Ingame Song Information - Page 200

**One Winged Angel** · 09-9-2011, 09:49 PM

Hey, it's not like my judgment is the iron rule or anything lmao, I posted that frame to spark discussions~

**rushyrulz** · 09-9-2011, 09:50 PM

Switch summer time perfume and Lawn Wake and u got a list :P

**psychoangel691** · 09-9-2011, 09:51 PM

Mommy duty called so I wont be done for a while.

**qqwref** · 09-9-2011, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimerax

Difference between RATO and vrofl are quite huge but only 1 difficulty difference?

Why not? vrofl needs to be at the top of the scale (or slightly above it), and RATO is the hardest song in FFR other than that. I don't really see a need to make space between those songs if we won't use it.

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Originally Posted by jimerax

Also, we need to solve "difficulty distribution" issue. We have too many 8-11 songs compared to like, 2-5.
That means we have to put the median difficulty song (I think this is "Challenging") on around 50.

I don't think the difficulty of the average FFR song should necessarily be in the exact middle of the difficulty range (although if that happens it's fine). We should use difficulty ranges that feel natural based on the songs.

**Elite Ninja** · 09-9-2011, 09:57 PM

I luled seeing Skeletor being an 87 XD. Only because I have 4-0-0-0 on it haha but I guess it's really hard for other people.

justin_ator · 09-9-2011, 10:01 PM

Well I mean I just got 8-0-0-2 on Reality and 10-0-2-2 on Nomina Nuda Tenemus, so really we can't base these at all off of our personal scores...

**One Winged Angel** · 09-9-2011, 10:03 PM

lol pretty much what justin said hahaha, I nailed Skeletor third try but the scoreboard's still an absolute disaster

The ending definitely throws it into that 86/87 region as the list is right now, regardless of whether or not you're jumptrilling it

Also yeah rushy, on second look, you're right about that switch (probably should've checked it over a few times but I wanted opinions as soon as possible~)

**Elite Ninja** · 09-9-2011, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justin_ator

Well I mean I just got 8-0-0-2 on Reality and 10-0-2-2 on Nomina Nuda Tenemus, so really we can't base these at all off of our personal scores...

Im not saying it should be moved down or anything. It just goes to show how its pretty difficult to judge the actual difficulty of a song that is strictly made for a player with the ability to jack, trill, or whatever it is. Props for the hardwork you guys are putting into this.

justin_ator · 09-9-2011, 10:09 PM

Amen to that

**jimerax** · 09-9-2011, 10:57 PM

So when pretty hard songs are added (say, something like grist gamma), it will have to be with RATO or vrofl, and they aren't even close in terms of difficulty.

It will be the same issue as current one (low 12s vs high 12s), and it's pretty sad to have the same issue on such a detailed scale.

ps It's ok if you hate blank, we can just re-do difficulties around these songs when they are added anyways.
yeah not many songs on this range will be added.

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Originally Posted by qqwref

I don't think the difficulty of the average FFR song should necessarily be in the exact middle of the difficulty range (although if that happens it's fine). We should use difficulty ranges that feel natural based on the songs.

By this comment I don't see why you're against my idea and what you want to do on this ("natural based" can be explained). Like current difficulties, if some difficulty range is pretty sparse and the other is pretty dense, they can be fixed, if not perfectly even (sry I still think this is one of the most important things when we re-do difficulties).

lowest 13 - 97
lowest 12 - 84
lowest 11 - 72
lowest 10 - 60
lowest 9 - 50
lowest 8 - 41
lowest 7 - 33
lowest 6 - 26
lowest 5 - 20
lowest 4 - 14
lowest 3 - 8
lowest 2 - 2
lowest 1 - 1

My idea so far (can be adjusted though)

**One Winged Angel** · 09-9-2011, 11:01 PM

If we're honestly going to be putting songs more difficult than RATO in-game, RATO'll go down to 95 and the rest of the numbers can be adjusted accordingly

**rushyrulz** · 09-9-2011, 11:17 PM

speaking of coactive over my shoulder mix, I'm starving for some support tokens. Anyone know anything about when they'll be released?

Poptronix · 09-9-2011, 11:59 PM

o sick then I got one of the hardest FMOs as my ONI GETTTTTTT

;] I'm proud

**ic0slay3r** · 09-10-2011, 12:39 AM

Will more difficulties be added after organizing this list?

**qqwref** · 09-10-2011, 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimerax

By this comment I don't see why you're against my idea and what you want to do on this ("natural based" can be explained). Like current difficulties, if some difficulty range is pretty sparse and the other is pretty dense, they can be fixed, if not perfectly even (sry I still think this is one of the most important things when we re-do difficulties).

