TWG CLXXVII-The Resident Evil Game(mini version)

[blindreper1179]

In the night, Zoshi has died. He was a S.T.A.R.S. member

It is day, and will end at 12:00:01 on may 18th.

[Curry and Rice]

Huh...

[Curry and Rice]

Unless there's some super weird stuff going on and the wolf and third party just so happened to hit the same person, I'm going to take a guess and say that this sets up Olimar as anti-town.

[Curry and Rice]

If there had been three kills in the past, I would say it was possible that either the wolf hit the third party (with one-shot bulletproof) or the third party hit the wolf (also with one-shot bulletproof), but honestly, how likely is that at this point?

[Celirra]

I'm surprised about xel flip but still stick by that he was the right call given what he gave us to go off of

2 things stand out to me:
1) we have a pr that claimed that is still alive
2) wolf and sk stack on zoshi / bulletproof popped

So from here:
1: InD is lock vigi right? Like counter claiming now is probably too late; why didn't he die?
2: assuming 1, with 6 left and one guaranteed town, we had 5 to choose from; for obvious reasons I can clear myself, and I think star is as town as it gets, so from my position it's between Olimar, Curry, and Roundbox (solely poe)

Out of olimar, curry, and roundbox, there's 3 styles and I need to work out which is most scummy:

1) inactive olimar
2) tone on curry
3) poor play on roundbox

Obviously the case on curry is weakest so I'm assuming sk and wolf are between olimar and roundbox

My issue here though is I don't see olimar as either sk or wolf even though he's been useless, based on his d0.

What if it's roundbox wolf and star sk? Am I wrong to clear star so easily? This world actually makes the most sense to me, and I could see how a really strong sk would play equivalent to how a town would with respect to trying to solve.


In other news there's actually a chance this is our last lynch (mislynch -> 2 town deaths -> 1/1/1; or mislynch -> town death -> 2/1/1; I think either of these are game over by town unless the latter involves sk and wolf killing each other at the end)

[star-crossed]

Regarding Xel's hanging, I have a lot of feelings about, but it is probably best I do not share them, other than to say I really felt it was the best lead I felt I had. I feel very much like this is going to come down to luck basically, especially when it comes to finding the serial killer...but I am going to try to read over the entire game chronologically again, to see if I notice different interactions, to at least get a better idea of who is the last mafia. I worry I may be biased against roundbox because he and I are never both here at once, but I will see what I notice.

Originally Posted by inDheart

i have a random comment in the back of my head about star saying funny could have peeked me town and roundbox agreeing with that statement because i don't really get me as a peek from funny's posts

Basically it is the only reason I could think of that she would not have pushed on you more as being a mafia. But I do not know why he agreed with me on it.

Originally Posted by inDheart

now that we know this was wolf partners talking, olimar might be not maf?

like they're literally talking about subverting the night chat only restriction openly in the thread if they're all wolves

this is the worst read

I do not really get this. Even if olimar is not a wolf I feel the core of what you are saying would not change. But I do lean that olimar's reaction of kind of shading ffa, does point against it somewhat.

Originally Posted by Celirra

1) we have a pr that claimed that is still alive
2) wolf and sk stack on zoshi / bulletproof popped

So from here:
1: InD is lock vigi right? Like counter claiming now is probably too late; why didn't he die?

Yes, if someone else is the vigi then they need to claim. But it is not me, and I am guessing if it was not inD someone would have said something by now. I do not really find it weird that inD did not die, because each killer could have assumed that the other one would kill inD.

[Curry and Rice]

Originally Posted by Celirra

What if it's roundbox wolf and star sk? Am I wrong to clear star so easily? This world actually makes the most sense to me, and I could see how a really strong sk would play equivalent to how a town would with respect to trying to solve.

