05-7-2007, 04:33 PM | #41 | |
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I mean, it's one thing to point out that you can't punish someone for a crime they -might- commit in the future, but its another to be functionally encouraging them to foster this sexual interest in little kids, but only think that's bad if they later on decide to act on it. Nobody in Canada has even been convicted on child porn charges for -just- lolicon style imagery, but the -vast- majority of people convicted of possession of child porn have -both- not -just- real kids. A connection between the two is there, and causal (Though I know someone is going to try and raise the usual and silly objection anyway) |
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05-7-2007, 04:41 PM | #42 | |
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05-7-2007, 04:54 PM | #43 |
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The only problem with loli is its connections to CP, and how the former might lead to the latter.
Do you really think that making loli illegal would at all reduce the CP problem enough to justify the blow delivered to free speech? Such a law would only target people who had never been exposed to loli or CP, who saw the loli and liked it, only looked at it because it was legal, did NOT find CP morally objectionable or have an issue with its being illegal, and decided to go after the CP for greater sexual gratification. Anyone else would either go after or refuse to touch CP regardless of whether or not the loli was legal. Am I missing something? --Guido http://andy.mikee385.com |
05-7-2007, 04:57 PM | #44 | |
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yay, Guido and I can agree on something!
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05-7-2007, 06:30 PM | #45 |
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Shox, Loli is illegal for registered sex offenders.
I forgot the guy's name, but he's in jail now. He ordered loli manga from Japan and it was intercepted at the airport and confiscated. He had a criminal background as a sex offender, so he was punished. |
05-7-2007, 08:10 PM | #46 |
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It seems like I was able to start off a lively debate. I think basically anyone should be allowed to do whatever they want so long as it does not infringe upon another persons rights and does not harm the environment. I'm not a huge fan of this sort of thing but hey, it's not bothering me if some creepy fifty year old is doing some hand to gland combat in his mothers basement to a crudely drawn five year old. That's his business. Now if the artist had a five year old pose... that is a different story...
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05-7-2007, 09:51 PM | #47 | |
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It's like with drugs. If someone is interested in drugs, they'll probably try alcohol or marijuana first. However, if they didn't know about these, they'd just try coke or speed or meth.
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You've also continued to ignore the fundamental question in play behind the whole subject: What's wrong about lolicon, or about looking at lolicon, IN AND OF ITSELF? |
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05-8-2007, 12:02 PM | #49 |
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I mean, as a means of doing so, I prefer that lolicon exist over child porn, but the lesser of two evils, while lesser, isn't therefore -good- |
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05-8-2007, 12:26 PM | #51 |
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Please follow the rules of the forum listed as a sticky at the top of the forum section. Even in context of the discussion I have no idea what this post was supposed to signify, and it doesn't really contribute anything to the discussion at hand.
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05-8-2007, 12:44 PM | #52 |
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Look, all I've heard from this entire conversation is:
Pro-Lolis: "Looking at Lolicon isn't a crime because we're not acting on our desires but expressing them in another medium." While the other side is saying: Con-Lolis: "It doesn't matter, the fact that you are looking at Loli is wrong because it presents the chance that the action could be carried out by those who want to." Well you know what I think? Lolicon are drawings of naked children engaged in sexual acts. It is drawn by people who find the art engaging and exhilirating. It is not mine or your place to judge anyone despite your moralistic views. If you want to condemn Lolicon then go ahead and condemn the enitre Italian Renaissance for painting naked Cherubs aka. Children in their paintings. If you like Lolicon, okay. If you don't like lolicon, okay but don't try to explain why we shouldn't like it and why you're right and were wrong. As long as the medium is being used and is not expressed in a violent way towards children, it's fair game. GG Crit Thinking. GG.
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05-8-2007, 12:50 PM | #53 | |
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There's a reason that before something in this medium can be called obscene, it is subjected to a test that includes, among other things, an investigation into the artistic worth of the piece in question, as well as whether 'in the opinion of the population at large' it portrays something objectionable. Plenty of parents have photos of their baby in the bathtub, or running around the house with no diaper on. But to say that simply because it contains a naked child it is the same as a picture of a little kid being portrayed overtly sexually really doesn't work for me. |
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05-8-2007, 01:07 PM | #55 | |
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05-8-2007, 01:08 PM | #56 | |
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It's not something anyone can explain, so I won't bother. Rest assured, it totally belongs in this thread even if it's a CT thread. |
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As I said, potentially several pages ago: For a large segment of the forum population, this whole discussion is a non issue. If you, personally, subjectively think that the -only- thing wrong with child porn as opposed to adult pornography is that children aren't able to make an intelligent reasoned decision to participate, then this whole discussion is moot, because obviously you won't see anything wrong with something that removes that sole objection. There also appears to me to be no way to convince such a person that there is something intrinsically wrong with children in an overtly sexual context because if you don't believe that something can be intrinsically right or wrong, there is no way to provide you proof that you will accept. |
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05-8-2007, 01:21 PM | #58 | |
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All the valid points have been beaten to death, and the only thing I have left to add is how odd it is that what was once a name, Lolita, is now a genre, all thanks to one book. ps did you not notice that I am a moderator pps it's a 4chan reference to cp |
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05-8-2007, 01:23 PM | #59 |
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05-8-2007, 01:32 PM | #60 |
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And that I probably don't just go around spamming CT topics with irrelevant posts without good reason.
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