Is it wrong to be gay? - Page 2

Izzy · 10-23-2009, 10:02 PM

Why does love for someone have to purely be sexual?

fido123 · 10-23-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Izzy

Why does love for someone have to purely be sexual?

As I stated in my OP, there's a pharmacological attraction. If I found a girl I really connected with I would probably really try hard to actively presue that unless I was already in another serious relationship..

Izzy · 10-23-2009, 10:08 PM

I feel the same way, which is why I consider myself bisexual. Assuming that a deep meaningful relationship is always sexual in some way. It's bound to happen. People are simply curious. That phenomenon alone is probably enough to spark a biological change over a long period of time to cause people to become homosexual.

korny · 10-23-2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Izzy

I feel the same way, which is why I consider myself bisexual. Assuming that a deep meaningful relationship is always sexual in some way. It's bound to happen. People are simply curious. That phenomenon alone is probably enough to spark a biological change over a long period of time to cause people to become homosexual.

Are you applying this to anyone?

PhaeL v2 · 10-23-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by fido123

@Ph3eal: Why is it wrong to be gay? Saying it's simply wrong just makes you look ignorant.

If the post was to me, okay, I will make my arguments, even if they're still ignorant:

1 - Either you believe cientific or religious theory, humans, and all the animals, were meant to be with the opposite gender.

2 - No matter how much years will pass, gay couples will always suffer prejudice. Just let the things be at their normal "way".

3 - I, personally, don't think a gay couple is a good thing to see.

But let me clear you one thing: I'm not homophobic. I have gay friends too, just like Carlos, and it has nothing to do with me, it's just my opinion. If they're happy like that, let them be happy. I won't interfere.

Dr Tran · 10-23-2009, 10:12 PM

not so much that taught that its wrong just not have it shown as a lifestyle choice.children are very impressionable, if you tell a child its ok to smoke and expose them to smoking then there is a very good chance that child will become a smoker. same goes with just about anything. again using technology as an example did you know that right now cellphones are outselling land lines in mexico? i doubt its because of the convenience seeing as how much a cellphone costs in mexico is about the same as here and the amount of money someone makes is far below minimum wage. they have it because they have been told that cell phones are ok/better to have than traditional landlines. now think of that scenario but with gays. if gay couples start to out number straight couples there will be a big hit not only in the school districts but other things as well. the toy industry will be losing out on billions of dollars over the years and the makers of school supplies will also take a hit. not to mention having no kids to grow up to be the next scientists or political leaders will also be bad on a global scale. if you've never seen the movie children of men i suggest you watch it because it shows pretty much what could happen to the world if gays were to take over. this of course wont happen in our lifetime and like i said im thinking more about the future than the present.

fido123 · 10-23-2009, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PhaeL v2

If the post was to me, okay, I will make my arguments, even if they're still ignorant:

1 - Either you believe cientific or religious theory, humans, and all the animals, were meant to be with the opposite gender.

2 - No matter how much years will pass, gay couples will always suffer prejudice. Just let the things be at their normal "way".

3 - I, personally, don't think a gay couple is a good thing to see.

But let me clear you one thing: I'm not homophobic. I have gay friends too, just like Carlos, and it has nothing to do with me, it's just my opinion. If they're happy like that, let them be happy. I won't interfere.

Now I don't think you're ignorant but number 3 really isn't a reason, rather than you're uncomfortable with gays. So would that be being uncomfortable and not liking it rather than thinking it's wrong? Also number 2 is what they said about blacks, and women, and all that same logic.

fido123 · 10-23-2009, 10:16 PM

@Tran: I think gays outnumbering strait people is like...really off the wall. It's MUCH easier for strait people to love members of the opposite sex, so I don't think it's going to happen. Also I agree that advertising it as a lifestyle is retarded. It's somebody's sexuality, big deal.

Also Pheal. So you don't like it? That's perfectly fine, it doesn't make it wrong though, you just don't like the idea of homosexuality. Tell me if I'm wrong. And if you think it's wrong and you're not giving reasons, no offense you probably don't have any and if you do please share them. If there are none you're ignorant. Not assuming you're any of the latter things I'm saying, just covering my bases.