Roundbox I can buy, but Star is pretty much just a paranoia pick. The only way I can see that is if Star decided to carry on the guise of an inactive sk because psycho was inactive, with the additional benefit of framing Olimar, but honestly, I think it would be more beneficial for Star to just kill anyway and pretend like the earlier lack of kills were just flukes. But it would make more sense if it was just Olimar being inactive from the very beginning. His sudden appearance is kind of odd too, but eh. Though, at the same time, Star seeming to double down with posting to try and ensure not being lynched is kind of concerning, in the same kind of strange paranoid gut feeling way.

Originally Posted by star-crossed

So you are pursuing a line of questioning with Haku, and a line of questioning with ffa. With the one with ffa, you seem to be questioning him while also making a lot of effort to present your own thought processes about what his actions seem to be. To me, that looks like you really want people to think you are a town, more than you are concerned about biasing his response to your question by giving him information about how you are perceiving him... I am not sure how to feel about your declaration that it was "probably futile" to try, in light of this. You never followed up to say how you felt about the answer, but did give him a kind of town lean for his read on Cel later, I noticed.

Eh, I disagree, but I think that's more due to the type of player I am.

Originally Posted by star-crossed

What is /your/ memory of his accuracy on reading you in these games? How come you didn't try to pressure him on the subject yourself? How do you reconcile the fact that you kept encouraging others to pressure him, but you seem to also hold the belief that asking him stuff is "futile"? If you know that you are town, what is "convenient" about the thing you are calling out, anyway?

As I recall, there's only one game where I was a wolf since FFA started spouting on about his supposed accurate reads on me, where he "caught" me because he misread a joke post I made. Given that, I don't think there's enough data to decide how accurate he really is, but knowing the type of player he is, I'm pretty sure he's just convinced himself he's accurate when in reality he can't read me better than anyone else because he always tends to act like he knows better than anyone else.

I mean, I already gave an answer as to why.

I don't I seemed to hold that "belief," aside from joking that it was "probably futile." I don't know how many games you've played with FFA before, but if you've played as many with him as I have (we're both from NSM), you'd completely understand what I was getting at here (and I'm sure Olimar can confirm as well).

If you're 100% accurate in games you "care to" remember, you can just "forgot" the games you're inaccurate in (e.g. you can claim that you've never lost a TWG in games you remember if you just forgot the games where you didn't win!). :P I don't think there's anything else to explain (nor any relevancy to that quote) other than that, because, to be honest, you seem like you're digging in to individual word choices way too much to the point where you're ignoring obvious jokes. And now you're making me have to explain my jokes way too deeply which kind of kills the humor...

Originally Posted by star-crossed

It is just strange to me, since as I understand it you are the one who has played with ffa the most, that your own opinion on the matter shines through so much less than your repeated declarations that others need to pressure him. Before, I had mainly looked at the interactions between the two of you as whether they seemed genuine on his end.

As I recall, I also mentioned that because of FFA's repeatedly similar behavior, my tendency is to assign him a "null" read unless there's any additional information to indicate otherwise, because on NSM at least, he has/had a tendency to be a popular Day 1 lynch regardless of role because of his behavior.

Originally Posted by star-crossed

The description of raeko compared to others seems more lukewarm than others, and seems to emphasize raeko as a "past vote" rather than emphasizing what the bad feeling was or why it is less present. I know he later mentioned someone saying she is usually quiet was a factor, but still. She was, however, the only living player he had voted at the time, but given he was OK with so many other lynches in this post I am not sure why having voted her in the past, was especially relevant.

I mean, I already gave an explanation to that.


Covering Page 54 in next post.

