Are you a bad enough dude to increase FFR's classical library? - Page 2

jyris1 · 06-4-2008, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stargroup100

free converters suck. I've tried a lot of them

and finally how the hell do you convert a midi without a converter, live recording?

Sort of. What I do is open a .WAV recorder and record the audio output from the MIDI instruments. A long time ago, when I had a digital piano/dedicated synth module, I routed the audio-out from the piano/synth into the audio in of the sound card, and recorded a .WAV while the MIDI played using the piano/synth.

Now, I dont have any dedicated midi hardware except my sound card (audigy 2 ZS) but the soundfonts capability of the ZS is good-- for example, the piano soundfont I have sounds virtually real. To record MIDI from a sound card like the ZS, set the audigy mixer to record the MIDI output or the "What You Hear". Then use a WAV recorder and record while the MIDI plays.

**dean_machine** · 06-5-2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sleeplessdragn

Haha, I did a really ****ty conversion though, wasn't paying too much mind. If something like this, with better quality, is needed than I wouldn't mind making a few more.

Oh, I only listened to like a few seconds of it. Yeah, I like my purchase better.

**Mr.Nothing** · 06-5-2008, 01:46 AM

Someone give me an easy way to calculate BPM and i'm on it like white on rice.

Arch0wl · 06-5-2008, 02:20 AM

If anyone's feeling particularly generous...

(most of these sites don't allow direct linking so I have to link the directory and provide find instructions)

Bach

link provided above - CTRL+F "Violin Concerto in E maj (BWV 1042, 1st Mov’t.)"
http://www.imeem.com/jdt/music/e3ZRE...n_a_minor_bwv/
(difficult to remaster I would assume)

link provided above - CTRL+F "Badinerie from Orchestral Suite No.2 in Bmin. (BWV1067)"
http://www.imeem.com/people/Y6Dg4Vg/...2_in_b_minorm/

http://www.kt.rim.or.jp/~moclin/data/li_campa.mid
http://www.imeem.com/classicalpiano/...la_campanella/

Rachmaninoff

link provided above - CTRL+F "3.Finale (Alla breve)"
http://www.imeem.com/jdt/music/lAtkO...concerto_no_3/
(would be insanely difficult to both remaster and step)

and if you're feeling humorous, http://kunstderfuge.com/alkan.htm
(would be more fun to remaster according to the way the MIDI sounds than the way people usually play it, hahaha)

CTRL+F

"Souvenirs. Trois morceaux dans le genre pathétique, dédiés à Liszt, op. 15 (1837)" "Le vent"

"1. la, Comme le vent"

"Le Chemin de Fer, op. 27 (1844)"

**hi19hi19** · 06-5-2008, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jyris1

virtually real

My head exploded.

**sleeplessdragn** · 06-5-2008, 07:38 AM

Arch0wl · 06-5-2008, 07:44 AM

Just a warning: remastering Alkan is opening a simfile Pandora's box similar to getting blanket DJ Sharpnel permissions. His collective FGO potential is so great that you may never see the end of the request tidalwave you'll receive. :X

(edit: With that said I would enjoy stepping any of the Alkan links I gave you so if you're ever feeling particularly generous I'm just saying)

**sleeplessdragn** · 06-5-2008, 07:47 AM

Quick note: I tried to gather the midi for Bach's BWV 1042 and ended up with a broken link or bad file. I think something similar happened with another one of the links. I also couldn't find those midis listed on the site.

?_?

EDIT: I'm pretty sure I can whip out alkan_trois_morceaux_2_15_(c)yogore.mid, with its listed BPM changes, pretty easily. The 480 division is going to give me problems if the events don't land on a multiple of the 1/96th beat, as well as providing general math hell.

Arch0wl · 06-5-2008, 07:59 AM

I fixed my post so you can access the MIDIs from their original directories.

**All_That_Chaz** · 06-5-2008, 08:30 AM

I know that Hammy is stepping the third movement of Barber's Great American Symphony with Hillary Hahn playing the solo which I showed him. I was just going to leave it as a fun file in SM but if it could be in FFR that would be great and I definitely agree that the classical library needs a boost.

I don't know how the permission for that would work since it's a Sony recording that was made less than 20 years ago. Would I need Ms. Hahn's permission, the orchestra's permission, Sony's permission, or some combination thereof for the song to be put in FFR?

