TWG Turbo 36: Gradient Hasn't Played in a While (But I Know You're Watching) GAME THREAD

[the sun fan]

as a reminder, it is lylo and votes are locked in once they are cast

[bugkid666]

hello boys

[bugkid666]

i am once again in f3 having to decide who is who

[bugkid666]

by the way, mcdaddio neighborized me yesterday which is why she felt she could "clear" me on top of charu's thoughts of rb, ffa and freezin being higher priority than me (which i saw in the chat, because she did in fact neighborize charu d1)

[bugkid666]

at some point im going through the whole thread and rereading both of you which i suggest we all do for each other anyways

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

at some point im going through the whole thread and rereading both of you which i suggest we all do for each other anyways

I am out right now but Imma do this when I get back

[roundbox]

I am back
gonna do some rereading

[flashflash account]

I don't know what to say other than I town read bugkid and wolf read roundbox and that basically means nothing
I called out that I think wolf freezin is capable of bussing bugkid in lylo and there's still a chance that happened
because of this, I'm just going to wait for bugkid or roundbox to vote me and then omgus because omgus is always accurate

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by flashflash account

I don't know what to say other than I town read bugkid and wolf read roundbox and that basically means nothing
I called out that I think wolf freezin is capable of bussing bugkid in lylo and there's still a chance that happened
because of this, I'm just going to wait for bugkid or roundbox to vote me and then omgus because omgus is always accurate

you're not willing to reconsider? I'm doing a reread, and in order for bug to be wolf, I have to get a townread off of you
it's f3, I'm willing to reconsider everything

[bugkid666]

d0

here are some examples of ffa angle-shooting aka "memeing" but also probably trying to place some seeds early on (those last two posts were also about charu)

Originally Posted by flashflash account

charu is literally howling

Originally Posted by flashflash account

oh hey roundbox is in this game
allegedly

Originally Posted by flashflash account

hate to be really serious on day 1 but this one feels forced

am not rolling with it personally

Originally Posted by flashflash account

lolcatting already xd

and roundbox's response to that

Originally Posted by roundbox

hate to break it to ya, but that's the case

I think that FFA is being a bit harsh on Charu saying that he's going as far as lolcatting. It's hardly the end of the phase, and I think we all know that Charu is everybird's favorite Top Poster.

then ffa tries to angleshoot mml too, inquires about me and then goes back to charu (lol)

Originally Posted by flashflash account

man game kinda dead

MML calling me out as a town tell fits in an aggressive pocketing framing

I'm wondering if bugkid is having a "I always scum read ffa when they're town so this time maybe they're town" moment, maybe not

charu is scummy, relative to the state of the game
I'd rather lynch someone who isn't posting as frequently as them tho

here is roundbox's initial reads list:
(rb got a lot of flack for voting mcdaddio but i saw it as a pressure vote so she'd talk more, so i had no issue with it at the time and i still don't)

Originally Posted by roundbox

now that people have checked in, who deserves to check out?

I feel pretty comfortable keeping FFA in for now. I think I'm just biased since he's pretty active, but it's a plus from some other start of games you've had when you've been distracted playing X. an effortful day 0, perhaps.

Lar is ???

Charu is fine too, I guess

it would be nice to see Arp post something more oriented towards reads. I know Arp mentioned that there's nothing much to do on d0, but I hope that's not a complete throwing up of the hands.

raeko is ???

Freezin is ???

bug liked a read of ffa's, but that's the most game related interaction other than bashing Charu for failing a discord spoiler

mcdaddio is a poster in this this thread. I do like our friend Jefferson Probst, though.

you know what? mcdaddio
who should have get their name tallied tonight?

i don't even remember being sus of freezin before yesterday which is just kind of funny to me. i don't remember what the "something not sitting right" even was but maybe i noticed some inconsistencies in the way he was talking vs voting

Originally Posted by bugkid666

something about voting freezin isn't sitting right with me even though i don't blame anyone who does decide to vote him, purely from an inactivity standpoint.

he said he'd be busy today and i think i'm willing to pass him through this phase. if he ends up being absent tomorrow just as much then i'll be much more inclined to vote him.

i gave rb a lot of flack for "protecting (potentially trying to pocket I don't know)" raeko but it feels more natural reading it back

Originally Posted by roundbox

what's got you buzzing about raeko?



re: raeko, I made the mistake of calling that wolfy the last couple of games. her wolf game has evolved, so this is just par for the course I feel for now

kind of hilarious charu thought rb was hinting at being town angel here when he was just talking about a character from a video game lmfao