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by Curry and Rice

Roundbox I can buy, but Star is pretty much just a paranoia pick. The only way I can see that is if Star decided to carry on the guise of an inactive sk because psycho was inactive, with the additional benefit of framing Olimar, but honestly, I think it would be more beneficial for Star to just kill anyway and pretend like the earlier lack of kills were just flukes.

lmao
there is no way that this is true
I think I was right about the manti blocking celery and curry being the last antitown

Originally Posted by Curry and Rice

As I recall, there's only one game where I was a wolf since FFA started spouting on about his supposed accurate reads on me, where he "caught" me because he misread a joke post I made. Given that, I don't think there's enough data to decide how accurate he really is, but knowing the type of player he is, I'm pretty sure he's just convinced himself he's accurate when in reality he can't read me better than anyone else because he always tends to act like he knows better than anyone else.

yawn
describing self-meta this late into the game is pretty lame and I'm not gonna buy a second of it

[Curry and Rice]

Originally Posted by roundbox

there is no way that this is true

excuse me

what

yawn
describing self-meta this late into the game is pretty lame and I'm not gonna buy a second of it

Star asked, I answered. Do you expect me to ignore questions directed at me just because it's too "late into the game"?

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by Curry and Rice

excuse me

what


Star asked, I answered. Do you expect me to ignore questions directed at me just because it's too "late into the game"?

there's no way star is choosing to not kill this late in the game
you're insane for even entertaining this thought

and no, I don't expect you to ignore questions. I just felt like the answer was fake and pretty blasé

[inDheart]

did not expect to be alive

yes, this scenario is why i claimed yesterday

the night deaths suggest neither faction has found a player with a vest, or if they have, they currently need that person to help continue mowing down the town and it's not exactly working

probably should have just lynched olimar if he's going to hard afk

more later i guess

[star-crossed]

I can't really make sense of what ffa's goal was by voting for Zoshi regardless of Cel's alignment, to be honest.

But having thought about it, I would say that in a Cel/raeko/ffa team, raeko refusing to vote anybody seems very odd to me. Even if she's not going to participate, she may as well look good for helping to hang a mafia, I would think. Plus, other than the unvote, my general vibe was that ffa was very happy with keeping attention on Cel by calling Cel sus; unlike with others, he was not interested in questioning Cel to help Cel provide more thoughts on things besides manti, which could have helped Cel look better at the time, if they were both mafias...he chose to encourage others instead.

inD has given thoughts about this but if others have I do not really remember.

[Olimar12345]

Wow so I’m still alive, huh. Guess I should be reading. Legit surprised I wasn’t lynched by now, since it’s easy to blame someone who isn’t there. I understand the suspicion though (and probs won’t sign up again so that someone will let someone can). I’ll be on more in about an hour so ask me questions and I’ll try to help out then. I’ll leave you with this last thought until I get back: so while the third party suspicion still exists on me (?) I think it’s rather odd that I would also be a lynch candidate today, seeing as how it could cost us the game (If I read that correctly).

[star-crossed]

Originally Posted by Olimar12345

I’ll be on more in about an hour so ask me questions and I’ll try to help out then. I’ll leave you with this last thought until I get back: so while the third party suspicion still exists on me (?) I think it’s rather odd that I would also be a lynch candidate today, seeing as how it could cost us the game (If I read that correctly).

From D0, I was wondering why you thought ffa was being "bad in a townie way" (paraphrased) regarding his supposed suspicions of you as the sk.

Other than that, I do not really have specific questions. I would ask that you try to dedicate your time to trying to figure stuff out rather than continuing to make statements like you did at the end of this post. Imagine if all anybody did today was say that hanging them could cost us the game.

[Olimar12345]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

From D0, I was wondering why you thought ffa was being "bad in a townie way" (paraphrased) regarding his supposed suspicions of you as the sk.

Not really, iirc that comment was directed at his posting style.

Originally Posted by star-crossed

Other than that, I do not really have specific questions. I would ask that you try to dedicate your time to trying to figure stuff out rather than continuing to make statements like you did at the end of this post. Imagine if all anybody did today was say that hanging them could cost us the game.

Sorry, to clarify I meant that it was weird to suspect me of 3P AND ALSO put me up for lynch. Humans don't want to lynch 3P; my point was that you should be either "He's 3P, don't shoot!" or "He's not 3P, shoot/don't shoot!"