Arch0wl · 06-5-2008, 09:18 AM

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I would love some feedback on how it sounds. I already fixed a volume problem.

Absolutely amazing for someone that did this in one day. My main three issues are 1) I think you used too much reverb (the echo is extremely apparent), 2) initial rubato/slowdown is stilted, I think, and might work better with it removed 3) the sounds run together and create a kind of muddy sound that happens when you say something too close to a microphone.

Even still, this is great. I would step this even with no changes made to it.

**25thhour** · 06-5-2008, 09:46 AM

Thats awesome it would be good for FFR. We also NEED more classical they own.

jyris1 · 06-5-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Arch0wl

Absolutely amazing for someone that did this in one day. My main three issues are 1) I think you used too much reverb (the echo is extremely apparent), 2) initial rubato/slowdown is stilted, I think, and might work better with it removed 3) the sounds run together and create a kind of muddy sound that happens when you say something too close to a microphone...

Agreed. The sound is very nice overall though. sleepless - Have you stepped it yet?

**sleeplessdragn** · 06-5-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Arch0wl

Absolutely amazing for someone that did this in one day. My main three issues are 1) I think you used too much reverb (the echo is extremely apparent), 2) initial rubato/slowdown is stilted, I think, and might work better with it removed 3) the sounds run together and create a kind of muddy sound that happens when you say something too close to a microphone.

Even still, this is great. I would step this even with no changes made to it.

I'm glad to hear that. Since I directly input tempo changes based on what was coded into the MIDI itself, the stilt that you hear in the beginning is as far as I know the way the MIDI was meant to be played, but I'll remove it. I'll also take out the delay plugin and turn down the verb in general. The muddy sound is an interesting problem though; since I believe this soundfont is an actual Steinway that was recorded into banks, what's happening is that since the notes are triggering so closely to each other, you ARE in fact probably hearing the feedback of recording the notes from the real piano through a mic. The only thing I can do is reduce the volume that those notes are triggering; messing with the EQ seems to very quickly destroy the natural image of the piano sound. I'll apply some fixes and update this post later, probably with one of the Alkans as well.

As for now, having stayed up all night doing that and despite my name, I need to ****ing sleep.

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Originally Posted by jyris1

Agreed. The sound is very nice overall though. sleepless - Have you stepped it yet?

Haha, I try to leave the stepping to the ones who are good at stepping. ^_^

Ice wolf · 06-5-2008, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by sleeplessdragn

link----->LA CAMPANELLA<----

I would love some feedback on how it sounds. I already fixed a volume problem.

The only problems I had with it were the ritardandos near the beginning and the end. I have not ever looked at the sheet music, but I have never heard it played that way. Other than that, there was way too much echo.

Overall it was amazing. Good job.

**Frozen Beat** · 06-5-2008, 02:27 PM

No I'm not...but others are.

**sleeplessdragn** · 06-5-2008, 06:00 PM

Link updated:

LA CAMPANELLA

I'm going to get some food and start working on that other conversion. THEN WATCH SOME LAKER SLAUGHTER.

**stargroup100** · 06-5-2008, 06:01 PM

maybe we're looking at this the wrong way

maybe people should get better at syncing

another interesting idea is setting up a metronome to headphones and playing the piano along that. that way, you keep relatively in time and still have good quality sounds

jyris1 · 06-5-2008, 07:14 PM

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maybe people should get better at syncing

Maybe. It was mentioned before that classical is very difficult to sync, even with DDReam. True, but at least DDReam made what used to be darn-near impossible, quite doable. I have synced/tested many classical songs using DDReam, and I'm positive that syncing can be done many times faster and with a greater degree of precision than pure-sync by ear.

If anyone needs tips on how to use the program to sync classical, let me know.

**sleeplessdragn** · 06-6-2008, 04:00 AM

Eh, should sound a lot better now.

