9th Official Tournament -- Round 8

[GammaBlaster]

Originally Posted by EzExZeRo7497

on a less serious note, step Spiral Field Velocity instead it's better than Robotomy

Ji and I are already doing that
hi19 and I are doing Intrusion (that reminds me - I gotta send you my file soon hi19)

[hi19hi19]

I'm actually still bothered by the fact nobody has outright told me it's not allowed to reject a file just because you don't like the music.

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

I find MOSAIC.WAV physically uncomfortable to listen to.
So if I become a judge I can just give a well-thought-out file like Sokuseki! Nouchoku Music System a 1/10? Sorry, no little Japanese girls on my watch.

Shouldn't there like, be a rule so that this never happens?
Kind of a shitty feeling as a step artist, to be hesitant to step what I enjoy because a judge doesn't like that genre.

[Toccy]

Originally Posted by GammaBlaster

let me introduce you to a concept called:

~sUbJeCtIvItY~

also static noise sounds different compared to laserguns to me

there's still stuff that pierces my ears (blenders in real life)

Just because I don't understand how it's possible people can like organized noise doesn't mean I don't know what subjectivity is. No need to be condescending. Instead you can just do what hi19 did and explain why he likes it.

[choof]

Originally Posted by Toccy

This is music?

"Music is an art form whose medium is sound and silence. Its common elements are pitch (which governs melody and harmony), rhythm (and its associated concepts tempo, meter, and articulation), dynamics, and the sonic qualities of timbre and texture. The word derives from Greek μουσική (mousike; "art of the Muses").[1]"

regardless of what you like/dislike, you're objectively wrong when assuming it isn't

[Toccy]

Originally Posted by choof

"Music is an art form whose medium is sound and silence. Its common elements are pitch (which governs melody and harmony), rhythm (and its associated concepts tempo, meter, and articulation), dynamics, and the sonic qualities of timbre and texture. The word derives from Greek μουσική (mousike; "art of the Muses").[1]"

regardless of what you like/dislike, you're objectively wrong is assuming it isn't

I never said it wasn't music.

[choof]

on the subject of robotomy, I think it'd be best as a token of some sort, pass vortex with x amount of misses or something to unlock it

that way, you can choose not to play it based on musical preference and still keep your levelranks

[choof]

Originally Posted by Toccy

I never said it wasn't music.

ah you're right, you never explicitly said that but, as people have already noted, you definitely implied it

[rCaliberGX]

Originally Posted by GammaBlaster

Ji and I are already doing that
hi19 and I are doing Intrusion (that reminds me - I gotta send you my file soon hi19)

wow i was already a third into spiral field velocity rofl

[hi19hi19]

Originally Posted by choof

on the subject of robotomy, I think it'd be best as a token of some sort, pass vortex with x amount of misses or something to unlock it

that way, you can choose not to play it based on musical preference and still keep your levelranks

Yeah I envision it would work like that.

On one hand I can see why it was rejected even just on a technical basis, there's definitely some things in the file that I would have docked points for too (like there's a 1-framer jack rofl)
But I love the idea behind the file, that's why I'm so excited to work on it a little.
After a few fixes I'll be sad if it is still rejected on the basis of its genre and nothing else.

[Toccy]

Originally Posted by choof

ah you're right, you never explicitly said that but, as people have already noted, you definitely implied it

Haha, I was just shocked that it is music that people like.

[GammaBlaster]

Originally Posted by Toccy

Just because I don't understand how it's possible people can like organized noise doesn't mean I don't know what subjectivity is. No need to be condescending. Instead you can just do what hi19 did and explain why he likes it.

Originally Posted by GammaBlaster

I have perfect pitch too just sayin' (Robotomy is in G minor for 1st half; D minor for 2nd)

but I enjoy rhythmic and tempo dissection more than anything

that and I've always been to explosive sound effects thanks to video games like Ratchet & Clank and Jazz Jackrabbit

and ever since I was introduced to IDM (first artists were VSnares, Flashbulb and Terminal 11 lel) at the age of 10 I've always enjoyed strange fractured noises at high speeds

in the end it's an acquired taste more than anything (but I still can't stand blenders)

Originally Posted by choof

on the subject of robotomy, I think it'd be best as a token of some sort, pass vortex with x amount of misses or something to unlock it

that way, you can choose not to play it based on musical preference and still keep your levelranks

I've always wanted to see it as a 1mil credit secret file just to relive the days of Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando whoring for the R.Y.N.O II

but a token's still a viable option

[choof]

rev up those friers

[choof]

rev(erend) up those friars

[hi19hi19]