[star-crossed]

Well in my eyes, since there is one mafia and one sk left, hanging one is just as good as hanging another. But I have more hope of being able to find the mafia, personally, and will hope to get lucky in finding the sk.

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by Olimar12345

Sorry, to clarify I meant that it was weird to suspect me of 3P AND ALSO put me up for lynch. Humans don't want to lynch 3P; my point was that you should be either "He's 3P, don't shoot!" or "He's not 3P, shoot/don't shoot!"

lynching either antitown is relatively equivalent at this point because it eliminates a faction and its nightkill. just as long as we don't lynch a human. not lynching 3p was more of a thing for the early game when we wanted them to shoot wolves for us

[Celirra]

Originally Posted by Olimar12345

Sorry, to clarify I meant that it was weird to suspect me of 3P AND ALSO put me up for lynch. Humans don't want to lynch 3P; my point was that you should be either "He's 3P, don't shoot!" or "He's not 3P, shoot/don't shoot!"

This was his last post

I would update that post I originally made but given how little he's posted he's actually been only really focused on anything pertaining to sk all game
Either cause he's sk or he's legitimately never seen a sk in his life and such, I'm not sure which but given his early confusion the latter seems most likely?

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by Olimar12345

Wow so I’m still alive, huh. Guess I should be reading. Legit surprised I wasn’t lynched by now, since it’s easy to blame someone who isn’t there. I understand the suspicion though (and probs won’t sign up again so that someone will let someone can). I’ll be on more in about an hour so ask me questions and I’ll try to help out then. I’ll leave you with this last thought until I get back: so while the third party suspicion still exists on me (?) I think it’s rather odd that I would also be a lynch candidate today, seeing as how it could cost us the game (If I read that correctly).

hey, i wanted to know before what you liked in particular about star's case on roundbox, since you declared intent to vote him

also we thought about lynching you yesterday, so there's that

[star-crossed]

I am going through D1 now. It is kind of funny, because I forgot gun had even played in this game until he was being discussed at the start of it

Originally Posted by Curry and Rice

FFA has this thing lately where he's been going on and on about how he keeps insisting that he's always perfectly spot-on about reading me (validated in his mind because of that one time recently when he "caught" me as a wolf by misreading a joke I made). Because he's FFA and it's kind of the way he plays, it makes sense that he'd maintain that sort of bravado regardless of role to keep up a human-seeming facade.

Um...was the game in question the most recent game you played with him? (The timeline is not clear to me, here).

Originally Posted by Curry and Rice

I mean, I've given my thoughts in bits and pieces, but doesn't hurt to say more:

roundbox: Current vote; pleased with the thoughts he's given, but I don't know if he's just trying to save himself or genuinely getting into gear.

raeko: Past vote; still not sure about her, could be a vote in the future if I still have a bad feeling on her.

Xel: Could probably be a wolf? Maybe serial killer? Some things like roundbox's "xel is hottest mislynch 2018 for the 6th game in a row" and inD's "derp clearing xel" give me a little more hesitation but I could still vote for him.

Funny: I'd be ok with this lynch, but don't know if I'd change my vote to support it. idk; would be a helpful cardflip probably i guess and there's a "better than most" chance she's actually a wolf/third party

The description of raeko compared to others seems more lukewarm than others, and seems to emphasize raeko as a "past vote" rather than emphasizing what the bad feeling was or why it is less present. I know he later mentioned someone saying she is usually quiet was a factor, but still. She was, however, the only living player he had voted at the time, but given he was OK with so many other lynches in this post I am not sure why having voted her in the past, was especially relevant.

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

ermmmm I'm kinda cool with olimar but it also freaks me out

I wish I had a lean on this but I honestly do not

Most other posts feel like they follow up on themes I addressed in my d1 post. I...am not sure why rb did not pay more attention to raeko given they know each other well, but when they were wolves together he did make a point of doing so, so it may actually be a good thing??