Originally Posted by roundbox

2B or not 2B

I vote 2B

and I vote MixMasterLar

this is where ffa starts to flip flop. he goes from memeing on sussing charu to actually intending on voting for him

Originally Posted by flashflash account

I think I like the people on the charu wagon better so between mml and charu that's where I'd go, I think
but I'll keep looking

and then he does this:

Originally Posted by flashflash account

MML
your move

in the name of this:

Originally Posted by flashflash account

I am not going to vote charu tonight
top poster perks

this doesn't not make sense but its still a lil weird. if you're sus of someone I don't know why you'd decide to flip just because of post count, especially when mml gave his reason as to why he was going to be gone (which btw had no intention of being continually MIA for the rest of the game)

i'm not sure if the below post is something that feels more townie or more wolfy but i thought that it was interesting at the very least

Originally Posted by flashflash account

I feel like threadstate rn is a bunch of townies with no real reads or leads
tomorrow we'll know whether this game is super easy or super hard

he never elaborated why he didn't want charu to die, but im going to assume it was the same reason as ffa OR he was offended by me fear killing him (lol)

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

I was expecting more flak for an arp vote.

I don't really like either of the wagons but I don't want Charu to die d0 so

mml

and here is the votecount from that night

Originally Posted by bugkid666

D0
votecount:
charu (2)- bugkid, arp
lar (4)- charu, roundbox, raeko, freezin
Freezin (1)- lar
Raeko (1)- mcdaddio
Roundbox (1)- ffa

[bugkid666]

sorry for the long post, i know its annoying

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

this is where ffa starts to flip flop. he goes from memeing on sussing charu to actually intending on voting for him

and then he does this:

[insert ffa voting for MML here]

in the name of this:

[insert ffa explaining that charu has high poster privileges here]

this doesn't not make sense but its still a lil weird. if you're sus of someone I don't know why you'd decide to flip just because of post count, especially when mml gave his reason as to why he was going to be gone (which btw had no intention of being continually MIA for the rest of the game)

i think the most important thing we can take from this interaction is that he ends up voting for roundbox which is really bizarre

[flashflash account]

The vote on mml was never going to stay, it was an attempt to get mcdaddio to commit to something
Hope that helps

[flashflash account]

I still can't shake the feeling that roundbox slipped last night
it's so weird for town to think that wolf freezin would join you on a mikey lynch

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by flashflash account

hate to be really serious on day 1 but this one feels forced

am not rolling with it personally

this is in reaction to Charu asking to be read green
first game-relevant interaction
this is mostly just for future reference, a read like this is fine early in the game.

Originally Posted by bugkid666

this pleases me greatly

bug agrees with FFA's call-out of Charu. bug has already stated their intention of voting Charu into the ground.
it's d0, anything goes for suspicion in these early stages

Originally Posted by flashflash account

I might also need to make it clear that I enjoy your posts and am just trying to play along with them

FFA clarifies their suspicion on Charu was but a passing thing
(in retrospect, I completely misread the lolcatting thing)

Originally Posted by roundbox

I feel pretty comfortable keeping FFA in for now. I think I'm just biased since he's pretty active, but it's a plus from some other start of games you've had when you've been distracted playing X. an effortful day 0, perhaps.

bug liked a read of ffa's, but that's the most game related interaction other than bashing Charu for failing a discord spoiler

I confirm that I was townreading FFA pretty early on. I liked how he explained his post regarding Lar and the pocketing stance. Both of them had pretty good responses.
As for bug, this means they didn't contribute much. It isn't really phrased like a wolflean, more like "this is all I have, but it's something"

Originally Posted by bugkid666

you're not behaving any differently than you normally do imo so i wasn't really even considering you as an option to vote today. that's funny that you remember me saying that though (because i didn't even remember me saying that until now)

you're not really on my radar today at all

i think as for d0 the most sus in my mind might be raeko only because she hasn't given much of her own opinion and instead is giving excuses for other players. i'm not sure if that's typical for her, but it's not her "inactivity" that's bothering me, it's the content of the posts she has made that are a lil weird.

i'm still voting charu tho i'm not sorry about it

the first part of this post is bug's read on FFA. they place FFA off the table for the time being (90 minutes before EOD)
they then clarify to Lar that raeko is their second option after Charu, specifically for raeko defending others. Don't know if this is relevant yet considering bug didn't vote raeko on the day of her death

Originally Posted by bugkid666

something about voting freezin isn't sitting right with me even though i don't blame anyone who does decide to vote him, purely from an inactivity standpoint.

he said he'd be busy today and i think i'm willing to pass him through this phase. if he ends up being absent tomorrow just as much then i'll be much more inclined to vote him.

bug mentions that freezin's inactivity can be given a pass
if there's something bug says that contradicts this (in regards to MML), that's worth noticing, but it is worth pointing out that they specifically name freezin here

Originally Posted by bugkid666

and this is fair, i'm grasping at straws here and nothing else really stands out to me

me voting charu isn't just a meme tho. as a player, he kinda freaks me out. i can NEVER read him (not that i can read anyone particularly well) but i really really can't read him

bug defends their scumread on Charu, citing being unable to read Charu, and Charu makes them freak out.

