[Concluded] Psychoangel691 hosts a tourney

[Lavadoom4]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

I don't like to DQ anyone, but I truly feel as though he cheated in this. At one point he complained about the songs being too easy and I offered for him to move to D2, he didn't take it. There's a lot of suspicious behavior.

I didn't move to D2 because i wanted to win the first tournament I ever played in, and i knew if i was moved to D2 I would get last place. Likewise, why would I post a fake score on a song, if I had already won the tournament in the first place.

[Kanzas]

Originally Posted by Lavadoom4

I didn't move to D2 because i wanted to win the first tournament I ever played in, and i knew if i was moved to D2 I would get last place. Likewise, why would I post a fake score on a song, if I had already won the tournament in the first place.

Don't you know that winning isn't everything, especially considering this was a no elimination style?

EDIT: EVERYONE IS A WINNER!

[Lavadoom4]

Originally Posted by Kanzas

Don't you know that winning isn't everything, especially considering this was a no elimination style?

Yes, but my point is, why would i try to increase my score falsely with a risk of getting eliminated after I had already won. And ask you can read earlier the only reason i refused D2 was because I wanted to win the tournament.

[Kanzas]

Originally Posted by Lavadoom4

Yes, but my point is, why would i try to increase my score falsely with a risk of getting eliminated after I had already won. And ask you can read earlier the only reason i refused D2 was because I wanted to win the tournament.

I am quite aware of your unaccepted participation in D2...


ANYWHO, DOWN TO BWESSNESS!
Better, but still not SDG'd

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by Lavadoom4

Yes, but my point is, why would i try to increase my score falsely with a risk of getting eliminated after I had already won. And ask you can read earlier the only reason i refused D2 was because I wanted to win the tournament.

It's not some terrible thing to want to win, Lava.

It's just that if you knew you weren't D1 for a while and stayed *just* to win, then that's unfair to those who are actually D1 players.

I don't think Lava knew that this was against the rules at all, looking at what he wrote now.

[Kanzas]

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

It's not some terrible thing to want to win, Lava.

It's just that if you knew you weren't D1 for a while and stayed *just* to win, then that's unfair to those who are actually D1 players.

I don't think Lava knew that this was against the rules at all, looking at what he wrote now.

I'll second that, and I'm not saying I completely doubt his ability to AAA the file, but just to show his *true* skills at the last round was a bit unnecessary. And also, that he refused D2... I mean, the whole point IS to challenge yourself and get better. Right?

[Lavadoom4]

Originally Posted by Kanzas

I'll second that, and I'm not saying I completely doubt his ability to AAA the file, but just to show his *true* skills at the last round was a bit unnecessary. And also, that he refused D2... I mean, the whole point IS to challenge yourself and get better. Right?

I'm not good enough for D2 I tried to play the final round D2 song and i got 90+ goods on it and multiple misses. Likewise if I were to leave for D2 Red blaster would get an automatic win or be bumped up to D2 aswell, which neither of us are ready for.

[Kanzas]

Originally Posted by Lavadoom4

I'm not good enough for D2 I tried to play the final round D2 song and i got 90+ goods on it and multiple misses. Likewise if I were to leave for D2 Red blaster would get an automatic win or be bumped up to D2 aswell, which neither of us are ready for.

Just because he would have 'won', does not mean he would get a bump into D2.

Also, your AAA of Glaciate is pretty much auto D2 anyways.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by Lavadoom4

I'm not good enough for D2 I tried to play the final round D2 song and i got 90+ goods on it and multiple misses. Likewise if I were to leave for D2 Red blaster would get an automatic win or be bumped up to D2 aswell, which neither of us are ready for.

That's something for the host to consider though. IIRC, there have been plenty of tournaments with just one person in them.

But I agree with the unanimous decision, sticking in a lower division just to win is unfair to players who were just trying to have fun.

THAT'S ALL THIS IS: FUN!