Dr Tran · 10-23-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by fido123

@Tran: I think gays outnumbering strait people is like...really off the wall. It's MUCH easier for strait people to love members of the opposite sex.

like i said children are very impressionable so saying that its easier for a straight person to love a member of the opposite sex only applies right now. i also think its safe to say that even now if the gay culture and lifestyle keeps getting pushed it will be just as easy for someone to love someone of the same sex jhust as easily as it is for a dog owner to fall in love with their pet.

PhaeL v2 · 10-23-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fido123

Also Phael. So you don't like it? That's perfectly fine, it doesn't make it wrong though, you just don't like the idea of homosexuality. Tell me if I'm wrong. And if you think it's wrong and you're not giving reasons, no offense you probably don't have any and if you do please share them. If there are none you're ignorant. Not assuming you're any of the latter things I'm saying, just covering my bases.

I already shared my reasons: I don't like the idea, that's why I think it's wrong. But if people are happy and feel fine about it, what the hell do I have to do with it? Just because I think it's wrong, I'll not write in my shirt: "**** YOU ALL, ******S". And the fact that I think it's wrong doesn't make me a homophobic at all, as I already stated in previous posts. It's MY opinion, no one have nothing to do with it, neither do I have nothing to do with their opinions and lifestyles. That's what humans call "tolerance".

**devonin** · 10-23-2009, 10:25 PM

Cleaned up the thread some. Remember which forum you're posting in, kiddies.

fido123 · 10-23-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Tran

like i said children are very impressionable so saying that its easier for a straight person to love a member of the opposite sex only applies right now. i also think its safe to say that even now if the gay culture and lifestyle keeps getting pushed it will be just as easy for someone to love someone of the same sex jhust as easily as it is for a dog owner to fall in love with their pet.

So would it be more accurate to say you're against people not having children, and gays fall into this. Also just against the gay culture rather than being against homosexuality itself?

PhaeL v2 · 10-23-2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MrGiggles

Which scientific theory are you referring to?

Talking about animals, not other organisms, in the evolution's history, there wasn't a single case of animals with the same gender procriating. To have fecundation, you need genetic material from both beings, one of each gender. Aside some separated reproduction systems, like
parthenogenesis, from bees, where the queen produzes his own drones without any fecundation.

I may be truly equivocated, as I posted in another thread, I can't make clear arguments in English, because my skills don't let me to do so.

I'm stopping posting here. If I'm wrong, sorry, but it's my opinion.

fido123 · 10-23-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PhaeL v2

Talking about animals, not other organisms, in the evolution's history, there wasn't a single case of animals with the same gender procriating. To have fecundation, you need genetic material from both beings, one of each gender. Aside some separated reproduction systems, like
parthenogenesis, from bees, where the queen produzes his own drones without any fecundation.

I may be truly equivocated, as I posted in another thread, I can't make clear arguments in English, because my skills don't let me to do so.

I'm stopping posting here. If I'm wrong, sorry, but it's my opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosex...ior_in_animals

PhaeL v2 · 10-23-2009, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fido123

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosex...ior_in_animals

Oh, thanks, it probably will clear my mind a little.

Edit: Hmmm, I was talking about evolution, keeping species "alive". There's aparently no problem in homossexual parenting, but it's not enough to keep your race from extinction. But, well, thanks for the article, I'll stop posting.

Dr Tran · 10-23-2009, 10:34 PM

im not against people not having children because thats a personal choice and im not one to tell people how to live their life. well you cant havea gay culture without actual gays so i think its safe to say i am against gays

fido123 · 10-23-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Tran

im not against people not having children because thats a personal choice and im not one to tell people how to live their life. well you cant havea gay culture without actual gays so i think its safe to say i am against gays

I think rap is dumb. It makes everybody and even white people delve into rap culture making them steal cars and kill people. Guess I'm against blacks.

MrGiggles · 10-23-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PhaeL v2

Talking about animals, not other organisms, in the evolution's history, there wasn't a single case of animals with the same gender procriating.

Well, there's the banana slug, which is hermaphroditic and can even self-fertilize, but I don't know if that counts as a same-gender procreation.