Originally Posted by flashflash account

I think I like the people on the charu wagon better so between mml and charu that's where I'd go, I think
but I'll keep looking

bug was the only person on the Charu wagon. Charu was the only person on MML, so this follows that logic.

Originally Posted by flashflash account

MML
your move

again, I meet this quote, and I want to emphasize the wagon context when this was posted.
Lar (4) - Charu, roundbox, Freezin, flashflash_account
freezin's unvote was immediately after FFA voted. I do not want to seem like I'm misconstruing this part. there was no danger of insta at all. however, if you consider one more vote coerced from mcdaddio who had just posted her pondering of the Charu/MML decision, then it looks much worse

Originally Posted by bugkid666

absolutely not

bug clarifies the fear of Charu

Originally Posted by flashflash account

I am not going to vote charu tonight
top poster perks

FFA posts this soon after, their vote still on MML. it seems like he's headed in that direction, but this goes against joining bug on the Charu wagon like he had indicated earlier

Originally Posted by flashflash account

I'm going back to rbx
call it a vibe
roundbox

then he dips

Originally Posted by flashflash account

this seems to be the only thing close to a read arp had

day begins, and FFA nicely unearths arp's reads. it was only one read, but listening to the dead is good.

Originally Posted by flashflash account

feel like it's charu+rbx tbh

I'm out of town tonight and busy from about 6-10 pm, but I'll catch up in the hour between that ending and phase end

I'm assuming arp's read had something to do with this since Arp was voting Charu, but FFA just gave Charu a convenient pass, maybe not to get his hands dirty and vote off wagon? he still susses Charu, but now the stakes are lower since it's not EOD

Originally Posted by bugkid666

i think the best thing we can do today is def vote charu : )

I don't know how serious this is given the smiley face
(I can understand nuance)

Originally Posted by flashflash account

game's slow today ig

I'm okay with voting charu at the moment, got a whole day ahead tho

agrees with bug, not really positing much
I'm assuming it's from a continue townread of bugkid?

Originally Posted by bugkid666

thinking back on it, this bussing is slightly sus

I'll have to post this separately for bug's visibility to clarify: is this a sus against FFA? you never clarified

Originally Posted by bugkid666

is it weird that i'd rather solve roundbox? cuz I don't know

bug floats voting me, making both people alive in this F3 have me in their sights at some point. oof.

Originally Posted by flashflash account

Im still okay with charu or rbx

Arp death can really only implicate charu afaict

I feel like the connection between charu and round box is just kind of there and not specifically indicated by anything
They rub off of each other and voted MML together, idk

FFA puts his money where his mouth is and votes Charu, but links us together solely for the fact that we both voted Lar together. raeko and Freezin also voted Lar, so it's unfortunate they get left out of this consideration

Originally Posted by bugkid666

not to be revenge-charu-pilled but killing arp would be theoretically very out of character for him since he loooooves arp *sus bells going off* and therefore a good move

bug fuels a WIFOM theory after Charu starts to accrue votes

Originally Posted by bugkid666

i was losing steam after d0 memeing and other people like ffa were sticking out to me more than charu was. then i remembered that the arp kill would be extremely convenient for charu for a couple reasons

they continue to push it after voting Charu

Originally Posted by flashflash account

Grrr I keep coming back to roundbox
They're usually so towny to me and now they arent. I know it's been a while since we've played together tho

still wanting another explanation of this

Originally Posted by bugkid666

ffa and raeko kind of just going along for the ride and agreeing with people without formulating concrete opinions is making me feel weird

mcdaddio asking questions to everyone without putting much of her own opinions out there feels very safe to me, but not worth my vote yet

i like when freezin gets to be present in a twg game

bug scumreads FFA and raeko, but thankfully picks FFA with me in the end
might also be important here to highlight their read of Freezin which sounds like a townread on him just for his activity

Originally Posted by flashflash account

FreezinIce can be my top town ig idc
Time to commit a bit and stop being afraid to be wrong

FFA also townreads Freezin shortly after

both bug and FFA post scumreads of Charu right before he reveals, but I didn't feel like quoting those posts because I'm getting tired of copy and pasting at this point. can you blame me? have you seen the size of this novel?

