 weeks ago.

[Untimely Friction]

Double credits, And at the same double the reqs for secret songs. :>

[Jonlovesddr]

Yes because I want last battle festival

[SK8R43]

Originally Posted by Untimely Friction

double the reqs for secret songs. :>

Hell no D:

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Untimely Friction

Double credits, And at the same double the reqs for secret songs. :>

As it is most think it's stupid to make people hold on to credits to play songs. Why would we make people hold on to even more?

[Untimely Friction]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

As it is most think it's stupid to make people hold on to credits to play songs. Why would we make people hold on to even more?

Everyone seemed to be complaining about the inflation issue, so I thought aside from purchases I'd make a joke, while also pointing out something that would make double credits a non-factor while still appeasing the main request of the thread. In the end you COULD do exactly as the title asks, while making it irrelevant... which was the joke. People take me too seriously, I thought this was FFR

[Mourningfall]

Maybe people should just play more if they want more credits.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Untimely Friction

Everyone seemed to be complaining about the inflation issue, so I thought aside from purchases I'd make a joke, while also pointing out something that would make double credits a non-factor while still appeasing the main request of the thread. In the end you COULD do exactly as the title asks, while making it irrelevant... which was the joke. People take me too seriously, I thought this was FFR

I don't see how it makes it a non factor when the credits would still be in the system since people would have to hold them to play the songs. It doesn't take anything out of the system.

[Untimely Friction]

Why does anything need to be taken out, if mathematically nothings changed? People would naturally enjoy having more credits, more chances to lose them all on, the gambling hall, and as mentioned before the larger pools in Tournaments which would naturally draw larger crowds... It'll take up maybe 1 more byte of data in your database per active users per decimal increased, this is obviously not a large enough hassle on the server to slow or halt it, and would in no way affect the space dollar economy, so I do not see the harm, but rather present benefits. (P.s. yes we are now having an intellectual discussion on space-bucks, please present more reasons why you feel bigger numbers are bad, it's worked for MMOs... We're just working more toward Keysmashing endgame .)

[psychoangel691]

When the system is flooded with credits they hold no value. Before gambling hall started removing some from the system the number was absolutely ridiculous. There are people with over a million credits they're sitting on, what good does that do anyone? How are they going to be enticed by the credit prizes offered by events when they have more than they can do anything with? Has nothing to do with the database, server, any of that. It has to do with having no value. We shouldn't have to have some super huge credit pot as a prize for events. Plus there's no reward for the credits when people have that many. What are people going to get with them when they have so many?

[Untimely Friction]

Then naturally incentize people to hold more, yes there were tons before and those of us holding tons asked "So why is nothing else coming?" The shop can be expanded with releases that come in, more secret songs, theres much to do that's been neglected, and all of my previous points still stand, I am not convinced to the reason more can't come in. The possibilities are huge, and noting the credit sink that is the gambling hall, as more come in, more will go out, at again the exact same rate mathematically.

[TC_Halogen]

It really comes down to this:

Originally Posted by Mourningfall

Maybe people should just play more if they want more credits.

This isn't inclusive to just the game itself, but people need to participate in more site-wide events if they want credits. In my opinion, you shouldn't be entitled to a larger sum of credits you don't even bother to work for it. Some people grind the game to get credits, and others participate in official or user-run events. Doubling the credit counts doesn't help anything -- it floods an already destroyed FFR economy because there is absolutely nothing to use the credits on. Users have to hoard credits for secret songs as it is, which is preventing any sort of true credit sink from being truly effective on its own. There are many users with millions of credits that they built up through tournament winnings, or other events, and I personally a 2x credit event shouldn't be used to circumvent hard work or good social activity on the site.

Adding a huge amount of purchased songs doesn't solve anything either because it's just more songs that aren't accessible by newer players. In order to truly create a credit sink, you have to have something that users WANT to spend their credits on, not something they need to.

[Untimely Friction]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

It really comes down to this:


This isn't inclusive to just the game itself, but people need to participate in more site-wide events if they want credits. In my opinion, you shouldn't be entitled to a larger sum of credits you don't even bother to work for it. Some people grind the game to get credits, and others participate in official or user-run events. Doubling the credit counts doesn't help anything -- it floods an already destroyed FFR economy because there is absolutely nothing to use the credits on. Users have to hoard credits for secret songs as it is, which is preventing any sort of true credit sink from being truly effective on its own. There are many users with millions of credits that they built up through tournament winnings, or other events, and I personally a 2x credit event shouldn't be used to circumvent hard work or good social activity on the site.

I'm talking about the possibility for content expansion. Obviously that's the main goal of administration right now, and content does that. I'm obviously not talking about PERMANENT double, but perhaps the ideas people said before, random weekends or events. Regardless I'm now trying to make apparent the possibility for expansion of population, and the expansion of content. R^3 is not complete and as such theres much that can be done with it.

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Adding a huge amount of purchased songs doesn't solve anything either because it's just more songs that aren't accessible by newer players. In order to truly create a credit sink, you have to have something that users WANT to spend their credits on, not something they need to.

You mean exactly as it is now? Those of us broke don't have access, and those of us with plenty are not being rewarded for it, which is very possible. Again, think of it mathematically.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Untimely Friction

Then naturally incentize people to hold more, yes there were tons before and those of us holding tons asked "So why is nothing else coming?" The shop can be expanded with releases that come in, more secret songs, theres much to do that's been neglected, and all of my previous points still stand, I am not convinced to the reason more can't come in. The possibilities are huge, and noting the credit sink that is the gambling hall, as more come in, more will go out, at again the exact same rate mathematically.

The gambling hall is barely being touched anymore. It was a novelty for about a week then died. Purchased songs and secret songs do get added but not super frequently because guess what? There are newer people that join up and are then facing ridiculous credit amounts in order to gain all the songs. As is the previous credit cap of 40 was lifted, there's no reason to add double credits on top of it.

[TC_Halogen]

I never said permanent -- if you read my post, I clearly said "a 2x credit event". I'm against the idea in general.

Also, you can reference the state of Purchased songs now, but adding more songs doesn't help solve the problem. It requires well over 150,000 credits to obtain every secret song, on top of the 150,000 that you need to have all of the secret songs. 300,000 credits is a huge amount, and should either be a LOT of hard work, or some hard work along with some participation in sitewide events.

I really don't know how to explain it anymore explicitly than this: a 2x credit event really isn't necessary. I'd like to second Rushy's post and just say "no". There's really no point arguing about it.

[Untimely Friction]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

The gambling hall is barely being touched anymore. It was a novelty for about a week then died. Purchased songs and secret songs do get added but not super frequently because guess what? There are newer people that join up and are then facing ridiculous credit amounts in order to gain all the songs. As is the previous credit cap of 40 was lifted, there's no reason to add double credits on top of it.

At last an answer I am satisfied with, thank you, however if you're able please touch on the other things I posted about (If you don't have time, don't but please notify me, I don't wanna eat your time, but I, and I'm sure some silent observers would like some answers, and reasoning behind the answers.)

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

I never said permanent -- if you read my post, I clearly said "a 2x credit event". I'm against the idea in general.

I'm sorry I was speaking more broadly and less directly in response, just to re-enforce my previous statements

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Also, you can reference the state of Purchased songs now, but adding more songs doesn't help solve the problem.

Yes it will... more content, and the fact that credits are not a problem at all... I touched on the point of the lack of extra burden on the servers... Please explain more about this problem, I am curious.

[Zageron]

You all know that no matter how many "yes" votes this gets, double credits will not come back because you asked for them to come back.

They were a whim. Thats all.