So I went to church tonight....

[dandandamdandan1111]

Okay, I just sinned. And it went everywhere. So what? What would that have to do with believing in Jesus or accepting Jesus. NOTHING! I'm not insulting any religion, but I'm just saying that you shouldn't have a set of rules or guidelines on how to live your life, or how to be a part of your religion. You don't really need to physically go to a place to worship, but rather mentally go to a place of worship. Church should be a place to gather, discuss, and make friends with people of your own religion, and not to tell you what not to do with your life. And so, I think that if you do believe in a god, dont go to church to hear stories about your god, but to discuss what you believe in.

[ryanisadouche]

Originally Posted by eastsideman09

You'd probably laugh at something the video I watched explained. The people who tell others and believe that as long as you accept Jesus as your savior, you're going to heaven. As long as you say you're christian, you're in. Well, this dude on the video says that's wrong, and that you need to do more than just say it. Earn your way into heaven, not continue "sinning". Those "christians" are going to Hell, if the video is to be believed :P.

John 3:16-17,
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved!"

Oh i guess he's right and the bibles wrong then. But wait there's literally thousands of contradictions in the bible. hmm

[Jokee]

Originally Posted by eastsideman09

I think I can kind of relate to this. When I was young, I went every Sunday and hated it cuz I hated waking up early. And I stopped going when my parents divorced too. When my mom moved us to Rhode Island, we never got active in a church. When we moved back, it was like "yeah whatever" for everyone. My mom has started to go regularly on Saturdays now though...




as in played instruments? guitar, drums, keyboard. not just hymns, and choir n stuff

Yeah, as in played instruments, guitar, bass, drum, violin and accordion (depending on the band).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y150Lm4kZ_M

[Sullyman2007]

The bible can be interpreted so many different ways, many people even of the same religion have their own personal beliefs about specific passages, such as the one you just posted. No one can say if the bible is written wrong. No one can say if it is written right. You can chose to believe whatever you want, but do go shouting UR RONG to everyone who doesn't agree with you.

Also this thread wasn't even about that. It was about people who have/do attend church and their experience while/when attending church. Not how to interpret the bible.

[dore]

Originally Posted by ryanisadouche

John 3:16-17,
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved!"

Oh i guess he's right and the bibles wrong then. But wait there's literally thousands of contradictions in the bible. hmm

That's a pretty crappy interpretation though, because "believeth" implies following God's guidelines (as set forth in the Bible), not just in acknowledging his existence. You have to consider the connotations of the time when interpreting a document like the Bible in trying to consider its modern relevance.

but im not christian so what do i know

[ryanisadouche]

Just for fun, i googled "are you going to heaven"?

followed the first link "FOLLOW THESE 3 EASY STEPS TO GO TO HEAVEN!"

1) watch the free video right now
2) ask yourself if you think your going to heaven when you die!
3) pay $24.99 to get the dvd too share with your friends!!!!


Hmmm something tells me that it did not cost $24.99 to crank out that crappy little disc. Wait, does that mean people are PROFITING off of RELIGION?! Who would have thought!



edit at above: I'm not trying to just say YOUR WRONG to everyone, i'm encouraging doing some critical thinking for yourself if you happen to be religious. I know i personally never did, because i thought "If i'm questioning my own faith, doesn't that mean i don't fully believe? So now I'm going to hell?!"

It's a nice catch-22 that makes you never think about the "what if I'm wrong" scenario.

[flipsta_lombax]

Trust me sully, when people wants to point out someone is wrong about what they believe in, they won't hesitate to prove you wrong.

And dandan, you are treating religion as if it is a government, lol!

EDIT: Seriously ryan, your arguments are very childish.

[Sullyman2007]

That is nothing more than 21st century advertising. I doubt they are affiliated with any church in any way.

[eastsideman09]

Originally Posted by ryanisadouche

John 3:16-17,
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved!"

Oh i guess he's right and the bibles wrong then. But wait there's literally thousands of contradictions in the bible. hmm

I haven't even read the bible and I know that it's more than just the denotative meaning. The video went into more depth about it, and I'm sure the bible does too, but I'm not going to defend it since I've not read it, it's not a book I base my beliefs on, and I'm sure you don't give a **** either way.