Originally Posted by bugkid666

ffa goddamnit charu i hate you i hate you i hate you

bug reacts quickly, but it's mechanical

Originally Posted by flashflash account

Uh
Heckin idk uh mcdaddio

as does FFA, joining Freezin on his wagon on mcdaddio

Originally Posted by bugkid666

ffa or roundbox i guess ?

bug proposes this difficult proposition considering both FFA and myself were starting to scumread each other at this point

Originally Posted by flashflash account

raeko

FFA again follows Freezin and joins Charu on raeko. following Freezin noted, but joining claimed Charu is also noted. pretty safe cover

Originally Posted by bugkid666

i can't vote roundbox in conditions like this but let it be known that him protecting raeko feels unconventional

suspicion is noted
I know you reverse your interpretation of my raeko read later

Originally Posted by flashflash account

Unattainable
Not like you've been offering much either all things considered

FFA said evidence for his reads was unattainable and I hadn't been offering much

Originally Posted by flashflash account

Freezin
Mcdaddio
Bugkid
Roundbox

Later today I'll reread and try to eliminate pairings. Maybe that'll be more effective this game than trying to read people

did this happen?

Originally Posted by flashflash account

FreezinIce being a wolf would break my heart and maybe my brain too cause they've been the only person in this game consistently making good posts
Roundbox accused me of "floundering", was the word I think, but that describes this whole game accurately enough

FFA considers Freezin after bug posted about him (votecount)
how was I floundering??

Originally Posted by flashflash account

would freezin bus bugkid here?
I think so
I don't think that's what's happening at all but I do think wolf freezin would be capable of it

everything they're doing today screams town to me, in fact

FFA, you did consider wolf!bugkid yesterday here
you didn't say you were taking to heart, but you at least did juggle the possibility in your mind

Originally Posted by flashflash account

after rereading I still think bugkid looks towny
I give up

product of the reread was... this

Originally Posted by flashflash account

yes! let's kill roundbox!

you want to kill me

Originally Posted by bugkid666

after mcdaddio claimed, i was full ready to vote between ffa and roundbox but now freezin has me messed up >(((( damn you

bug wanted to kill me and FFA but Freezin pulled them away

Originally Posted by bugkid666

freezin

this could be a confident shot as a bus, knowing they were communicating with mcdaddio in neighbor chat now, but they still had to net one more vote
I think this looks more towny than a calculated bus

that was a lot of words
bug has a few questionable moves like tunneling Charu at the start, but their transition to voting Freezin felt pretty natural
FFA's vote on MML, shift to me, and pulling away from Charu on D0 really have me feeling like he's the choice over bug.
I'm glad I reread

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by flashflash account

I still can't shake the feeling that roundbox slipped last night
it's so weird for town to think that wolf freezin would join you on a mikey lynch

what do you mean?
since he's a wolf, joining me on voting you can't be considered self-pres? I was loudly communicating my intention to vote for you
can only town don the mantle of being able to get away with self-pres, like you did by voting for raeko?

feels a little hypocritical

[roundbox]

taking a break, but I'll be around later for sure

[bugkid666]

d1

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Rip arp

I don't really want to vote Charu but I think the mml wagon is the best chance at finding a wolf

Raeko: only real noticeable thing is I havnt seen anything from her that rocks the boat. No really abrasive posts but then again she hasn't gotten much pressure either so ???

Roundbox: just seems to be info posting mostly, the preemptively vote from FFA yesterday was pretty juiced, I'd like for him to explain exactly what he sees from roundbox slot

freezin probing roundbox enough to get by while going a bit harder on ffa is an interesting thing to keep in mind

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Actually I just realized it was mostly a gut feeling when I thought the mml wagon must have a wolf, there's no actual logic that is dictating that. If anything the counter wagon is what should be scrutinized (Charu)

But I don't want to do that so my brain warped reality and sent me on a side quest. Lol

mml: charu, roundbox, raeko, freezin
charu: bugkid, arp

interesting comment from a wolf huh?

Originally Posted by flashflash account

game's slow today ig

I'm okay with voting charu at the moment, got a whole day ahead tho

Originally Posted by bugkid666

thinking back on it, this bussing is slightly sus

(this is me referring to ffa's above post)

Originally Posted by flashflash account

Logged in my phone first try, no wrong password guesses lessgo

Where's mcdaddio

The bug/charu thing is getting weird

The card shop im at has scrooge mcduck card sleeves and deck box

I had a baked potato for lunch and it was so good that I ate another!

