TWG Turbo 35: A Small Gathering [GAME THREAD]

[_Zenith_]

If you are latching onto me saying Roundbox was the safest kill, that too is an opinion, but I'm confident that its obvious and others felt the same way too.

[Haze with a Z]

Originally Posted by leetic

Zenith: "Not killing roundbox would cause positive outcomes for the wolf."
leetic: "What positive outcomes? I mean, if I made that move as a wolf, I would try to take advantage of paranoia of roundbox being fake yada yada yada..."
Zenith: "Well, like you said, it could help promote paranoia, but also other positive outcomes."

Paraphrased but you get the point. This is the part that I take issue with, in that Zenith is making bold statements but not having the substance to back it up and when called out just tries to cover by using my ideas.

Yes but even trying to come up with all benefits the only thing new I can come up with is that you can kill whoever you want and set yourself up for the f3 with one unchanging variable. Which then again does rely on roundbox tring the wolf enough to not instant vote them in f3 tbh.

[leetic]

Originally Posted by Haze with a Z

Like you act like there are a million benefits to having a clear

Oh, you quoted the exchange I was talking about, helpful. Zenith is the one acting like there are benefits to having a clear; I am arguing that if roundbox was left alive it would be beneficial to promote the idea that they're not clear.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by Haze with a Z

Zenith stop lurking tbh it makes me paranoid

Yeah so one time I checked on my phone like two hours after I posted and it still said I was viewing the thread.

[leetic]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

If you are latching onto me saying Roundbox was the safest kill, that too is an opinion, but I'm confident that its obvious and others felt the same way too.

You said you would have killed anyone other than roundbox lol

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by leetic

Oh, you quoted the exchange I was talking about, helpful. Zenith is the one acting like there are benefits to having a clear; I am arguing that if roundbox was left alive it would be beneficial to promote the idea that they're not clear.

Am I missing something here?

Does this scenario not naturally resolve itself?

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by leetic

You said you would have killed anyone other than roundbox lol

Yeah and? How is this not an opinion?

[leetic]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Off of one line that reads

"...and said Zenith and Xel have been wolfy..."

Go ahead and find me the post the claims I am wolfing or a red lean.

Your quotes in context have me at "suspicious" at best, maybe dirty is better, but not red. It is appealing to the continued "consensus" multiple people operated off of during that phase and a little into D2.

I don't know how to answer a lack of game solving from my perspective, part of it is due to I have a life outside of this thread, that requires attention and time, and thus my activity has been lackluster (this is actually why I signed up as a replacement first). I feel increasingly confident that you are the wolf here because I truly think you succeeded in deepwolfing. Putting yourself at center is risky but is very managable for someone with strong social skills (which imo you've presented in this game), but you did a good enough job that people leaned you town and you were able to run with it. If I had to choose you or Haze as wolf here, it's extremely difficult for me to see a world where Wolf Haze kept me alive in F3, not impossible, but comparing it to you, I really only see you doing it and pulling it off.



Lets back up here because this is another example of you clearly reading something wrong.

First, you asked me who I would kill in the night, my response to you is my own opinion, it is not a statement that it was optimal or not optimal.

I personally would not have killed roundbox because I would have taken my chances with him alive, and yet again on correcting you, he did not have any case against me or negative feelings towards me, he parked his vote between Xel and I (which I quoted, feel free to reread and try to get it correct again) which were consensus votes (and both wagons for D1).

This is so dumb lol I'm not even sure that it's worth responding to

Maybe I'll take it apart bit by bit

[Haze with a Z]

Originally Posted by leetic

Oh, you quoted the exchange I was talking about, helpful. Zenith is the one acting like there are benefits to having a clear; I am arguing that if roundbox was left alive it would be beneficial to promote the idea that they're not clear.

I don’t think the argument being made is “clears are good” tbh. I think it is “there can be good outcomes from a clear person living”. Like there is a reason clears die in every game.

[Haze with a Z]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Yeah so one time I checked on my phone like two hours after I posted and it still said I was viewing the thread.

How do you know it wasn’t just you coming back?

[leetic]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Yeah and? How is this not an opinion?

You were unable to say who you would have killed besides roundbox, and you were unable to say why you would have wanted to keep roundbox alive until I gave you an answer

[leetic]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Off of one line that reads

"...and said Zenith and Xel have been wolfy..."

Go ahead and find me the post the claims I am wolfing or a red lean.

They fucking said that you had been wolfy. Is it that difficult to understand? It feels like you are pushing the one single proof fallacy

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by leetic

This is so dumb lol I'm not even sure that it's worth responding to

Maybe I'll take it apart bit by bit

This is spoken literally as a wolf

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by leetic

You were unable to say who you would have killed besides roundbox, and you were unable to say why you would have wanted to keep roundbox alive until I gave you an answer

I told you once again, from the very beginning, that even discussing that was an absolute waste of time, why would I continue giving you information and insight on something I truly believed was a waste of all of our time?

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by leetic

They fucking said that you had been wolfy. Is it that difficult to understand? It feels like you are pushing the one single proof fallacy

Aren't you also operating under this then? You have one proof Raeko called me wolfy and we just pointed it out lol.

[leetic]

[quote=_Zenith_;4794828]I don't know how to answer a lack of game solving from my perspective, part of it is due to I have a life outside of this thread, that requires attention and time, and thus my activity has been lackluster (this is actually why I signed up as a replacement first). I feel increasingly confident that you are the wolf here because I truly think you succeeded in deepwolfing. Putting yourself at center is risky but is very managable for someone with strong social skills (which imo you've presented in this game), but you did a good enough job that people leaned you town and you were able to run with it. If I had to choose you or Haze as wolf here, it's extremely difficult for me to see a world where Wolf Haze kept me alive in F3, not impossible, but comparing it to you, I really only see you doing it and pulling it off./QUOTE]

So successful in deepwolfing that the only reason I'm alive right now is that you decided to vote your "townread". Also, do you or do you not think MML was the safest kill N2?

[Haze with a Z]

Originally Posted by leetic

They fucking said that you had been wolfy. Is it that difficult to understand? It feels like you are pushing the one single proof fallacy

The name of this website makes me believe they believe in flat earth but the top makes me believe not and it is weird.

[leetic]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Aren't you also operating under this then? You have one proof Raeko called me wolfy and we just pointed it out lol.

To quote:

The fallacy of “one single proof” occurs when someone rejects overwhelming evidence because of the lack of specific evidence and declare the entire argument invalid.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by Haze with a Z

How do you know it wasn’t just you coming back?

I am not signed in on my phone and my PC wasn't on (I wasn't home)

[leetic]

Originally Posted by Haze with a Z

The name of this website makes me believe they believe in flat earth but the top makes me believe not and it is weird.

It's a website that debunks flat Earth conspiracies