[blindreper1179]

I personally don't think I'm D5 yet, but I keep being put into it lately, but I don't bitch or complain. I try. Why wouldn't you except a higher division that's not a dramatic jump? D1 is for people who still are trying to understand the game, D2 is for people who knows what's going on. You're D2 regardless of the AAA.

[danceflashrevo]

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

Yeah, I think it's quite amazing actually how quickly people are improving with the new engines. Skill growth used to not be nearly as monumental, but I feel with the customizability of the new engines, anyone who really wants to get better definitely can, very quickly I've noticed. One of the members I recruited, loop123456, jumped up to D4 or D5 level in less than a year because he played the shit out of this game. Another one of my mentees, Riotpolice took a bit longer to get better, but in the end he ended up getting nearly as good as I am rather quickly (a couple years maybe). I wish I could have seen Lavadoom play a bit more since i can usually gauge if the player has potential when they're still pre-D1. Watch out for Mr.QuackBosley, guys he's getting pretty good for being a newer player.

I was d1 when saxrunner did his rates tourney and then was d4 when the official happened :3

[Lavadoom4]

I feel like this was something from the near beginning. When I said that the the D1 tournament songs were easy, It's not that they were extremely easy, its just that they were so easy that i did not want to repeatedly play them for the AAA, I only played enough to beat Red Blaster. I just happened to like the final song of the tournament, and I wanted to finish the tournament out strong with a AAA on the final song (I played it 200+ Times). Regardless of what i previously said, I do not believe that I am ready for D2, I tried to play the final D2 song and got 100 Goods at best. Even though I know I'm not ready for D2, if the tournament host believed that I was good enough, then they should have bumped me up anyways, regardless of my opinion. I am disappointed that my first tournament will be taken away from me because I was unaware of everything that I needed to be in D2.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Rapta

I pmd you after the post on this thread. I did not apparently fully read nor did I full understand your post specifically. Sorry if I was rude at all, i'm just a stupid child who needs to just stop.

Edit: I hope she actually read my PM, I literally posted an essay long thing witht still no response via PM ;-;

I'm sorry that I have irl crap to do and can't sit here for hours to read and respond to your PM. I've literally been on the phone most of the day fighting with our old apartment whom still hasn't returned our security deposit after more than 2 months. Found out they took over $600 to replace carpeting which makes no sense at all, and have been giving me a run around as to why I don't have the rest of my money or the list of things they took money for.
I also have been calling lawyers because what they're doing is not legal.
Then I proceeded to try to get some of the things done around my house that need to be done prior to AJ's mom flying in tomorrow, plus to prep for Ariana's first birthday on Saturday. I have a job interview to prep for, I've also got mounds of schoolwork to do.

So I'm so terribly sorry if your friend cheating a rhythm game is the last priority on my list.

Originally Posted by Lavadoom4

I'm not good enough for D2 I tried to play the final round D2 song and i got 90+ goods on it and multiple misses. Likewise if I were to leave for D2 Red blaster would get an automatic win or be bumped up to D2 aswell, which neither of us are ready for.

Apparently you are because you AAAd this file. Had you had that prior you would have been in D2.

I don't appreciate these types of comments

Originally Posted by Lavadoom4

dude if you can't see the edge of the 0's on that pic, then you're retarded. Which I am already fully convinced of, as the fact that these kids can't seem to use an ip tracker, account login information, or the amount of time i played the song before accusing me of crap. Learn to look into crap before you accuse.

I provided more than enough reason to DQ you from this tournament. You had the skill for D2 and you clearly didn't bother to show it until now. That is called sandbagging. Had you done this in the official you'd be gone.
Doesn't help your case any that there is someone that could come over and play for you, but that wasn't what I was really pushing on anyway.

