TWG XC: Deja Vu

[FictionJunction]

arfo, you never wanted to kill freezin in the first place. ugh.

gun, back-off. You don't really have anything to threat us with.

[A2P]

Why are you folding gun? =(

[FreezinIce]

What i find interesting is how everyone is jumping down each others throats based on their posts. Yet when it comes to the 5-6 people who haven't posted yet, there has been absolutely nothing said. Why? It seems like the smartest thing for a wolf to do n1 is to watch the humans lynch themselves and not post at all, so why does there seem to be a complete lack of suspicion towards those individuals? Just throwing out something that i was thinking as i read through this topic.

[Ruritsu]

^Because wolves could very easily be active and blazon, and completely screw that logic over. By the by, I'll be on AIM all day, I know I've been busy, but I'm availible now.

By the by, I'm gonna safety red herring, because I want to hear him speak >.>

[Viccica]

gun



I don't like the defensive play at all. It seems like you're trying to switch up your tactic and not doing a very good job. And the only reason I can think of for you coming up with a poor defense for yourself is that you're a wolf trying to cover your hide...

[Gun92]

Yeah...thats it. Im trying to cover my wolfish hide alright. Good call >.>

[Gun92]

Originally Posted by FictionJunction

arfo, you never wanted to kill freezin in the first place. ugh.

gun, back-off. You don't really have anything to threat us with.

Back off of what? I'm not threatening you with anything...unless I've missed something.

[Gun92]

Originally Posted by A2P

Why are you folding gun? =(

Cause I'm magical, clearly.

[sc979]

I'll place a vote on panda for now.

Based on how he voted in the last game, that bandwagon vote doesn't seem right.

[Afrobean]

Originally Posted by FictionJunction

arfo, you never wanted to kill freezin in the first place. ugh.

Yes, I did, I just didn't have very much conviction.

[Viccica]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

What i find interesting is how everyone is jumping down each others throats based on their posts. Yet when it comes to the 5-6 people who haven't posted yet, there has been absolutely nothing said. Why? It seems like the smartest thing for a wolf to do n1 is to watch the humans lynch themselves and not post at all, so why does there seem to be a complete lack of suspicion towards those individuals? Just throwing out something that i was thinking as i read through this topic.

We can't condemn someone for not saying anything.

What we can grill people on is the way they react to accusations and such in the thread....

It makes more sense to keep pressure on people we can confirm as wolf or clear as a human through talking them down and.. well. Interrogating them. Why would we question people who clearly aren't here to defend themselves? That won't get us anywhere....

[Viccica]

Except a circle jerk of a safety fest, of course.

[Panda Express]

So Maaaaandy (lolol), I know I'm a bit late into this but you asked what I thought "Gun was onto" exactly. I think he's onto something with premature pressure. I'm normally adverse to it, seeing as it normally comes from Afro, but maybe I was so willing to jump onboard because the night phase was pretty drawn out, and I'm eager for things to start unfolding.

Also, after reading over past games so many times, I've realized that Gun often plays the silent type, and people grill him for it in the post game. He finally takes an avid stance, and people jump on him for it. At the same time, I've noticed theres like a hidden guideline that says apathetic humans = wolf, but I don't think this applies here, it honestly seems to be out of frustration.

Going to change my vote to a safety on Maki for the time being. My vote didn't seem to get the response from Freeze like I expected. He seems to be playing the observing type, rather than a reactive type

[Panda Express]

Also, at work and forgot my jump drive with Trillian on it. This computer has MSN on it, and I want to be more involved via chat. If you have MSN and are willing to use it to talk during my time of distress, PM me for MSN account name.

Pees? :D

[FictionJunction]

there's a difference between being an apathetic human and acting like one. Humans shouldn't be apathetic enough not to care about the game, but they shouldn't care about dying nor should they willingly throw their lives away and give up on them either.

The basic feel around a true, honest green is something you feel more than you can systematically explain.

[Panda Express]

So what you're saying, fic, is that believing than a green is green is all intuition?



I agree, I sincerely feel that Manti is a true, honest green.

[FreezinIce]

Alright, time to lay down what I've been contemplating for a while now.

Panda in my eyes is a wolf. The way he threw down that 3rd vote had an air of someone who is more than happy to lynch someone that's not themselves or another wolf. Yes that wasn't pressure, no matter how much you would like us to think otherwise. In fact that action has caused me to suspect gun of being a wolf as well. I will give you 2 potential scenarios of what i think happened.


Also, after reading over past games so many times, I've realized that Gun often plays the silent type, and people grill him for it in the post game. He finally takes an avid stance, and people jump on him for it. At the same time, I've noticed theres like a hidden guideline that says apathetic humans = wolf, but I don't think this applies here, it honestly seems to be out of frustration.

Going to change my vote to a safety on Maki for the time being. My vote didn't seem to get the response from Freeze like I expected. He seems to be playing the observing type, rather than a reactive type

Originally Posted by Panda Express

you asked what I thought "Gun was onto" exactly. I think he's onto something with premature pressure.

