TWG Turbo XXIII Postgame Thread

the sun fan · 06-5-2018, 12:19 AM

9 players
2 masons
1 mafia role cop (gets full role results and not "pr" or "not pr"
1 vanilla mafia
a setup I just made up

day start
no lynch/kill off
00: good 01: bad
full role cardflips
ootc off
phantoms off
insta on
nighttalk off except for wolves in wolfchat and masons in masonchat
wolfchat and mason chat can be anywhere so long as I have access to it
12 hour day and night phases, in the case of early insta phases will still revolve around midnight server time and noon server time
Both wolves are PMed the role cop's result each time the role cop uses their power

1) Xiz Won at endgame, Vanilla Mafia
2) flashflash_account Killed n2, Mason
3) mellonxcollie Killed n1, Mason
4) DaBackPack Lynched d0, Vanilla Town
5) Hakulyte Killed n3, Vanilla Town
6) Gradiant Lynched d4, Vanilla Town
7) Celirra Lost at Endgame, Vanilla Town
8) Wayward Vagabond Lynched d3, Vanilla Town
9) danceflashrevo Lynched d1, Mafia Role Cop
Replacements
1) T-Force
2) FreezinIce
3)

**Charu** · 06-5-2018, 12:20 AM

Celirra · 06-5-2018, 12:21 AM

Wayward Vagabond · 06-5-2018, 12:24 AM

the sun fan · 06-5-2018, 12:32 AM

MVP to Xiz easily, figured out the masons by the start of n1 and carried the wolfteam to victory.

I talked privately to haku about why claiming mason as vanilla town is pretty much a terrible idea almost all of the time but I want to reiterate it a little bit:

If you know who the mason is and you are town, chances are the wolves also know because they have a role cop that has checked someone and because they have the same interactions that raeko had from the previous phase.

FFA also had Hakulyte as his top wolf so if he sees Hakulyte claiming his role, he's not going to think about whether or not it makes any sense for Hakulyte to claim the role as a wolf, he's just going to snap CC and argue for lynching Haku (which I believe is the correct response to your top wolf claiming your role in that situation).

It didn't really unite the town around anything more than a much better alternative would've, as I think the thing that really got the dfr lynch going was Cel's case on him, rather than anything else.

Even trying to get value where its hard to get doesn't really do much. Lets say the wolves didn't have the role cop result from n1 telling them that ffa was the last mason and lets say that the wolves end that phase unsure of who the last mason is until haku claims, and is uncounterclaimed.

even if ffa lives to the next phase and claims, its still not really that valuable. A mason being alive when there is one wolf left in f5 doesn't really mean much more than no mason being alive in f5. Far more important than that is the reads of the players who are alive at that point as well as the skill of the last wolf.

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Additionally, and I've said this to Celirra already, this is more of a thing that is a little bit dangerous but it really is the kind of thing you can pin on Xiz.

If a weird nightkill happens going into f3, chances are that the guy with the undertitle of "TWG Chaos" made the nightkill.

flashflash account · 06-5-2018, 12:39 AM

lol

I'm impressed

if I had still been alive, I would've flopped my read on wayward because he started doing his snippy thing again where he calls out tiny little bits and spotlights them. Sad that the roleplay read was wrong, happy that the Occam's Razor read is right.
Thought gradiant was the wolf in final 3 until xiz mentioned that both masons were town reading him. Felt super extra and at that point I was unsure again.

Raeko and I talked here, under the "other mafia" tab
https://discord.gg/FhKAKV

**Xiz** · 06-5-2018, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan

If a weird nightkill happens going into f3, chances are that the guy with the undertitle of "TWG Chaos" made the nightkill.

Oops, true dat.

flashflash account · 06-5-2018, 12:51 AM

I'll just copy paste it for the lazy people.

**Hakulyte** · 06-5-2018, 12:52 AM

Well played Xiz !

I don't think I have much to add that wasn't already been said.

Sorry FFA for fake claiming while you had me as a top wolf.

I should have been more careful around that or found a better way around this.

Gotta control these feels better.

**Hakulyte** · 06-5-2018, 12:54 AM

I'm kinda ridiculous, I thought fake claiming mason would make everyone town read me because it's too stupid to be done by a wolf who wants to win.

The only problem is that this doesn't stop a wolf from doing it.

..or I could just get town read by doing something towny.

:thinking:

DaBackpack · 06-5-2018, 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I'm kinda ridiculous, I thought fake claiming mason would make everyone town read me because it's too stupid to be done by a wolf who wants to win.

The only problem is that this doesn't stop a wolf from doing it.

..or I could just get town read by doing something towny.

:thinking:

the best way to be read as towny is to just be yourself

Wayward Vagabond · 06-5-2018, 06:23 AM

Wow raeko I was not playing up the date >: (

flashflash account · 06-5-2018, 09:26 AM

Wen gaem

**Hakulyte** · 06-5-2018, 12:02 PM

Is there a link to wolf chat somewhere ?

**T-Force** · 06-5-2018, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra

first tforce
now xiz

Doctor. :handshake:

**T-Force** · 06-5-2018, 12:08 PM

Also, props for not needing replacements, squad. Seems like its been a while since that happened (although I'm sure I'm wrong as per usual).