06-5-2008, 01:46 AM	#23
Mr.Nothing R.I.P. Steve <3 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tampa, Fl Age: 33 Posts: 1,227	Re: Are you a bad enough dude to increase FFR's classical library? Someone give me an easy way to calculate BPM and i'm on it like white on rice. __________________

06-5-2008, 02:20 AM	#24
Arch0wl Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: fb.com/a.macdonald.iv Age: 35 Posts: 6,344	Re: Are you a bad enough dude to increase FFR's classical library? If anyone's feeling particularly generous... (most of these sites don't allow direct linking so I have to link the directory and provide find instructions) Bach link provided above - CTRL+F "Violin Concerto in E maj (BWV 1042, 1st Mov’t.)" http://www.imeem.com/jdt/music/e3ZRE...n_a_minor_bwv/ (difficult to remaster I would assume) link provided above - CTRL+F "Badinerie from Orchestral Suite No.2 in Bmin. (BWV1067)" http://www.imeem.com/people/Y6Dg4Vg/...2_in_b_minorm/ http://www.kt.rim.or.jp/~moclin/data/li_campa.mid http://www.imeem.com/classicalpiano/...la_campanella/ Rachmaninoff link provided above - CTRL+F "3.Finale (Alla breve)" http://www.imeem.com/jdt/music/lAtkO...concerto_no_3/ (would be insanely difficult to both remaster and step) and if you're feeling humorous, http://kunstderfuge.com/alkan.htm (would be more fun to remaster according to the way the MIDI sounds than the way people usually play it, hahaha) CTRL+F "Souvenirs. Trois morceaux dans le genre pathétique, dédiés à Liszt, op. 15 (1837)" "Le vent" "1. la, Comme le vent" "Le Chemin de Fer, op. 27 (1844)" Last edited by Arch0wl; 06-5-2008 at 07:58 AM..

06-5-2008, 07:38 AM	#26
sleeplessdragn ~Bang that beat Harder~ Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,321	Re: Are you a bad enough dude to increase FFR's classical library? So I spent a good deal of tonight getting distracted by midi information. I spent a few hours converting La Campanella, including the listed tempo changes that I got from the midi file provided by the link. The midi came with quantized steps, which was a huge relief. It really is a bitch to manually insert all of the changes, but if anyone is concerned I can confirm that FL Studio should be able to match any midi file's tempo changes on the dot, so long as the division stays within a multiple of 1/96th of a beat. The sequencer just doesn't zoom in beyond that so I was lucky that this midi file had a 48 tick division. I'll update this post later with the mp3, since rendering sondfonts seems to take hours, but I used a very nice sounding Concert Steinway that stayed pretty decent in the high registers. EDIT: So I said ** hq and went with 6-point: link----->LA CAMPANELLA<---- Here's the midi data I pulled from the file to get tempo changes as well. I found it odd that it had tempo changes in measures after the song had ended: Track #0 **************************************** Time Event 1: 1: 0 \|Tempo \| BPM=120 \| micros\quarter=500000 \|Tempo \| BPM=110 \| micros\quarter=545454 4: 1: 0 \|Tempo \| BPM=97 \| micros\quarter=618556 2: 24 \|Tempo \| BPM=82 \| micros\quarter=731707 3: 24 \|Tempo \| BPM=69 \| micros\quarter=869565 5: 1: 0 \|Tempo \| BPM=52 \| micros\quarter=1153846 2: 0 \|Tempo \| BPM=110 \| micros\quarter=545454 60: 1: 0 \|Tempo \| BPM=105 \| micros\quarter=571428 24 \|Tempo \| BPM=101 \| micros\quarter=594059 2: 0 \|Tempo \| BPM=95 \| micros\quarter=631578 24 \|Tempo \| BPM=90 \| micros\quarter=666666 3: 0 \|Tempo \| BPM=84 \| micros\quarter=714285 24 \|Tempo \| BPM=78 \| micros\quarter=769230 61: 1: 0 \|Tempo \| BPM=52 \| micros\quarter=1153846 2: 0 \|Tempo \| BPM=110 \| micros\quarter=545454 96: 1: 42 \|Tempo \| BPM=105 \| micros\quarter=571428 2: 6 \|Tempo \| BPM=78 \| micros\quarter=769230 18 \|Tempo \| BPM=110 \| micros\quarter=545454 105: 1: 30 \|Tempo \| BPM=105 \| micros\quarter=571428 46 \|Tempo \| BPM=95 \| micros\quarter=631578 2: 14 \|Tempo \| BPM=86 \| micros\quarter=697674 22 \|Tempo \| BPM=69 \| micros\quarter=869565 26 \|Tempo \| BPM=60 \| micros\quarter=1000000 30 \|Tempo \| BPM=33 \| micros\quarter=1818181 3: 6 \|Tempo \| BPM=110 \| micros\quarter=545454 128: 1: 30 \|Tempo \| BPM=105 \| micros\quarter=571428 2: 6 \|Tempo \| BPM=101 \| micros\quarter=594059 30 \|Tempo \| BPM=97 \| micros\quarter=618556 3: 6 \|Tempo \| BPM=93 \| micros\quarter=645161 30 \|Tempo \| BPM=90 \| micros\quarter=666666 129: 1: 6 \|Tempo \| BPM=86 \| micros\quarter=697674 18 \|Tempo \| BPM=69 \| micros\quarter=869565 30 \|Tempo \| BPM=90 \| micros\quarter=666666 42 \|Tempo \| BPM=93 \| micros\quarter=645161 2: 6 \|Tempo \| BPM=97 \| micros\quarter=618556 18 \|Tempo \| BPM=101 \| micros\quarter=594059 30 \|Tempo \| BPM=105 \| micros\quarter=571428 42 \|Tempo \| BPM=106 \| micros\quarter=566037 3: 6 \|Tempo \| BPM=110 \| micros\quarter=545454 138: 3: 6 \|Tempo \| BPM=105 \| micros\quarter=571428 30 \|Tempo \| BPM=99 \| micros\quarter=606060 139: 1: 6 \|Tempo \| BPM=95 \| micros\quarter=631578 30 \|Tempo \| BPM=121 \| micros\quarter=495867 \|End of track\| I would love some feedback on how it sounds. I already fixed a volume problem. __________________ Last edited by sleeplessdragn; 06-5-2008 at 08:55 AM..

