TWG XCV: Nobody messes with the frog, see

[AC1speakerbox]

I don't really see the logic in that, which is why I've been assuming it can't be the case. If two people try to kill each other then no kill occurs?

[Viccica]

As of right now, AC1 I feel is most likely to be a wolf. He's been big on sitting on the fence until others have cast the first stone, where he places weak assertions himself to make it seem like he's contributing.

SK I feel could be V. I anticipate that your initial interest was to seem human and helpful. I have you cleared as a wolf because I don't believe you would kill Manti. Of course the obvious alternative is that you vigi'd Jayde, which I'm not sure you would have done because they were actively promoting discussion and you typically care more about game quality and activity than anyone else.

Alternatively I would consider Meno to be a possibility based on James May. James May was suspicious to me early on in a way which I was not sure to identify. He seemed protective and defensive, which to me is indicative of something you'd want to hide. Really that is down to wolves, blues and the sk. Wolf is out because I think both TPS and Dance were in favor of killing him at one point for not much reason, and blues are obviously out.

[Viccica]

And the order in question is not two kills, Ac. It's a kill and a roleblock.

Am I correct in assuming there can be no more than 1 wolf and so, if it's between two people the one who is roleblocked is cleared? That clears me for both being a wolf and being the sk, no?

[Viccica]

So you have 2 people in a pool of 4 to choose from, which would be Ac1, Meno, V and Zoshi.

[Viccica]

Oh and Freaky. But I'm fairly confident in Freaky's humanity at this point.

[AC1speakerbox]

Originally Posted by Viccica

As of right now, AC1 I feel is most likely to be a wolf. He's been big on sitting on the fence until others have cast the first stone, where he places weak assertions himself to make it seem like he's contributing.

According to you, I've been trying super hard not to make anybody mad. I dove headfirst into a crusade to lynch the most vengeful player in the game with assertions that I believed and other players called logical.

According to you, I've waited for others to cast the first stone.
I brought pressure back to yoman in the intermediate part of d1 and at the beginning of d2 because that was what I really believed in. Incorrect read or not, everyone else seemed to agree.

You're so full of shit right now.

[Vendetta21]

I was going to make a push for zoshi because I felt it had Bayesian superiority but AC1 is actin such a fool

Lol the tempo of everyone else in this thread is calm because it is clear that we have a lot of time, and AC1's tone is frenetic, clinging to a bad conviction, and pushing in what is clearly the wrong direction.

His entrance into this phase wasted no time in setting up a lynch or lose scenario.

We also have a trend that incriminates AC1 moreso than anyone else in kills: Dark Manticore and TPS. The veteran-killer strategy is something I have used before in attempts to make lies more convincing late game through force of words.

TPS was building suspicion around Manti and leaving Jayde alone, indicating a SK of Manti. I know TPS was leading his team.

All of this points to a mindset somewhere in the range of fragile ego, or, in other words, AC1's confidence in his ability to be a successful serial killer.

[AC1speakerbox]

Two pretty good reasons I cannot be the serial killer (in my humble opinion):

-Made strong assertions against the most vengeful player in the game, the opposite of laying low, on day 1

-There's no way I would kill TPS when he was strongly under suspicion. The chance of him being a wolf at that point gives the person gunning for me (freaky) a reason to reference his d2 theory of TPS being connected to me

[AC1speakerbox]

@fojar: since the matter of night action order is a game rules thing, shouldn't that be public?

[Vendetta21]

Neither of those reasons are anywhere near the strength of evidence against you. Pretty sure we are going to kill you. Waiting for jrodd to give the word.

But keep clawing your way out of this sinkhole, it makes the flip so much more satisfying.

[AC1speakerbox]

Can you remind me of the evidence other than the exhibitionism bit, which I'll admit is valid. I hope you aren't talking about what Viccica's said.

[j-rodd123]

yeah, it just all points to you. starting this phase ac1 / vic were my top priority, and now that vic is cleared

ac1

[AC1speakerbox]

Can we please wait for fojar?

[freakysnots]

It doesn't make sense that Zoshi would get that many votes (note: danceguy, tps in day 1 and 2)

Originally Posted by freakysnots

How about you explain why you simply cannot be wolves with Tps. Try that instead.

Ac1 needs to answer this instead of explaining what role he isn't.

[j-rodd123]

actually unvote, just briefly, i need something to be thought through

it is confirmed there are only 3 villagers based on role distribution right?

[freakysnots]

No. Everyone is a villager except for you.

[j-rodd123]

oh idk how i went this long with such a big misunderstanding in the game structure.

[AC1speakerbox]

It's a pretty unanswerable question. I had a human read on him d1 and wasn't active late d2 when he was doing most of his posting.

[j-rodd123]

ac1

[AC1speakerbox]

So I guess that's a no.