Also for the record this "kid" is 29 years old with two kids, been hosting tournaments since 2009, been an admin on the site, and hosted more events on this site than I can count.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Lavadoom4

I feel like this was something from the near beginning. When I said that the the D1 tournament songs were easy, It's not that they were extremely easy, its just that they were so easy that i did not want to repeatedly play them for the AAA, I only played enough to beat Red Blaster. I just happened to like the final song of the tournament, and I wanted to finish the tournament out strong with a AAA on the final song (I played it 200+ Times). Regardless of what i previously said, I do not believe that I am ready for D2, I tried to play the final D2 song and got 100 Goods at best. Even though I know I'm not ready for D2, if the tournament host believed that I was good enough, then they should have bumped me up anyways, regardless of my opinion. I am disappointed that my first tournament will be taken away from me because I was unaware of everything that I needed to be in D2.

Enough, you didn't show the skill for me to bump you until now and even said you finally decided to try. Had you shown it earlier this could have been avoided. This is not my fault it is your own fault. I'll tell you right now if you plan on going into the official tournament expect to be D2. Also your 200 tries is BS as far as I can see because on your levelranks when I checked it before it was at like 40 and your screenshot shows no restarts.

I do not want anymore talk of this in the thread, enough is enough already. It's one thing if you want to dispute the DQ it's another to sit here and insult me in your posts.

[psychoangel691]

For everyone else in the tournament I apologize that you've had to deal with all this as well.

[Fantasticone]

I'd put all out and AAA my final song too if it was something easy like Rave 7 despite AAAing nothing, some people don't feel like playing things till they AAA.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Fantasticone

I'd put all out and AAA my final song too if it was something easy like Rave 7 despite AAAing nothing, some people don't feel like playing things till they AAA.

Your situation is not relevant, there is no higher division than what you are in. Either way I said no more talk of this.

Also Kansas you didn't have to delete that post

[Kanzas]

I Know :P I only posted to see how many people saw it before I deleted it

[TC_Halogen]

Lavadoom, you are being disrespectful to the tournament host. Everyone else, it's been said to discontinue responses to this situation.

Cases like this are reasons why tournament rules are going to be revamped in the near future, but I would like to be clear right off of the bat:

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Lavadoom:

1.) You are expected to perform at your best level (or as reasonably close as possible throughout the tournament). Attempting to mask your skill to receive a lower division placement is considering sandbagging, something that is not only generally frowned upon. This is incorrect information -- it is a referrer match, not an IP match.

2.) You entered a tournament on a brand new account that was created very close to the tournament's start date (within a month), with very few scores to back up any sort of divisional placement outside of D1. Improving at an extreme rate in that short of a time period is very possible, but you are claiming an extremely large playcount when both instances of your AAAs have been followed with not only no restarts, but also generally low playcounts in your level ranks as well. To further indicate things, you did not AAA any other song in the tournament, so nailing the last round under these circumstances is without question a red flag.

3.) A player capable of AAAing a song in the mid-20s is D2 under all circumstances -- the skill curve of D2 is rather large to accommodate for those who are not newer players with increased accuracy, something that D1 players do not have.

4.) An inability to perform well on the final round on the division that you belong in does not mean that you do not belong in that division. Speak to anyone who happens to be on the lower end of their division (cedo: D6, psychoangel: D5, CarrotCake: D3, etc) and they will likely point you to level ranks that are absolutely -horrible- in the ranges of these final rounds.

Given the situation and examination between Rapta's most recent plays and Lavadoom's most recent plays, they are using different settings, speed mods, screen cuts, and other various things. The unfortunate thing is that there is a massive skill disparity between the two players, with the lower level player generally using a lower speed mod (the opposite makes it very easy to see fradulent play). As such, it would be quite easy for Rapta to play for Lavadoom given the generally low density in files and generally low speed mods (again, the opposite would be much better as proof).

I do not think Lavadoom is having Rapta play for him, but I do generally agree that skill was being masked in an effort to just stay in a given division. To continue, Lavadoom mentioned that the songs were much too easy early on in the tournament, and yet continued to perform poorly. There are a number of red flags in this situation.

As usual, the tournament host reserves all rights to disallow users, as well as terminate users from play if they believe that something is being done unfairly.

[Kanzas]

That post ^ done like a bauss