Should the government stop abortions?

[AOL_blows911]

Originally Posted by DDR_Mike

I disagree, if abortion is illegalized and people still try to do it, then that's just bad karma. I'm not saying that they deserve infection or anything else that could happen, though. And newborns don't go to the orphanage, there are SO many people that want babies, the line is very long, why kill a baby that tons of people would want to adopt (that can't have one on there own.)? My neighbors went to Russia to adopt a child because they are very hard to adopt in the US.

Well, I'll give you the point on adoptions. I don't know much about the whole adoption system and probably never will. However, the point I was making is that a mother who has a child she doesn't want is most likely going to send it to the orphanage or neglect it. Also, about the karma comment, I'm not sure I understant your point. Regardless of whether or not you think it is bad karma, illegal abortions would still most likely become a large problem if all abortions are illegalized. Clearify that for me if you would, I'm kind of curious what you meant by it.

[DDR_Mike]

Originally Posted by AOL_blows911

Well, I'll give you the point on adoptions. I don't know much about the whole adoption system and probably never will. However, the point I was making is that a mother who has a child she doesn't want is most likely going to send it to the orphanage or neglect it. Also, about the karma comment, I'm not sure I understant your point. Regardless of whether or not you think it is bad karma, illegal abortions would still most likely become a large problem if all abortions are illegalized. Clearify that for me if you would, I'm kind of curious what you meant by it.

Well, if abortion were illegalized and people still try to do it, they'd be breaking the law, breaking the law is bad karma; trying to kill your child is bad karma.

EDIT: There is one situation where I agree with abortion, and that is if someone is raped, and doesn't want the child, but they could still have it and put it up for adoption.

[All_That_Chaz]

let me get this straight. you're using karma to justify banning abortions.

























oh.

[DDR_Mike]

Originally Posted by All_That_Chaz

let me get this straight. you're using karma to justify banning abortions.

























oh.

PS:

Originally Posted by DDR_Mike

I disagree, if abortion is illegalized and people still try to do it, then that's just bad karma. I'm not saying that they deserve infection or anything else that could happen, though. And newborns don't go to the orphanage, there are SO many people that want babies, the line is very long, why kill a baby that tons of people would want to adopt (that can't have one on there own.)? My neighbors went to Russia to adopt a child because they are very hard to adopt in the US.

Originally Posted by AOL_blows911

Also, about the karma comment, I'm not sure I understant your point. Regardless of whether or not you think it is bad karma, illegal abortions would still most likely become a large problem if all abortions are illegalized. Clearify that for me if you would, I'm kind of curious what you meant by it.

Oh.

[devonin]

You'd have to prove conclusively that karma is an onjectively existing thing that actually functions on reality, which I think you would be very hard-pressed to do, before you can justify any arguement on the grounds of how it effects karmic balance.

To take the previous argument a step further, not only has illegalizing vices had an almost universally bad overall effect, -legalizing- vices (and thus subjecting them to controls and oversight) has actually had a generally good effect.

Look at many of the places that have legalised prostitution. By making it legal, and thus answerable to the government, the rate of disease transmission has dropped dramatically, the health standards of prostitutes and brothels have increased dramatically, and heck, taxing the process generates more government funding for important programs.

[All_That_Chaz]

calm down, mike. i was just pointing out the absurdity of karma being in this debate. simmer down, kid.

devonin, i imagine that the reason pro-lifers have a problem with this is that it spits in the face of moral right. it seems like giving up from a legislating standpoint. it seems especially heinous with sin-taxes thrown in the mix.

however, it seems that legalizing vices is very "free market capitalism" so i guess it's another situation of where to draw the line between freedom and morality.

[OrganisM]

Originally Posted by devonin

You'd have to prove conclusively that karma is an onjectively existing thing that actually functions on reality, which I think you would be very hard-pressed to do, before you can justify any arguement on the grounds of how it effects karmic balance.

To take the previous argument a step further, not only has illegalizing vices had an almost universally bad overall effect, -legalizing- vices (and thus subjecting them to controls and oversight) has actually had a generally good effect.

Look at many of the places that have legalized prostitution. By making it legal, and thus answerable to the government, the rate of disease transmission has dropped dramatically, the health standards of prostitutes and brothels have increased dramatically, and heck, taxing the process generates more government funding for important programs.

Well, the last bit about government funding I wouldn't quite argue; who's to say the government isn't wasting that money? Of course, that's another argument. But when the United States government uses so much of its money to perpetuate a "war" that generates absurd amounts of money for the private sector, I'm hard pressed to use that as reason for anything.