TWG Turbo XXV: Enemy Zero - Game Thread

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

You not voting read to me like you were keeping your options open

POE says that you are wolfing here. The voting thing is evidence that enforces that world for me

If it wasn't F5 you'd have a point, except it is so you know
wut

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

part of the reason why I'm discounting what you're saying is because you're saying Lar can be a wolf

I don't really think I can believe that anymore

I don't really think you can think it either, but I definitely don't think that you think that Lar can move Cel's vote

1) When you remove the impossible, what remains is the truth

2) My life and the life of this game is on the line, even if it's not likely in hindsight, I'm not going to make that risk

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

1) When you remove the impossible, what remains is the truth

2) My life and the life of this game is on the line, even if it's not likely in hindsight, I'm not going to make that risk

here, this would help me more
why don't you think its celery

[DaBackpack]

This game is more-or-less POE at this point if you believe sunfan and Celery are lock town, so I understand that me using the POE argument is useless because from MML's perspective it's the same.

MML, you and I need to actually build cases on each other in order to win

That's a message to myself as well

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I came into this phase knowing it was going to be an uphill battle for me, that was pretty obvious

blind being outted is good, but not good enough, because there isn't going to be a blind tomorrow

I have to figure this out now because tomorrow is too late

First part just reads as too much desperation for a man coming into a thread where we've already found a wolf. Hell second part does too.

I think I'm convinced we got our wolf team

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

here, this would help me more
why don't you think its celery

Because celery voting on top of you is stupid risk with a very minimal reward if he's a partner with blind

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

First part just reads as too much desperation for a man coming into a thread where we've already found a wolf. Hell second part does too.

I think I'm convinced we got our wolf team

You are right that this is desperation because everyone thinks I'm a wolf

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

This game is more-or-less POE at this point if you believe sunfan and Celery are lock town, so I understand that me using the POE argument is useless because from MML's perspective it's the same.

MML, you and I need to actually build cases on each other in order to win

That's a message to myself as well

OK well my case starts with how desperate you are that we already figured out the wolf team while you where gone and you seemingly trying to make up for lost time

"Tomorrow is too late" yeah because when blind flips red and you don't die tomorrow that kind of makes it super clear I bet tomorrow will be too late

[DaBackpack]

the only reason celery does that is if he thinks it will give him mass town cred, but also if he thinks that nobody else will vote with him.

In hindsight, we know that only you and Celery voted him in a short period. From Celery's perspective, maybe MML would have voted at the exact same time. That would kill blind, a wolf partner, prematurely. He'd get town cred, sure, but Celery doesn't strike me as the kind of person who would take such a massive risk when his partner's life is on the line

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Because celery voting on top of you is stupid risk with a very minimal reward if he's a partner with blind

idk man I don't think its that risky and it could win him the game if you assume that a wolf wouldn't do that

there's really not anything stopping him from doing that as blind's partner, especially if he was reading that there was no way that blind doesn't get lynched this phase

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

idk man I don't think its that risky and it could win him the game if you assume that a wolf wouldn't do that

there's really not anything stopping him from doing that as blind's partner, especially if he was reading that there was no way that blind doesn't get lynched this phase

The matter is that he would have needed to commit himself to blind dying at that very moment

blind is dead now and the remaining wolf is going to distance themselves from him

but that was AFTER Celery voted

at the time of the vote, blind wasn't as lock as he is now

[DaBackpack]

There's just no way Celery would take that risk here. He doesn't have it in him. Not so early in the phase.

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

The matter is that he would have needed to commit himself to blind dying at that very moment

blind is dead now and the remaining wolf is going to distance themselves from him

but that was AFTER Celery voted

at the time of the vote, blind wasn't as lock as he is now

ok, I see what you're saying

but, my premise includes the fact that he would be reading that blind would die no matter what so

he would want the towncred associated with placing the vote that would lead to outing blind because if you think that blind would die no matter what then you think that it has to happen at some point

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

ok, I see what you're saying

but, my premise includes the fact that he would be reading that blind would die no matter what so

he would want the towncred associated with placing the vote that would lead to outing blind because if you think that blind would die no matter what then you think that it has to happen at some point

you are treating this as if blind dying was always a foregone conclusion

I just read this phase. It wasn't

There was plenty of wiggle room for other outcomes. All he had to do was not do anything, then realize that there had to be a wolf in you/blind, for example.

It wasn't until celery made that move that he sealed blind's fate

celery is complicit in blind being lock

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

you are treating this as if blind dying was always a foregone conclusion

I just read this phase. It wasn't

There was plenty of wiggle room for other outcomes. All he had to do was not do anything, then realize that there had to be a wolf in you/blind, for example.

It wasn't until celery made that move that he sealed blind's fate

celery is complicit in blind being lock

I uh
think it was pretty foregone

so agree to disagree

[DaBackpack]

If a wolf Celery honestly felt that a blind lynch was inevitable, he might have done what he did. Maybe.

But read the phase, read the atmosphere again. Read the suspicion on me. There was totally a way for me to be lynched this phase.

Celery does not take that risk as a wolf. I'm staking the game on that. My lock in on blind is proof of that.

[DaBackpack]

I just really don't think that's a wolf Celery thing to do

[DaBackpack]

There is zero utility to Celery ending it right there. If blind was a foregone conclusion, he probably would have voted blind at some point.

But Celery insta'ing a wolf partner is just so unfathomable for me that I reject it

[DaBackpack]

The only way I can see Celery doing that as wolf is if he had no idea what he was doing or was doing a chaos play. This simply isn't a calculated play from Celery.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Oh fuck that was a scum role that got checks.

What kind of fucking wolf gets checks? I guess that explains how two roles get NKd in a role

Well fuck me this game was a lot easier when you where mechanically clear

this is a really weird post for a wolf to make tbh