I dunno, I guess it feels a bit weird to be compressing the lower level difficulties when those matter most for people who are learning to play the game. (IMO the upper level difficulties kind of don't matter, because a good player will get a feel for what they can get on the chart and what rank that is anyway.) It would be nice to have an open-ended scale where we can keep the lower-level difficulties but increase the spread of the higher level songs a bit too.

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Originally Posted by rushyrulz

speaking of coactive over my shoulder mix, I'm starving for some support tokens. Anyone know anything about when they'll be released?

There are no plans to release them. All the admins are busy doing other stuff IIRC.

**Xayphon** · 09-10-2011, 06:51 AM

I like where this is going

Thanks for all the effort guys -

**yo man im awesome** · 09-10-2011, 09:30 AM

I think you should switch Mario Minor with 4 Chord, and bring either Big Blue or Momentary Life up and bring Toxiferous Dystopia down. Those jacks are nothing special, they're pretty much the same as PCS or Op. 10.

stavie33 · 09-14-2011, 02:28 AM

This seems way off, I can't believe you have some of those songs anywhere near where you put them, it's ridiculous. I'm going to revise it and ask for comparison opinions, because some of those placements just seem way off, regardless of bias.

I'm going to bold the ridiculous ones and tell you the number I think they should be in:

Next post I'm making the list with my opinionated corrections, as I feel this seems randomly tossed together, idk OWA, you are a better player than me, and probably better at rating songs, but this feels nuts out of wack.

Here is my list:

78

Heavenly Spores
Going On Spring Wind
Novo Mundo
Choprite
Puzzle
Arrogant Cobbler
Kanon Medley ~Metal Wings~
Disconnected Hardkore
Epidermis
300

79

Thrash
JULIAN
I’m Sick of Uprock
Clockwork
Midnight Dragon
Battle Theme #37
Grocery Escape Plan
Largiloquent Dithyramb
Black Key Etude
Lawn Wake I
Melonman’s OP
PianoCore
Jeanie and Caroline
Hajnal

80

Rottel-da-station
Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star (this song has never been that hard, check AAA count)
Variations 2
Summer Time Perfume
Strangeprogram
Blue-Violet
Op.10 No.9
Floating Hour
Church Bells
Minute Waltz v2
World Tour 2004

81

Staring at my Spaceship
The Divine Suicide of K [Heavy]
Radio Heads
Nanairopanda v2
Scythe of 13
INFINITY Hyperspace
Marisa Stole The Precious Thing
Dance and Zeal
Club
JULIA
Distorted God

82

Document 13b
Over the Ocean
Yorukumoryuu Yamikaze
Overdrive
Setsujou! Hyakka Ryouran!
Night and Day
Gaussian Blur
Starwolf
Cinnamon Roll
BB Evolution

83

Master Maid
Aim Burst
Famicom Selecta
Kyrie
Dendrite v2
AIM Anthem
October
Brandish Headless
Perfect Cherry Storm
Final Fantasy Last Battle Festival

84

Otaku Speedvibe [Oni]
Flight of the Bumblebee
RunnyMorning (SGX Mix)
Piano Etude (Demon Fire)
Dead and Direct
Caprice
3020
Mario Minor
Bloodmeat [Heavy]

85

Hellhounds On My Trail
Blindfolds Aside
Of course you Need and…NEED ME
4 Chord Touhou
bmv.578
Big Blue
Momentary Life
Silly Symphony
BB Revenge
Flesvelka

86

Toxiferous Dystopia
Skeletor
Eradication
Ripoff
Piano Concerto 1 ‘ANTI-ARES’ (For Kirby)
Piano Etude (Gymnastics)
He’s A Radical Rat

I feel this is a much more accurate list, with around 10 songs per difficulty. It seems to flow more logically too, I have no idea how songs like World Tour and Staring at my Spaceship were above PCS

Quote:

Originally Posted by One Winged Angel

Aite kids, ordered the most difficult files in the game (in b4 subjective shitstorm)

I put a lot of thought into this and tried to be as objective as possible (trying to analyze how specific patterns/length/tps/etc. truly affected the difficulty of each file) but obviously there's still gonna be some discrepancy~

Also, each time I run down the list, I see a few songs that I think should probably be switched around...but hey, that's why I'm posting this here (and I think I got it kinda close)

Anyways, here:

Didn't add numbers yet either since the gap between a file like Revo and DP is pretty massive, yet they're only four songs apart on my list