In the case of contradiction and logic and blahblahblah.... In short, I believe God exists beyond logic- beyond what we can humanly comprehend. After our body dies, our spirit grows... we become a better being, our capacity of knowledge is greater, and our universal understanding expands. I basically see it like this: trying to make "sense" of God is like trying to fit a watermelon through a funnel.... trying to fit something so immense into such a small capacity of understanding.

I'm gonna stop now because before I even post it, I don't think you care.

[MystictheHedgehog]

Ok Ryan, you don't think there are people who use religion as an excuse to make money? You're pretty close minded to think every single church is like that.

Personally, every church I've been to doesn't sit at the doors and not allow you to leave unless you sit there and give 10% of your income, which they happen to have a copy of on a sheet of paper with your name, address, social security number, how many times you've been to church in the past year, and how much you are supposed to give. Your supposed to tithe, yes. But it isn't forced. You'll hear a sermon about it every now and then yes, but that's it.

[dore]

A lot of people confuse "church" with "what the Catholic church used to do and some branches of still do," because that happens to be the most convenient anti-Christian misinformation that they can spew.

EDIT Also ESM your interpretation is pretty close to mine lol

[Gibson63]

religion is bull**** ,and its the biggest rip-off on the planet.

Ryan is 100 % correct.

[ryanisadouche]

Just do yourself a little bit of research. Religion literally brings in BILLIONS of COMPLETELY, UN-TAXED DOLLARS each year. Billions. Put 2 and 2 together.

[Sullyman2007]

Originally Posted by ryanisadouche

Just do yourself a little bit of research. Religion literally brings in BILLIONS of COMPLETELY, UN-TAXED DOLLARS each year. Billions. Put 2 and 2 together.

Please link me to where you read that. Then I might consider thinking about considering the possibility that the pile of words you just laid upon this thread are anything close to remotely correct.

[arrekusuof93]

Originally Posted by ryanisadouche

Just do yourself a little bit of research. Religion literally brings in BILLIONS of COMPLETELY, UN-TAXED DOLLARS each year. Billions. Put 2 and 2 together.

Ryan, creating a generalization and applying it to all forms of religion is a very bad argument. Yes, some religious groups or churches are scams and the people behind them are looking for money. This, however, doesn't give you the right to declare every form and denomination of religion to be a scam.

[dore]

for ryan

[eastsideman09]

Originally Posted by ryanisadouche

do yourself a little bit of research

Originally Posted by ryanisadouche

i googled

research

[Gigispackles]

I'm atheist; all there is to it.

Only problem I have is that my mom is very religious.
She even considers Pokemon and Bowser demonic!!

[ryanisadouche]

http://blogs.theage.com.au/business/...06p042-046.pdf

just a random link

Anyways, lets go over some fun fast facts quick.

(1) An UNKNOWN BUT LARGE amount of untaxed money is brought in by religion
(2) Wars have been fought with religion playing a large role in it. If God created us, why would he ever want us to kill each other?
(3) Nearly everyone religion states that OTHER RELIGIONS ARE WRONG. So which one is right? They can't all be. But logically this means the majority of everyone is wrong!

If you ignore everything else i right, read this. I challenge one person to answer me the following loophole.

Okay so Christianity states that God loves us all, and that we will go to heaven if we only choose to believe. In fact thats the ONLY way to go to heaven, we MUST believe.

So what if 3 year old child is killed in an accident? Having not yet reached an age where he is capable of making the decision to believe in God or not, does this mean he goes to hell? He spends 3 insignificant years on earth and now he's going to burn in hell for more then 100000000000000000000 years? Infinitys pretty long.

More realisticly, what about people born across the globe, in third-world countries? Millions of these people simply will not have the chance to ever be exposed to christanity. Its not part of their inherent culture, many people simply don't know what it is. This means they're all going to hell? I thought God loved them? He didn't even give them a choice! They simply were not born under circumstances where Christanity was ever exposed to them, so how should they know better? This doesn't make them bad people.


An interesting theory i've heard is that there is one God, that goes by many names. Jesus, Buddha, Allah, just different languages and interpretations. I personally still don't believe it, but at least now there's some logic going on.

[Sullyman2007]

Wars have been fought with religion playing a large role in it. If God created us, why would he ever want us to kill each other?

You are one of the most ignorant people I have seen post on this website in a long time.