Besides, I suppose it depends on whether you believe evolutionary changes come randomly or whether evolution is being guided by a higher power. It could potentially just be coincidence that we even have different genders. For all I know, it could even be already explained by science. Man, I'm going to be up all night researching some of this stuff now.

EDIT: Fido, he said procreation, not just homosexual activity. =P

PhaeL v2 · 10-23-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MrGiggles

Well, there's the banana slug, which is hermaphroditic and can even self-fertilize, but I don't know if that counts as a same-gender procreation.

Well, since it is hermaphroditic, holding both genders, yeah, it can count.

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Originally Posted by MrGiggles

Besides, I suppose it depends on whether you believe evolutionary changes come randomly or whether evolution is being guided by a higher power. It could potentially just be coincidence that we even have different genders. For all I know, it could even be already explained by science. Man, I'm going to be up all night researching some of this stuff now.

Now you got me, lol. Pointing this just made me go like

, and thinking about it. I think I'll research some too.

Also, damn, this is such a tough topic to come up, we can go through the night talking about this and it'll never end.

Dr Tran · 10-23-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by fido123

I think rap is dumb. It makes everybody and even white people delve into rap culture making them steal cars and kill people. Guess I'm against blacks.

you're generalizing rap to try to prove a point

10-23-2009, 10:02 PM	#21
Izzy Snek Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas Age: 34 Posts: 9,192	Re: Is it wrong to be gay? Why does love for someone have to purely be sexual?

10-23-2009, 10:08 PM	#23
Izzy Snek Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas Age: 34 Posts: 9,192	Re: Is it wrong to be gay? I feel the same way, which is why I consider myself bisexual. Assuming that a deep meaningful relationship is always sexual in some way. It's bound to happen. People are simply curious. That phenomenon alone is probably enough to spark a biological change over a long period of time to cause people to become homosexual.

10-23-2009, 10:12 PM	#26
Dr Tran Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,134	Re: Is it wrong to be gay? not so much that taught that its wrong just not have it shown as a lifestyle choice.children are very impressionable, if you tell a child its ok to smoke and expose them to smoking then there is a very good chance that child will become a smoker. same goes with just about anything. again using technology as an example did you know that right now cellphones are outselling land lines in mexico? i doubt its because of the convenience seeing as how much a cellphone costs in mexico is about the same as here and the amount of money someone makes is far below minimum wage. they have it because they have been told that cell phones are ok/better to have than traditional landlines. now think of that scenario but with gays. if gay couples start to out number straight couples there will be a big hit not only in the school districts but other things as well. the toy industry will be losing out on billions of dollars over the years and the makers of school supplies will also take a hit. not to mention having no kids to grow up to be the next scientists or political leaders will also be bad on a global scale. if you've never seen the movie children of men i suggest you watch it because it shows pretty much what could happen to the world if gays were to take over. this of course wont happen in our lifetime and like i said im thinking more about the future than the present.

10-23-2009, 10:16 PM	#28
fido123 FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Age: 32 Posts: 4,245	Re: Is it wrong to be gay? @Tran: I think gays outnumbering strait people is like...really off the wall. It's MUCH easier for strait people to love members of the opposite sex, so I don't think it's going to happen. Also I agree that advertising it as a lifestyle is retarded. It's somebody's sexuality, big deal. Also Pheal. So you don't like it? That's perfectly fine, it doesn't make it wrong though, you just don't like the idea of homosexuality. Tell me if I'm wrong. And if you think it's wrong and you're not giving reasons, no offense you probably don't have any and if you do please share them. If there are none you're ignorant. Not assuming you're any of the latter things I'm saying, just covering my bases.

10-23-2009, 10:25 PM	#31
devonin Very Grave Indeed Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 40 Posts: 10,098	Re: Is it wrong to be gay? Cleaned up the thread some. Remember which forum you're posting in, kiddies.

10-23-2009, 10:34 PM	#36
Dr Tran Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,134	Re: Is it wrong to be gay? im not against people not having children because thats a personal choice and im not one to tell people how to live their life. well you cant havea gay culture without actual gays so i think its safe to say i am against gays

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