Scenario 1: Gun and Panda are both wolves. Gun lays down a random vote (GUT INSTINCT YEA) to see if it sticks. Afro joins in because that's what Afro does I guess. Panda then tries to push it all the way by turning "pressure" into a bandwagon vote, because hey whens the last time wolves cared about lynching a green based on absolutely no evidence? One problem though, and that's the foundation of the bandwagon (GUT INSTINCT YEA) which is almost non-existent. Gun panics as votes are thrown his and Panda's way, and starts on a tirade which seems to end in him accepting his lynching (?). Then Panda changes his vote into a safety on Maki, says i didn't react the way he thought i would to his vote (I wasn't aware that I reacted at all o_o) and subtly reinforces guns position by portraying him as a frustrated human who is just trying to play the game differently than he usually does. Smooth one Panda. Well not really.

Scenario 2: Gun is a human and Panda is a wolf. Gun tries to kick things off by randomly voting me. There was seemingly no logical reason to do so, but i don't begrudge him for that: you have to start somewhere right? Thats not the important thing anyways, whats important is that Panda decides to start a bandwagon and attempts to vaugely give substence to his vote by citing that "Gun was on to something." After he got tagged and called out for his bandwagon vote, he was asked to explain exactly what "Gun was on to".

Originally Posted by Panda Express

you asked what I thought "Gun was onto" exactly. I think he's onto something with premature pressure.

Whatever Gun was on too, it certainly wasn't pressure. I'm pretty sure that vote is the opposite of a pressure vote, considering that pressure votes are there to gauge someones reactions and not to ACTUALLY vote for them. Well if you noticed Panda, I reacted, and Guns vote is STILL ON ME. So therefore its safe to assume that Gun is actually going all the way and committing to voting for me. Then Gun goes on his rant, but only in this scenario hes genuinely frustrated and is human. Then Panda swoops in, changes his vote, covers his tracks, and reinforces his humanity (Lol) by providing a logical explanation to Guns adverse reaction to getting a few votes.

As you can see, those two scenarios are very different. But there's one thing that's the same in both of them. In both scenarios, Panda is a conniving wolf who is willing to lynch someone at the drop of a hat (GUT INSTINCT YEA), shows a patently wolfish disregard for anybody other than himself and other wolves, and just in general his mannerisms scream wolf to me.

Originally Posted by Panda Express

night phase was pretty drawn out, and I'm eager for things to start unfolding.

I bet you would be.

TL;DR Version: Panda

[FreezinIce]

Ew that came out super messy, let me repost:

Alright, time to lay down what I've been contemplating for a while now.

Panda in my eyes is a wolf. The way he threw down that 3rd vote had an air of someone who is more than happy to lynch someone that's not themselves or another wolf. Yes that wasn't pressure, no matter how much you would like us to think otherwise. In fact that action has caused me to suspect gun of being a wolf as well. I will give you 2 potential scenarios of what i think happened.

Scenario 1: Gun and Panda are both wolves. Gun lays down a random vote (GUT INSTINCT YEA) to see if it sticks. Afro joins in because that's what Afro does I guess. Panda then tries to push it all the way by turning "pressure" into a bandwagon vote, because hey whens the last time wolves cared about lynching a green based on absolutely no evidence? One problem though, and that's the foundation of the bandwagon (GUT INSTINCT YEA) which is almost non-existent. Gun panics as votes are thrown his and Panda's way, and starts on a tirade which seems to end in him accepting his lynching (?). Then Panda changes his vote into a safety on Maki, says i didn't react the way he thought i would to his vote (I wasn't aware that I reacted at all o_o) and subtly reinforces guns position by portraying him as a frustrated human who is just trying to play the game differently than he usually does. Smooth one Panda. Well not really.

Scenario 2: Gun is a human and Panda is a wolf. Gun tries to kick things off by randomly voting me. There was seemingly no logical reason to do so, but i don't begrudge him for that: you have to start somewhere right? Thats not the important thing anyways, whats important is that Panda decides to start a bandwagon and attempts to vaugely give substence to his vote by citing that "Gun was on to something." After he got tagged and called out for his bandwagon vote, he was asked to explain exactly what "Gun was on to".

Originally Posted by Panda Express

you asked what I thought "Gun was onto" exactly. I think he's onto something with premature pressure.

Whatever Gun was on too, it certainly wasn't pressure. I'm pretty sure that vote is the opposite of a pressure vote, considering that pressure votes are there to gauge someones reactions and not to ACTUALLY vote for them. Well if you noticed Panda, I reacted, and Guns vote is STILL ON ME. So therefore its safe to assume that Gun is actually going all the way and committing to voting for me. Then Gun goes on his rant, but only in this scenario hes genuinely frustrated and is human. Then Panda swoops in, changes his vote, covers his tracks, and reinforces his humanity (Lol) by providing a logical explanation to Guns adverse reaction to getting a few votes.

As you can see, those two scenarios are very different. But there's one thing that's the same in both of them. In both scenarios, Panda is a conniving wolf who is willing to lynch someone at the drop of a hat (GUT INSTINCT YEA), shows a patently wolfish disregard for anybody other than himself and other wolves, and just in general his mannerisms scream wolf to me.

Originally Posted by Panda Express

night phase was pretty drawn out, and I'm eager for things to start unfolding.

I bet you would be.

TL;DR Version: Panda

[Afrobean]

freezinice, maybe you did this on purpose, but you overlooked the possibility of both panda and gun being human.

Gun attempting to mix things up as a human by being brasher than normal isn't impossible (you seem to be aware of this), and panda being a terrible new player and voting haphazardly without realizing the implications is also easily possible, especially if he was trying to do as I did.

[Afrobean]

By the way, you guys are aware that day ends this afternoon, right?