orlando shooting

[hi19hi19]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Well, the problem is that this shit keeps happening at an alarming rate. It's only natural for people to try to posit solutions.

I agree that it's unfortunately a natural response. I'm pointing out it's also frequently actively part of the problem.
Focusing blindly on knee-jerk "solutions" now makes it that much more difficult to change focus to real meaningful solutions once more things are known.

[korny]

Originally Posted by Rojaf

in America this is true now.

go to central African republic, or go back in time (not that far) and be black or lgbt and radical christianity is really the only problem.

Was speaking in global terms and not about the lgbt community specifically.

Originally Posted by choof

radical anything is a threat and more harmful than the non-radical anything else

What's your point? Radical Islam is currently without doubt the most threatening radicalized religion period. Their commitment and capacity to commit jihad on the infidel is unmatched by anything else. It's simply true

[Spenner]

It is so sad that this is a group's ideology of doing good. Disgusting and completely brainwashed.

[Elmerz]

So sorry about your loss Martin :/ .
People are seriously fucked. How could anyone believe that any good could come out of such a horrific act? To top it off the assailant was killed in the act of committing these murders.

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

I agree that it's unfortunately a natural response. I'm pointing out it's also frequently actively part of the problem.
Focusing blindly on knee-jerk "solutions" now makes it that much more difficult to change focus to real meaningful solutions once more things are known.

Yeah, I've stopped participating in most discussions about "solutions" because at this point you can map out everyone's arguments into a big flowchart. It's always the same shit, and no one ever listens to each other anyway.

People generally don't seem to care if their solution actually makes any sense -- as you say, it's all knee-jerk.

[Reach]

And there aren't any simple, one off solutions. If there were, this wouldn't be happening in the first place. It's multifactorial and trying to solve it without an essay isn't going to contribute anything of substance.


With that said the news this morning is reporting that he was a gay club regular and used grindr.

For whatever reason that makes it...even more fucked up for me. He ostensibly hated himself so much that it drove him to this. =/

[sickufully]

My condolences go out to those who lost a friend or loved one. Such a horrible tragedy.

I'm sure most of you have seen this but I feel it's relevant and provides a lighter side to the never-ending gun control argument.

[rushyrulz]

Originally Posted by Elmerz

So sorry about your loss Martin :/ .
People are seriously fucked. How could anyone believe that any good could come out of such a horrific act? To top it off the assailant was killed in the act of committing these murders.

It is in the name of their God. If they die during the attack, it is backed up by their religious ideologies and the promise of eternal life after death. Radical religious groups, as choof said, are the problem here in general; people who are willing to pay the ultimate price to show their reverence to their God(s). Secular societies / secular people live based on the probably correct assumption that there is no afterlife, which means they have no motive to go out and suicide bomb a bunch of people because they know that there won't be a God on the other side to reward them. When is the last time Norway flew an airplane into a building or shot up a night club or bombed a school? Never.

Make the most out of the limited, short amount of time you have to be alive and don't spend it hating people in the name of your God.

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It is absolutely disgusting that people are so convinced that an invisible man in the sky exists and is giving them instructions to kill innocent people, and then they are so convinced that it is divine inspiration that they ACTUALLY FUCKING DO IT.

Horrible.

[rushyrulz]

When in reality, these radical islam groups have been indoctrinated into the "death to America" mindset from practically before they were born. The messages they think they are receiving from Allah are really just a combination of their pre-existing hatred that has been stewed up from childhood, and an insatiable desire to connect with Him to the point where they believe that their own thoughts are divine.

"I really want there to be a God, and I really want him to tell me that my craving to spill innocent American blood all over the pavement reserves me a place in Heaven..." - Radical Islamists, 1983-present.

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

This feels to me like it's a "gun control issue" in the same way 9/11 was an "airplane issue" or the Boston bombing was a "pressure cooker issue"

qfe

[choof]

Originally Posted by korny

What's your point? Radical Islam is currently without doubt the most threatening radicalized religion period. Their commitment and capacity to commit jihad on the infidel is unmatched by anything else. It's simply true

my point is that this is a radicalization issue, not an islamic issue

[choof]

Originally Posted by NinjaSM

As a Bisexual in an arabic muslim country (Kuwait), I can't help but feel shitty and disgusted over this, there are literally people in the al jaazera arabic twitter celebrating, even newspapers here celebrating and it's quite sickening.

I've always felt like I should move somewhere far away from here, and this just further makes me feel that I should move, and fast (Too bad I'm 14 and I am not in the age of moving yet and my parents don't have any plans of moving from Kuwait).

I legit am disgusted.

bruh when you turn 18 move to america and I will make sure you get a good jorb and a place to stay

[Dynam0]

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

When is the last time Norway flew an airplane into a building or shot up a night club or bombed a school? Never

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

People are fucked up all over the place unfortunately

[rushyrulz]

Everybody gets 1 :P

[SKG_Scintill]

@rushy
radical atheists also exist

[j-rodd123]

Yea but radical atheists prolly don't guilt a gay person into murdering 50 people. Radical Islam and prolly mental illness fueled his motives and easy access to ARs and whatever facilitated his massacre. Just my take on it, it's a super complex issue and like reincarnate said it's the same debate every time some tragedy happens and never any change or resolution. And in saying that I am not implying I know what the solution is obviously

[rushyrulz]

Type in "list of radical atheist terrorist attacks" into google and the first result is:
List of Islamist terrorist attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

A quick google search on radical atheism that I did led me to find only one or two major organizations that have performed terrorist acts on religious organizations and a few isolated incidents that the media propagated to be "radical atheism", whereas ISIS/ISIL is an enormous hydra that is in the news almost weekly with a new attack...

I concede that there are radical atheist groups as well as radical religious groups, and that they may not have their heads screwed on straight, but atheist-inspired terror attacks are a drop in the bucket compared to the mile-long wikipedia page dedicated to listing islamist terror.

[SKG_Scintill]

isn't war radical behavior?

[korny]

Originally Posted by choof

my point is that this is a radicalization issue, not an islamic issue

Except it's totally an Islam issue. If hatred and death toward the infidel weren't some of the most intrinsic and eloquently written parts of the Quran I would agree with you, but they are, and while a majority of a religion consisting of 1.6 billion people interpret the scripture differently, a minority consisting of over a hundred million do and are incentivized and undeterred by anything by way of their 72 Virgin wife paradise.

Roughly 3 quarters of the British Muslim population believes the Charlie hebdo cartoonists who were gunned down and killed by radical Muslims for depicting Muhammad blasphemously, should've been given a prison sentence. Almost half believe they should've been put to death. This is in Britain.

[Elmerz]

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

It is in the name of their God. If they die during the attack, it is backed up by their religious ideologies and the promise of eternal life after death.

My point exactly. They got exactly what they wanted with zero punishment.

[SKG_Scintill]

well they died