Round box who is your town circle

ffa majorly pushing on charu and then claiming its me vs charu is a good cover for him lol

Originally Posted by roundbox

trying to decide how to feel about ffa voting lar then backing off to vote me
by definition I don't like the vote on me, but that doesn't mean ffa is a wolf. ffa still needs to explain their read on me in some detail
but backing off of lar to vote a wagon that probably wasn't launching is a choice not to commit
why charu? and why charu + me?

example of ffa being wishy washy

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

What do you guys think of Freezi? He was Lar's vote

Originally Posted by roundbox

I feel like it's the worst of the Lar votes aside from probably my own

Originally Posted by mcdaddio

i mean it seemed like MML was only going to vote him because of low-post stuff. that being said, the chili oil they were splashing around last night was spicy and chaotic to say the least

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

I agree but if Lar just happened to be right, maybe Freezi and his partner turned it around on him just in case?

this was an interesting thread of interactions. also we should have listened to raeko more, i think she had some really important insights

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

I think everyone getting pressure right now is a miss

Which makes the wolf team a pickem between mcdaddio, FFA, and bug

would freezin throw his partner under the bus?

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

FFA isn't really contributing to the stagnation, and roundbox hasn't caught any real pressure despite people talking it up.

So put roundbox and FFA on the same tier of suspicion, slightly lower than bugkid and mcdaddio.

Everyone else is ok I guess

this is my main predicament, freezin claims he feels the same way about roundbox and ffa

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Yeah, my first thought on the reread + me catching up is town is really stagnant right now, so I'm focusing on people who arnt really making their opinions clear or are just content to go after 1 person + are in a comfortable position atm.

So intitally that was bug mcdaddio and FFA.

I move roundbox up because the amount of fake pressure he's getting is pretty weird, not enough to put him at the top but enough for me to take notice. At the same time I downgraded FFA because while he hasn't really been pressured he is doing a lot of poking and questioning that I glossed over when I was thinking about posts.

All this happened pretty recently, so there isn't much progression besides what I've been recently posting

freezin again throwing more shade towards ffa while casually mentioning roundbox which would lend itself to the wolves being rb/freezin more so than ffa/freezin

Originally Posted by roundbox

I think mcdaddio is trending up
I agree with you on FFA
is he waiting for someone else to develop a case on me before he commits a vote?

more wishy washy ffa

Originally Posted by flashflash account

FreezinIce can be my top town ig idc
Time to commit a bit and stop being afraid to be wrong

this looks really bad for ffa

Originally Posted by Charu

For the record, I believe freezin and FFA are absolutely town, by the way.

charu's reads this game were really bad (sorry)

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

if we all just listened to you [freezin] that would be pretty scary if you are a wolf and one of them is your partner

raeko again making a fuck ton of sense and nobody listening to her

Originally Posted by flashflash account

Charu feels like the right thing to do to me
Whereas roundbox is the undisciplined decision

Kind of like yesterday with mml and rbx, I ended up on rbx that time

not sure if a wolf would bother going for rb at this point

Originally Posted by flashflash account

Uh
Heckin idk uh mcdaddio

aaaaaand immediately after saying he will vote charu despite wanting to vote roundbox he votes for...... mcdaddio

Originally Posted by roundbox

FFA cannot develop a consistent case and is floundering on whatever is convenient
smells of wolf

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

while it might be a bit of self pres at this point I agree overall he's been like this all game well before this point too

context: after ffa's vote for mcdaddio, he votes for raeko
roundbox AGAIN pointing out how wishy washy ffa is and then raeko reminding him that ffa's raeko vote is only for self pres HOWEVER it still lends to the idea that he has flip flopped seemingly without reason a lot

Originally Posted by bugkid666

D1
votecount:
raeko (4)- charu, freezin, ffa, mcdaddio
ffa (3)- roundbox, bugkid, raeko

[bugkid666]

summation of my observations:

ffa has flip-flopped A LOT and i don't think that is inherently indicative of a wolf however it doesn't look great. roundbox has been on ffa's ass the whole game basically.

based off of freezin's posts alone, freezin/rb wolf pair seems a lot more likely than freezin/ffa wolf pair

a few questions i have:

would it have been more beneficial for wolves to stack on MML or to stack on raeko? because one of those two things happened.

freezin/roundbox stacked mml (ffa voted for roundbox)

freezin/ffa stacked raeko (roundbox voted for ffa)

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by roundbox

I'll have to post this separately for bug's visibility to clarify: is this a sus against FFA? you never clarified

yes, i was implying that ffa was bussing charu simply because it was the easy decision at the time (after i had set my intention to keep my vote on him)