TWG 204 - Forest Feast POST-GAME THREAD

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

rolling wolf twice in a row is annoying

trying to play lying game with your husband is annoying

I'm scared when I roll wolf and you roll town
that's why I am submitting a setup and hoping I host

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

had it not been less than an hour to EOD, I would have ended it right away. tonight was a weird night for me, and I wasn't expecting to be out when someone would have to be modkilled. major props to T-Force for helping me out. it definitely felt a lot less stressful to know that he was around to help

I mean if you had IRL stuff that just made it easier to let it ride out then that's understandable but if the main factor was the time left, I dunno I guess all I have to say is I disagree hard

If abled, games should end when win condition are met. The standard wincons always include or nothing can prevent this from happening after all.

Well, that's my two cents anyway as someone who wasn't even playing

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by roundbox

I'm scared when I roll wolf and you roll town
that's why I am submitting a setup and hoping I host

999% of the reason i don't want to rerun is bc i want to play your game, ngl

[roundbox]

modkills are always stinky
as someone who has made a number of modkills, they never feel right
I don't think there's anything to worry about

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

999% of the reason i don't want to rerun is bc i want to play your game, ngl

good percentage choice

[bugkid666]

MVP is roundbox for making a Zero Escape reference about termites that me and Force were literally going to do during EOD 0

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

MVP is roundbox for making a Zero Escape reference about termites that me and Force were literally going to do during EOD 0

what do you know about ice-9?
what are your thoughts on Locke's socks?
you ever play the stock market?

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

rolling wolf twice in a row is annoying

trying to play lying game with your husband is annoying

you fooled him last time!!

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I mean if you had IRL stuff that just made it easier to let it ride out then that's understandable but if the main factor was the time left, I dunno I guess all I have to say is I disagree hard

If abled, games should end when win condition are met. The standard wincons always include or nothing can prevent this from happening after all.

Well, that's my two cents anyway as someone who wasn't even playing

it becomes possible to angleshoot whether someone is town or mafia before they're supposed to know that

ideally, modkills shouldn't happen, but we all know reality differs from the ideal

modkills should take the place of the daykill, otherwise wolves are (on average) heavily disadvantaged since town essentially gets a free kill

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Charu

YEAH!

Oh, and uh... I would've kept spraying Shadow indefinitely btw

OH, please don't stop birdy boy, I'm here for it :P

[Shadow_God_10]

I am so fucking sad I had to drop out of this. Good job town!

[thesunfan]

we have to go to game voting rather than rerun this game, I think
this game was played to completion, so as bad of a taste as it might leave in some mouths, I do think the next round of host voting should begin

[ShadoWolfe]

aight maggots, you heard the man. send your games to bug and you might just pupate soon

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

it becomes possible to angleshoot whether someone is town or mafia before they're supposed to know that

I'm not saying they should flip early
All scum where dead and town won, yet the game continued; I'm saying once win conditions are met the game should end

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I'm not saying they should flip early
All scum where dead and town won, yet the game continued; I'm saying once win conditions are met the game should end

ok so in the world where this happens
people know that wayward is town by the game continuing, and know that he's a wolf if it doesn't
don't you see the problem there?

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

ok so in the world where this happens
people know that wayward is town by the game continuing, and know that he's a wolf if it doesn't
don't you see the problem there?

What do you mean in the world this happened it happened

What does it matter if the game ending let's them know he was a wolf the game ended

This is the equivalent of host slow rolling the game: no player could prevent the outcome and no choices mattered. Nothing could prevent wincon, so wincon was met

[MixMasterLar]

I'm sorry if the game continued people would realize he wasn't wolf and vote someone else with that knowledge but like

If he's wolf but the game continued, they would have to make that assumption and vote elsewhere anyway?

It's the same outcome: "congrats you won the game over an hour ago GG"

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

modkills should take the place of the daykill, otherwise wolves are (on average) heavily disadvantaged since town essentially gets a free kill

town gets hurt worse than wolves do when modkills need to happen, but you want to then also punish them further by taking away their lynch for a phase?

except for very few scenarios, modkills benefit wolves more. both the action (thinning town's numbers), and the cause (an inactive player) benefit wolves and hurt town.

as you said, modkills shouldn't have to happen. so assess it with me. they have to happen because of an MIA player. I say MIA because 5 posts over 48 hours is a very low bar to hit, and failing that means you aren't even playing the game.

So if the game is designed for 9 town and 2 wolves, the modkill in most cases forces that to 8 town and 2 wolves, instantly shifting the balance to wolves.

the only "benefit" to town in the whole thing is that the harm of the cause, (the inactive player that is already hurting town and negatively impacting the entire game), does not compound further by allowing the non-player to give wolves a SECOND free town (thereby thinning the town herd by both the inactive player and the subsequent nightkill). Modkilling only counteracts the compounding effect, but the harm to town is already done.

It makes no sense to add further harm by removing the lynch. By that logic, modkills should never ever happen under any circumstance because then, at least, the lynch control isn't stolen from town.

[mellon_collie]

I agree with you Lar, but I think in this specific case since it happened at a time when bug wasn't around that kinda impacted how things went... they ended the game at the time that they were able to

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

I agree with you Lar, but I think in this specific case since it happened at a time when bug wasn't around that kinda impacted how things went... they ended the game at the time that they were able to

this is ultimately the reason, and it makes sense.

and I also agree with Lar here. If the game is over and nothing can stop it, the game is over. There's no benefit to allowing the phase to continue.