Ingame Song Information - Page 161

**jimerax** · 11-7-2010, 12:46 AM

Yeah considering we already have 1,000+ songs in the game, 1-100 difficulty system is clearly better than current one.

Also difficulty change isn't done by people's skill of course, it's done by thinking of the balance of current ingame songs (difficulty comparison, # of songs in FGO, FMO, VC... , etc). Avmiss fix was a big reason for the difficulty adjustment too, difficulty adjustment was partially done but I don't think it was done well enough though.

**Elite Ninja** · 11-7-2010, 11:22 AM

I just want Southern Cross to be a FMO

Like seriously that song is long and hard enough to be one.

who_cares973 · 11-7-2010, 11:38 AM

we should format the game and start fresh

stavie33 · 11-9-2010, 06:45 PM

Phantom Ensemble seems easier to me than Twilight Jewel, at least sightread, AAA'd Phantom second try, have 3-0-0-0 on Twilight jewel, but as we know scores don't matter.

Twilight is HIGH 74, nevermind, beginnings annoying as crap, other colored notes later on, 16th zigzag pattern and jumpstream, what I forgot is the ANNOYING trumpet/drum solo thing in the middle, and it's 4 minutes long.

Phantom Ensemble is mid 74 exactly, fast 32nds and 24th bursts, jumpstream and 16ths however are pretty straightforward, nothing too bad otherwise.

Opinions?

EDIT: If how many people AAA has anything to say with it, Phantom already has 25 while jewel has 13...

**HoneyMelonCalibrator** · 11-9-2010, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elite Ninja

I just want Southern Cross to be a FMO

Like seriously that song is long and hard enough to be one.

I concur.

**Plan_Bsk81127** · 11-9-2010, 06:51 PM

Twlight is also 4 mins long with some tricky parts throughout the file. Phantom is short(er)

**travman301** · 11-14-2010, 09:49 AM

I don't really care if they change the difficulties on some of the old FMO's (although I disagree with a few), but changing the oni unlocks is total bull****.

I mean, if everyone started getting starman would it be fair to change the req to getting ALL goods? No it wouldn't.

I've been working hard on getting close to some of those songs and now that's all ripped away from me. It's really just not fair.

**foxfire667** · 11-14-2010, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elite Ninja

I just want Southern Cross to be a FMO

Like seriously that song is long and hard enough to be one.

I agree with this. Southern Cross definately has the length, and the jumpstream patterns make it ticky enough for it to be an FMO. It is a file that I found was fairly dificult to AAA when I did. Looking at this number-wise though:

76 (M) Going On Spring Wind - This is an FMO
76 (M) Novo Mundo - This is an FMO
76 (M) Choprite - This is an FMO

Why are these VC's if they have a higher total difficulty than the files above?
77 (R) Southern Cross (2123 Notes / BPM 40-172)
77 (S) K8107 (1071 Notes / BPM 180)

This doesn't make any sense to me. I could see if say those two files had a total diffculty of 75, or maybe a low 76 that didn't qualify for FMO status...but they are considered harder than the three FMO files listed, yet they are only VC files?

**Netjet!** · 11-14-2010, 01:09 PM

That might have been a typo when they got switched from FMO. Although I do agree that Southern Cross is pretty tricky, and K8107 has some difficult patterns when you clump everything together near the middle of the song.

Xx{Midnight}xX · 11-14-2010, 03:18 PM

K8107 isn't really FMO until the end. That one can stay a VC. It's honestly easy enough.

SC FMO though.

**TC_Halogen** · 11-14-2010, 03:49 PM

K8107 = FMO; I have absolutely no clue why that was dropped.
SC = VC - the jumpstream speed is slow and it has only a few bursts that are fairly easy?

**foxfire667** · 11-14-2010, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xx{Midnight}xX

K8107 isn't really FMO until the end. That one can stay a VC. It's honestly easy enough.

SC FMO though.

Personally I think Southern Cross has more room to miss the AAA than K8107 does. I'd say Southern Cross is easier than K8107, but it's length balances it out. I just don't understand why they are VC if files that are considered easier are FMO's.

Also...how did this happen?
77 (P) Silence (1482 Notes / BPM 140)

Why is Silence a 77? Silence is like taking Southern Cross and playing at .7 speed. Why would Silence be considered just as hard as Southern Cross at any time...or for that matter harder than Going on Spring Wind, or the other FMO's that are only 76's? This confuses me quite a bit. Sure the jump-stream lasts a while, but it isn't like it is fast or really complex so why a 77?