06-5-2008, 07:44 AM	#27
Arch0wl Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: fb.com/a.macdonald.iv Age: 35 Posts: 6,344	Re: Are you a bad enough dude to increase FFR's classical library? Just a warning: remastering Alkan is opening a simfile Pandora's box similar to getting blanket DJ Sharpnel permissions. His collective FGO potential is so great that you may never see the end of the request tidalwave you'll receive. :X (edit: With that said I would enjoy stepping any of the Alkan links I gave you so if you're ever feeling particularly generous I'm just saying) Last edited by Arch0wl; 06-5-2008 at 07:47 AM..

06-5-2008, 07:47 AM	#28
sleeplessdragn ~Bang that beat Harder~ Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,321	Re: Are you a bad enough dude to increase FFR's classical library? Quick note: I tried to gather the midi for Bach's BWV 1042 and ended up with a broken link or bad file. I think something similar happened with another one of the links. I also couldn't find those midis listed on the site. ?_? EDIT: I'm pretty sure I can whip out alkan_trois_morceaux_2_15_(c)yogore.mid, with its listed BPM changes, pretty easily. The 480 division is going to give me problems if the events don't land on a multiple of the 1/96th beat, as well as providing general math hell. __________________ Last edited by sleeplessdragn; 06-5-2008 at 07:59 AM..

06-5-2008, 07:59 AM	#29
Arch0wl Banned Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: fb.com/a.macdonald.iv Age: 35 Posts: 6,344	Re: Are you a bad enough dude to increase FFR's classical library? I fixed my post so you can access the MIDIs from their original directories. Last edited by Arch0wl; 06-5-2008 at 08:10 AM..

06-5-2008, 09:46 AM	#32
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06-5-2008, 02:27 PM	#36
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06-5-2008, 06:00 PM	#37
sleeplessdragn ~Bang that beat Harder~ Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,321	Re: Are you a bad enough dude to increase FFR's classical library? Link updated: LA CAMPANELLA I'm going to get some food and start working on that other conversion. THEN WATCH SOME LAKER SLAUGHTER. __________________

06-5-2008, 06:01 PM	#38
stargroup100 behanjc & me are <3'ers Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 2,051	Re: Are you a bad enough dude to increase FFR's classical library? maybe we're looking at this the wrong way maybe people should get better at syncing another interesting idea is setting up a metronome to headphones and playing the piano along that. that way, you keep relatively in time and still have good quality sounds __________________ Rhythm Simulation Guide Comments, criticism, suggestions, contributions, etc. are all welcome. Piano Etude Demon Fire sheet music

06-6-2008, 04:00 AM	#40
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