**Xiz** · 06-5-2018, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-Force

Also, props for not needing replacements, squad. Seems like its been a while since that happened

FUCKING THIS

Wayward Vagabond · 06-5-2018, 12:33 PM

I need to be replaced

**inDheart** · 06-5-2018, 12:42 PM

i'd fuck that too xiz

was refreshing to see quite the active game

flashflash account · 06-5-2018, 12:51 PM

What happens when you don't lynch the 2 most active players OAT

06-5-2018, 12:19 AM	#1
the sun fan FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2017 Age: 29 Posts: 444	TWG Turbo XXIII Postgame Thread 9 players 2 masons 1 mafia role cop (gets full role results and not "pr" or "not pr" 1 vanilla mafia a setup I just made up day start no lynch/kill off 00: good 01: bad full role cardflips ootc off phantoms off insta on nighttalk off except for wolves in wolfchat and masons in masonchat wolfchat and mason chat can be anywhere so long as I have access to it 12 hour day and night phases, in the case of early insta phases will still revolve around midnight server time and noon server time Both wolves are PMed the role cop's result each time the role cop uses their power 1) Xiz Won at endgame, Vanilla Mafia 2) flashflash_account Killed n2, Mason 3) mellonxcollie Killed n1, Mason 4) DaBackPack Lynched d0, Vanilla Town 5) Hakulyte Killed n3, Vanilla Town 6) Gradiant Lynched d4, Vanilla Town 7) Celirra Lost at Endgame, Vanilla Town 8) Wayward Vagabond Lynched d3, Vanilla Town 9) danceflashrevo Lynched d1, Mafia Role Cop Replacements 1) T-Force 2) FreezinIce 3) __________________ TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing FFR is a pretty good place somehow.

06-5-2018, 12:21 AM	#3
Celirra FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: London, Ontario Age: 27 Posts: 749	Re: TWG Turbo XXIII Postgame Thread __________________ ,, 　,＿, -ｰ'"{ 　゛ヌﾉﾉﾉﾉﾊヾ　ﾉ li.ﾟヮﾟﾉi 彡と} 猫.{つ

06-5-2018, 12:24 AM	#4
Wayward Vagabond Confirmed Heartbreaker Join Date: Jul 2012 Age: 35 Posts: 5,859	Re: TWG Turbo XXIII Postgame Thread __________________

06-5-2018, 12:32 AM	#5
the sun fan FFR Player Join Date: Mar 2017 Age: 29 Posts: 444	Re: TWG Turbo XXIII Postgame Thread MVP to Xiz easily, figured out the masons by the start of n1 and carried the wolfteam to victory. I talked privately to haku about why claiming mason as vanilla town is pretty much a terrible idea almost all of the time but I want to reiterate it a little bit: If you know who the mason is and you are town, chances are the wolves also know because they have a role cop that has checked someone and because they have the same interactions that raeko had from the previous phase. FFA also had Hakulyte as his top wolf so if he sees Hakulyte claiming his role, he's not going to think about whether or not it makes any sense for Hakulyte to claim the role as a wolf, he's just going to snap CC and argue for lynching Haku (which I believe is the correct response to your top wolf claiming your role in that situation). It didn't really unite the town around anything more than a much better alternative would've, as I think the thing that really got the dfr lynch going was Cel's case on him, rather than anything else. Even trying to get value where its hard to get doesn't really do much. Lets say the wolves didn't have the role cop result from n1 telling them that ffa was the last mason and lets say that the wolves end that phase unsure of who the last mason is until haku claims, and is uncounterclaimed. even if ffa lives to the next phase and claims, its still not really that valuable. A mason being alive when there is one wolf left in f5 doesn't really mean much more than no mason being alive in f5. Far more important than that is the reads of the players who are alive at that point as well as the skill of the last wolf. ---------------------------------------------- Additionally, and I've said this to Celirra already, this is more of a thing that is a little bit dangerous but it really is the kind of thing you can pin on Xiz. If a weird nightkill happens going into f3, chances are that the guy with the undertitle of "TWG Chaos" made the nightkill. __________________ TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing FFR is a pretty good place somehow.

06-5-2018, 12:52 AM	#9
Hakulyte the Haku Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 35 Posts: 4,525	Re: TWG Turbo XXIII Postgame Thread Well played Xiz ! I don't think I have much to add that wasn't already been said. Sorry FFA for fake claiming while you had me as a top wolf. I should have been more careful around that or found a better way around this. Gotta control these feels better.

06-5-2018, 12:54 AM	#10
Hakulyte the Haku Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 35 Posts: 4,525	Re: TWG Turbo XXIII Postgame Thread I'm kinda ridiculous, I thought fake claiming mason would make everyone town read me because it's too stupid to be done by a wolf who wants to win. The only problem is that this doesn't stop a wolf from doing it. ..or I could just get town read by doing something towny. :thinking: Last edited by Hakulyte; 06-5-2018 at 01:08 AM..

06-5-2018, 06:23 AM	#12
Wayward Vagabond Confirmed Heartbreaker Join Date: Jul 2012 Age: 35 Posts: 5,859	Re: TWG Turbo XXIII Postgame Thread Wow raeko I was not playing up the date >: ( __________________

06-5-2018, 12:02 PM	#14
Hakulyte the Haku Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 35 Posts: 4,525	Re: TWG Turbo XXIII Postgame Thread Is there a link to wolf chat somewhere ?

06-5-2018, 12:08 PM	#16
T-Force Your world ends with you Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Somewhere in, B.C., Canada Age: 32 Posts: 4,737	Re: TWG Turbo XXIII Postgame Thread Also, props for not needing replacements, squad. Seems like its been a while since that happened (although I'm sure I'm wrong as per usual).

06-5-2018, 12:33 PM	#18
Wayward Vagabond Confirmed Heartbreaker Join Date: Jul 2012 Age: 35 Posts: 5,859	Re: TWG Turbo XXIII Postgame Thread I need to be replaced __________________

06-5-2018, 12:42 PM	#19
inDheart Picker @ JAX2 Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 505	Re: TWG Turbo XXIII Postgame Thread i'd fuck that too xiz was refreshing to see quite the active game

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