**HoneyMelonCalibrator** · 11-14-2010, 05:05 PM

Bump both up to FMOs ?_?

**bmah** · 11-14-2010, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by foxfire667

Personally I think Southern Cross has more room to miss the AAA than K8107 does. I'd say Southern Cross is easier than K8107, but it's length balances it out. I just don't understand why they are VC if files that are considered easier are FMO's.

Also...how did this happen?
77 (P) Silence (1482 Notes / BPM 140)

Why is Silence a 77? Silence is like taking Southern Cross and playing at .7 speed. Why would Silence be considered just as hard as Southern Cross at any time...or for that matter harder than Going on Spring Wind, or the other FMO's that are only 76's? This confuses me quite a bit. Sure the jump-stream lasts a while, but it isn't like it is fast or really complex so why a 77?

Ever considered the ridiculous offsync of the file? That and the constant 16th jumpstreams for nearly the entire song makes this unanimously an FMO. Some people find blue-arrow files harder to read too. The file's about how long you can last without screwing up.

**TC_Halogen** · 11-14-2010, 05:22 PM

Song is rated a 77, but is a VC...yeah.

Even though Silence is offsync, it's offsync by exactly 1/16th of a note, which makes the chart pretty simple for an FMO.

stavie33 · 11-14-2010, 06:03 PM

I'd make both Southern Cross and K8107 76's, low FMO's. They are FMO, but they are lowest possible. And K8107 IMO is much harder than Southern Cross, but Southern Cross should never be VC, who did that? Silence is 75, fine like that. I STILL hate Feldschlatt and want it a 76 but what/ev. Why is GoSW 76? Move that to 77, and FotBB to 80.

Seriously, EHHS NEEDS to be dropped to like 78/77, has most AAA's of an FMO and is a complete joke compared to half of the higher ranked songs, Setsoujou is like 78 and is MUCH harder, same with Night and Day, Dead and Direct, etc. EHHS NEEDS to be moved down.

**Vanilla Mnm** · 11-14-2010, 06:13 PM

I blackflagged both.

Also, I don't know if this is just me.. but Rondo Alla Turca & V2 are both harder than a lot of VCs like Tambourin Chinois, Mute City Remix, and a few others.

**TC_Halogen** · 11-14-2010, 06:15 PM

You've also listed very low VCs, so naturally, the difference between what you're good at and what you're bad at (pattern-wise) might make up this difference.

**Vanilla Mnm** · 11-14-2010, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

You've also listed very low VCs, so naturally, the difference between what you're good at and what you're bad at (pattern-wise) might make up this difference.

Well Rondo Alla Turca & V2 both have some pretty weird patterns and are both pretty long, while Tambourin Chinois is 1:09 long, has maybe one pattern that's easy to messup on, which is 5 arrows long. And I don't see how anybody could think Mute City Remix is harder than either Rondo Alla Turca's.

But yeah, you're right, that could be the difference.

**Patashu** · 11-14-2010, 06:30 PM

imo the solution to the heavy/oni problem is to have a token half way between them that drops on a certain set of VCs (probably mid to high tier VCs or just high tier VCs)

that way if you could get old oni you can get new half-oni

11-7-2010, 12:46 AM	#3201
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Yeah considering we already have 1,000+ songs in the game, 1-100 difficulty system is clearly better than current one. Also difficulty change isn't done by people's skill of course, it's done by thinking of the balance of current ingame songs (difficulty comparison, # of songs in FGO, FMO, VC... , etc). Avmiss fix was a big reason for the difficulty adjustment too, difficulty adjustment was partially done but I don't think it was done well enough though.