Also in b4 everyone bitches about how far down Blue Rose is

And lmfao throw Crowdpleaser wherever the **** you guys want because I honestly have no idea where to put it

working on FMOs now~

This also feels way off to what I'd think the general players would feel. La Camp is way too low, and I don't know anyone who thinks Blue Rose is harder than 11Eleven. Obejectively, I'd like to hear how Blue Rose and 12 Bar are higher than Kidney Stone, one of the standard high FGO starting points, and how Einstein Rosen Bridge is easier than Integraation. Both have few hardparts, Bridge has more and they are way harder. The higher I get in the list the weirder it gets. What justifies Planet Karma, a previously considered 85, so unbelievably high above 87 and 88's in difficulty (above Necropotence and Hardkore wut?). Pattern wise, all this makes less sense to me as songs with the same patterns but way harder are listed easier than their simpler counterparts. I'll redo this list tomorrow as well, as I feel it needs major fixing. I'm curious to people's opinions on both lists.

My fix would be:

**qqwref** · 09-14-2011, 10:55 AM

stavie, do you not understand the concept of opinions? It seems like every time someone disagrees with you, even on a completely minor point like one difficulty point on a 1-99 scale, you say their idea is "ridiculous" or "way too low/high" and that you "have no idea" how they had their opinion. I mean, come ON.

**psychoangel691** · 09-14-2011, 11:03 AM

I am still going to go through and do a re-rate on all, just been busy with a few other things lately. I'll try to get AJ to team up with me later on this when he gets home cause it's nice to have someone else to bounce it off of for opinion.

09-9-2011, 09:50 PM	#3982
rushyrulz Digital Dancing! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 80 billion club, NE Age: 31 Posts: 12,980	Re: Ingame Song Information Switch summer time perfume and Lawn Wake and u got a list :P __________________

09-9-2011, 09:57 PM	#3985
Elite Ninja Kawaii Desu Difficulty Consulting Cat Join Date: Mar 2007 Age: 30 Posts: 4,811	Re: Ingame Song Information I luled seeing Skeletor being an 87 XD. Only because I have 4-0-0-0 on it haha but I guess it's really hard for other people. __________________

09-9-2011, 10:01 PM	#3986
justin_ator 🥓<strong><span style="col Resident Overseer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kingsport, TN Posts: 7,648	Re: Ingame Song Information Well I mean I just got 8-0-0-2 on Reality and 10-0-2-2 on Nomina Nuda Tenemus, so really we can't base these at all off of our personal scores... __________________

09-9-2011, 10:09 PM	#3989
justin_ator 🥓<strong><span style="col Resident Overseer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kingsport, TN Posts: 7,648	Re: Ingame Song Information Amen to that __________________

09-9-2011, 11:17 PM	#3992
rushyrulz Digital Dancing! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 80 billion club, NE Age: 31 Posts: 12,980	Re: Ingame Song Information speaking of coactive over my shoulder mix, I'm starving for some support tokens. Anyone know anything about when they'll be released? __________________

09-9-2011, 11:59 PM	#3993
Poptronix Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 82	Re: Ingame Song Information o sick then I got one of the hardest FMOs as my ONI GETTTTTTT ;] I'm proud

09-10-2011, 12:39 AM	#3994
ic0slay3r Falangel <3 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Puerto Rico Age: 33 Posts: 2,309	Re: Ingame Song Information Will more difficulties be added after organizing this list? __________________ AAA:531 Best AAAs: Be Princess \| Happy Happy Shining Star!! \| XP Sounds Attempt \| BB Euro \| Gacha Gacha Cute Figu atto Mate \| It's Only Natural \| Shihen \| Epic Best non-AAAs: Summer Time Perfume (6-0-0-0), The Divine Suicide of K (5-0-0-0), Strangeprogram (4-0-0-0), Going On Spring Wind (3-0-0-1) Lawn Wake I (2-0-0-2), Rottel-da-station (0-0-0-1) # of BF: 42 -------

09-10-2011, 06:51 AM	#3996
Xayphon sausage Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,630	Re: Ingame Song Information I like where this is going Thanks for all the effort guys -

09-14-2011, 10:55 AM	#3999
qqwref stepmania archaeologist Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 34 Posts: 4,090	Re: Ingame Song Information stavie, do you not understand the concept of opinions? It seems like every time someone disagrees with you, even on a completely minor point like one difficulty point on a 1-99 scale, you say their idea is "ridiculous" or "way too low/high" and that you "have no idea" how they had their opinion. I mean, come ON. __________________ Best AAA: Policy In The Sky [Oni] (81) Best SDG: PANTS (86) Best FC: Future Invasion (93)

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