Yo can I just congratulate FFR as a whole on managing to have a reasonably civil discussion about what constitutes music on an internet forum

And outside of the Critical Thinking forum, to boot.
Unheard of, man

[Dynam0]

Sometimes I find people convey their musical preference in an arrogant and defensive way when they like something that not many others do. There is this notion that people have which is something along the lines of, "I possess knowledge of music structure and theory, so I can discern what is going on rhythmically and melodically in this complex composition, therefore my taste in [insert fringe genre] is much more justified than your uninformed taste in mainstream music which I find rather pretentious and verbose." *sips tea*

It's like arguing why an entree at a Michelin restaurant in Paris is superior and more palatable than a pepperoni and cheese pizza from Papa John's. High-brow nonsense.

[Toccy]

Originally Posted by Dynam0

Sometimes I find people convey their musical preference in an arrogant and defensive way when they like something that not many others do. There is this notion that people have which is something along the lines of, "I possess knowledge of music structure and theory, so I can discern what is going on rhythmically and melodically in this complex composition, therefore my taste in [insert fringe genre] is much more justified than your uninformed taste in mainstream music which I find rather pretentious and verbose." *sips tea*

It's like arguing why an entree at a Michelin restaurant in Paris is superior and more palatable than a pepperoni and cheese pizza from Papa John's. High-brow nonsense.

Best post I've ever seen on FFR so far.

[DossarLX ODI]

Originally Posted by Dynam0

Sometimes I find people convey their musical preference in an arrogant and defensive way when they like something that not many others do. There is this notion that people have which is something along the lines of, "I possess knowledge of music structure and theory, so I can discern what is going on rhythmically and melodically in this complex composition, therefore my taste in [insert fringe genre] is much more justified than your uninformed taste in mainstream music which I find rather pretentious and verbose." *sips tea*

Hahahaha oh my god this reminds me of that post where stargroup posted a youtube link to a live performance of people playing on xylophones and he said that it would be boring to the average listener or something. I laughed way too hard

[GammaBlaster]

Originally Posted by Dynam0

I possess knowledge of music structure and theory, so I can discern what is going on rhythmically and melodically in this complex composition

I do this a lot :S

Originally Posted by Dynam0

therefore my taste in [insert fringe genre] is much more justified than your uninformed taste in mainstream music which I find rather pretentious and verbose. *sips tea*

not this tho'

oh shit I nearly forgot about this one comment I found on a video mocking dubstep involving mrpreggers Hank Hill

[hi19hi19]

Originally Posted by Dynam0

Sometimes I find people convey their musical preference in an arrogant and defensive way when they like something that not many others do. There is this notion that people have which is something along the lines of, "I possess knowledge of music structure and theory, so I can discern what is going on rhythmically and melodically in this complex composition, therefore my taste in [insert fringe genre] is much more justified than your uninformed taste in mainstream music which I find rather pretentious and verbose." *sips tea*

It's like arguing why an entree at a Michelin restaurant in Paris is superior and more palatable than a pepperoni and cheese pizza from Papa John's. High-brow nonsense.

I really agree with this.

On the other hand, it's important to note why this kind of music exists. It depends entirely what you are seeking.
To use your food analogy, if I am looking for a broad range of flavors, or to find something that I have never tasted before, I am more likely to find that in a high class restaurant in Paris than your local Papa John's. Conversely if I just want a fucking pizza, I'm not going to a Michelin rated restaurant.
That doesn't intrinsically make one more correct than the other, you just have to balance your expectations and your goals with reality.

Music is the same. If I want something familiar and catchy, I'll turn on the radio and listen to Katy Perry. If I'm looking for really complex rhythms and odd time signatures, I'm going to go listen to some flashcore album. That doesn't mean I think I'm "above" someone who doesn't "understand" the genre, it's just what I am seeking at the time. I figure most people are never in the mood to go find a song in 7/16 and listen to it just to challenge their own sense of rhythm. I won't hold that against anyone as long as you don't mind the fact I do enjoy it.

When I am playing a rhythm game, sometimes I am looking for something that challenges me musically beyond just a standard pop song. That's why stuff like Counter Clockwise Chant Pattern is in the game. Same goes for Robotomy.

[DossarLX ODI]

Dubstep is boring to the average 40s to 80s listener. However, most dubstep listeners are appreciative of dubstep as an artistic and musical form.

I am stargroup, and I am not the average listener. I possess knowledge of music structure and theory, so I can discern what is going on rhythmically and melodically in this complex composition. The average 40s to 80s listener cannot fully appreciate "YO SKRILL DROP IT HARD!"