11-7-2010, 11:22 AM	#3202
Elite Ninja Kawaii Desu Difficulty Consulting Cat Join Date: Mar 2007 Age: 30 Posts: 4,811	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 I just want Southern Cross to be a FMO Like seriously that song is long and hard enough to be one. __________________

11-7-2010, 11:38 AM	#3203
who_cares973 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: :U Age: 35 Posts: 15,407	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 we should format the game and start fresh __________________

11-9-2010, 06:45 PM	#3204
stavie33 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,925	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Phantom Ensemble seems easier to me than Twilight Jewel, at least sightread, AAA'd Phantom second try, have 3-0-0-0 on Twilight jewel, but as we know scores don't matter. Twilight is HIGH 74, nevermind, beginnings annoying as crap, other colored notes later on, 16th zigzag pattern and jumpstream, what I forgot is the ANNOYING trumpet/drum solo thing in the middle, and it's 4 minutes long. Phantom Ensemble is mid 74 exactly, fast 32nds and 24th bursts, jumpstream and 16ths however are pretty straightforward, nothing too bad otherwise. Opinions? EDIT: If how many people AAA has anything to say with it, Phantom already has 25 while jewel has 13... __________________ It's getting better all the time I used to get mad at my school (No, I can't complain) The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain) You're holding me down (Oh Oh) Turning me round (Oh Oh) Filling me up with your rules (Oooh) Last edited by stavie33; 11-9-2010 at 07:06 PM..

11-9-2010, 06:51 PM	#3206
Plan_Bsk81127 snooches Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 32 Posts: 6,420	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Twlight is also 4 mins long with some tricky parts throughout the file. Phantom is short(er)

11-14-2010, 09:49 AM	#3207
travman301 #swagdog Join Date: Mar 2004 Age: 33 Posts: 2,641	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 I don't really care if they change the difficulties on some of the old FMO's (although I disagree with a few), but changing the oni unlocks is total bull****. I mean, if everyone started getting starman would it be fair to change the req to getting ALL goods? No it wouldn't. I've been working hard on getting close to some of those songs and now that's all ripped away from me. It's really just not fair.

11-14-2010, 01:09 PM	#3209
Netjet! Sic itur ad astra Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ottawa, Canada Age: 30 Posts: 4,700	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 That might have been a typo when they got switched from FMO. Although I do agree that Southern Cross is pretty tricky, and K8107 has some difficult patterns when you clump everything together near the middle of the song.

11-14-2010, 03:18 PM	#3210
Xx{Midnight}xX FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 31 Posts: 8,548	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 K8107 isn't really FMO until the end. That one can stay a VC. It's honestly easy enough. SC FMO though.

11-14-2010, 03:49 PM	#3211
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 K8107 = FMO; I have absolutely no clue why that was dropped. SC = VC - the jumpstream speed is slow and it has only a few bursts that are fairly easy?

11-14-2010, 05:22 PM	#3215
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Song is rated a 77, but is a VC...yeah. Even though Silence is offsync, it's offsync by exactly 1/16th of a note, which makes the chart pretty simple for an FMO.

11-14-2010, 06:03 PM	#3216
stavie33 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,925	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 I'd make both Southern Cross and K8107 76's, low FMO's. They are FMO, but they are lowest possible. And K8107 IMO is much harder than Southern Cross, but Southern Cross should never be VC, who did that? Silence is 75, fine like that. I STILL hate Feldschlatt and want it a 76 but what/ev. Why is GoSW 76? Move that to 77, and FotBB to 80. Seriously, EHHS NEEDS to be dropped to like 78/77, has most AAA's of an FMO and is a complete joke compared to half of the higher ranked songs, Setsoujou is like 78 and is MUCH harder, same with Night and Day, Dead and Direct, etc. EHHS NEEDS to be moved down. __________________ It's getting better all the time I used to get mad at my school (No, I can't complain) The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain) You're holding me down (Oh Oh) Turning me round (Oh Oh) Filling me up with your rules (Oooh)

11-14-2010, 06:13 PM	#3217
Vanilla Mnm cavs Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saratoga, New York Posts: 3,258	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 I blackflagged both. Also, I don't know if this is just me.. but Rondo Alla Turca & V2 are both harder than a lot of VCs like Tambourin Chinois, Mute City Remix, and a few others.

11-14-2010, 06:15 PM	#3218
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 You've also listed very low VCs, so naturally, the difference between what you're good at and what you're bad at (pattern-wise) might make up this difference.

11-14-2010, 06:30 PM	#3220
Patashu FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: we traced the call...it's coming from inside the house Age: 33 Posts: 8,609	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 imo the solution to the heavy/oni problem is to have a token half way between them that drops on a certain set of VCs (probably mid to high tier VCs or just high tier VCs) that way if you could get old oni you can get new half-oni __________________ Patashu makes Chiptunes in Famitracker: http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1) http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee301/xiaoven/solorulzsig.png

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