how do you ****ing do this...

[zhul4nder]

i'm playing starcraft...on the map fastest...

I can't play it right. everytime i play it, i'm always behind in minerals, units, and production in general....

I have no idea how to play that map. does anyone have any tips?

What i have right now is basic protoss knowledge. 7 pylon, > gate> nexus > cannon defense...But i always fail with that. I see other people do it in replys and they pull it off. What do i do?

If I start working on economy as in early two nexus, i get rushed. GG
If i start working on a rush as in fast zealots, my economy won't catch up and i'll lose late game. GG
If I make static defense early and work on teching, i get early raped by multiple people. GG

[xBBx Takedown]

fail fail fail

[zhul4nder]

Originally Posted by xBBx Takedown

fail fail fail

you're a great help thanks. What part of that phrase do you want me to get out of it? the first middle or last fail?

[Red_Comet]

get the first armor upgrade, once you've hit the 6th squad it'll make a big difference late game.

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

It goes for me:
Miner X3
Pylon X2
gateway mass.

[Tr44nc33]

Starcraft is old.

[poleaxe]

i usually do 4 miners 3 pylons then build tons of gateways then 2 or 3 nexus while u build other support buildings and zealots then build a ton of photon cannons while you build an army

[Wineandbread]

Wrong subforum.

I can't really help you too much cause I don't play on fastest, but I don't understand why you would ever get two nexuses on fastest. o.o
Generally, it's not a good idea to go too hectic on one thing, like going all static defense or all zealots for rushing.

[makdaddy]

Originally Posted by Tr44nc33

Starcraft is old.

but still extremely fun

[zhul4nder]

ok, then screw fastest...what about on a regular map?

I just played some regular games on neo temple and i lost. quite badly. by the time i had one expansion, he was already in control of the middle with a whole lot of mines and tanks sieged in the back...along with vultures and turrets guarding from zealot bombs. I basically GGed there because there was no way i could push through that.

Anything that i could have done?

[Reach]

Originally Posted by zhul4nder

i'm playing starcraft...on the map fastest...

I can't play it right. everytime i play it, i'm always behind in minerals, units, and production in general....

I have no idea how to play that map. does anyone have any tips?

What i have right now is basic protoss knowledge. 7 pylon, > gate> nexus > cannon defense...But i always fail with that. I see other people do it in replys and they pull it off. What do i do?

If I start working on economy as in early two nexus, i get rushed. GG
If i start working on a rush as in fast zealots, my economy won't catch up and i'll lose late game. GG
If I make static defense early and work on teching, i get early raped by multiple people. GG

I played at a near pro level for some time on regular maps, though I do have a significant amount of experience with money maps too.

You don't need to pylon that early...it's more important than you continue to mass probes, constantly. Any deviation from this will result in a slippery slope against an experienced player.

However, you need the skills to be able to multi-task fast enough to constantly probe WITHOUT neglecting your teching/base, which is probably your main problem.

On many money maps, what you want to do is continue to mass probes until you can afford a second nexus, and then put that behind your original. Not only does this increase base security if you get nexus rushed, but now you can make more probes. Personally, I would usually make 2 additional nexuses, but you need to be really good in order to do that. If you're losing to a rush when doing this, you're not doing something right. You need to be faster, so until then stick with 1 extra nexus.

The minerals should start raking in, and from there you need to mass pylons and gateways.

Do not bother with cannon defense. The ONLY cannons worth your time are ones around your nexus and structures that are really important (ones used for upgrades and units and whatnot). Otherwise, pointless. They're a waste of minerals and won't matter at all soon anyway.


You need a lot of gateways. It depends on the map...but...as many as possible. I recommend not bothering with air at all until MUCH later, probably when the match is over.... where you can typically start mass star gating in another location, but I won't get into this because it's usually not necessary.

As for units, entirely depends. Know your units/counters/optimal # of goons/zealots etc per situation...this takes time though. You'll get the hang of it.

You want to be able to reproduce your entire army, 200/200, essentially with one run spamming units from your gateways.


Anyway, I can talk all I want, but ultimately, even with the optimal strategy, it comes down to skill (i.e. micro). I never lost on money maps (occasionally a draw..., which is lol), so I am led to believe that making 2 nexuses early on and then massing as I specified above is the optimal strategy...but it still depends on your skill level.



As for on LT, the regular map, lol. LT is WELL KNOWN for STRONGLY favoring terran in a PvT matchup.

That's not to say toss can't beat ran on that map, but you need skills. Ridiculous amounts of micro, shuttling, zealot bombing etc is necessary...but regardless it's hard to get an expansion up because 1. cliffs + tanks 2. the reason you can't stop this is because terran can shuttle faster than toss. Basically, map sucks so play a different map.

[zhul4nder]

I think my micro is fairly good...i've been playing all those impossible games with random units so i think i'll be good with micro. The thing is macro...keeping that in line is awful hard to remember. So if you have like Micro Macro games or something of the sort, it would be appreciated

[igotrhythm]

I used to play SC, but not much experience with Protoss, and certainly never developed the skills to survive in multiplayer. (I'm still stuck on the last Zerg mission in story mode, and I don't think I've ever beaten the computer 1v1. I did win on Triumvirate once, though.)

To me, what you're doing is basically focusing on one aspect of a complete game too early and neglecting your overall performance. As a result, you develop a weakness, and after 1 or 2 attacks, a skilled opponent will know how to counter such a specialized strategy.

Other than that, what Reach said. But I once watched an entire professional match (PvT) in which the Protoss player never laid a single cannon, instead focusing his time on building mobile units.

[All_That_Chaz]

You must construct additional pylons.

[zhul4nder]

Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz

You must construct additional pylons.

i loled hard at that xD

i also noticed that i lack the use of control groups and using the numbers for quick view of my base...io guess i just have to keep sucking until i get more used to the numbers and sutff

[Reach]

Originally Posted by zhul4nder

i loled hard at that xD

i also noticed that i lack the use of control groups and using the numbers for quick view of my base...io guess i just have to keep sucking until i get more used to the numbers and sutff

You don't hotkey?

Well, no wonder you can't win lol. You definitely have to hotkey on money maps if you want to be able to macro efficiently. I hotkey like a psycho on money maps...it's necessary.

Since you want to continue building your base and whatnot while attacking. Basically, the moment you get units --> Attack. You should hotkey between them, macro and the production of units, all at the same time....which can't be done without hotkeys. You should also set all of your gateway rally points to somewhere convenient near the enemy base.

Ideally, early in the game you should get multiple probes going at the same time to build your base faster. You can't do this without hotkeys.

So yeah, use hotkeys.


Also, you're using keyboard shortcuts right for unit and building production? I hope to hell so, because if you don't that is DEFINITELY the reason you are losing. lol.


PS while I said air is generally unnecessary, what can be convenient is building 2-3 stargates for arbiters ONLY. They come in handy!!

Once you have them pinned into their base and a constant stream of units being pumped from your gateways, for example, an easy way to finish them off is to just teleport all of your units to the back of their base. GG

[zhul4nder]

let's say i'm playing a regular map like python, what kind of hotkeys do you suggest that i practice first?

[fo3h4mm3r]

Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz

You must construct additional pylons.

Build more farms...o wait..

[Chrissemann]

Maybe he just fails at Starcraft