TWG 201: Game Showdown Throwdown (Excite11) - GAME THREAD

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

from my limited experience, if he's anything other than vanilla town, he will usually posit a lot of counter-questions and talk a lot less.
i.e. if someone asks him a question he'll be impartial and say "i really don't know... what do you think?" or outright ask people questions instead of giving out information himself

I decidedly do not like this post. I don't think it comes from a town mentality to make sure to clearly convey the possibility of lewdy being PR, which is how I'm reading "if he's anything other than vanilla town".

for reference, this was in response to my asking "Does [lewdy] have an issue posting as town?". For comparison, FFA also responded,

Originally Posted by flashflash account

let's just say they normally DON'T have an issue posting as town

but implicitly does not bring up the vanilla/non vanilla issue. the "let's just say" is about as much of a hint as I'd be comfortable with in thread when it comes to PRs.

bug follows immediately after with this:

Originally Posted by bugkid666

if he doesn't post in a few hours i'll be more sus of lewdy for sure

and then didn't mention lewdy for awhile. when the game started amping up again, they poked haku and xel a bit while keeping lewdy as a soft sus but always with a higher priority (and always contingent on zenith which is a fair vote but also an easy one)

I'm going to echo Haku here and suggest everyone ISO bugkid themselves and talk about their conclusions. I didn't want to quote too many posts and make this unreadable, but I think the ISO strongly hints at a w/w mentality with lewdy and would like other heads on this.

@bugkid you said to ask you if I had any questions. I don't really have any, but would like to see more of your own thoughts on stuff to get a better read. I saw one post in your ISO that identified the issue with lewdy and almost scrapped this post because your tone was so dead set on proving he's scum, then realized your post was made after flip. Which leads me to ask, did the issues in the post you pointed out to Haku bother you at all in D0, or what was your thought process there?

[flashflash account]

I said it that way because shadowgod has been active as a wolf before, I think

[Wayward Vagabond]

I feel like we see that bugkid post differently because she's not wrong about shadow being like that. It didn't cross my mind as implying he might be a pr though so !_!

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I decidedly do not like this post. I don't think it comes from a town mentality to make sure to clearly convey the possibility of lewdy being PR, which is how I'm reading "if he's anything other than vanilla town".

for reference, this was in response to my asking "Does [lewdy] have an issue posting as town?". For comparison, FFA also responded,

but implicitly does not bring up the vanilla/non vanilla issue. the "let's just say" is about as much of a hint as I'd be comfortable with in thread when it comes to PRs.

bug follows immediately after with this:


and then didn't mention lewdy for awhile. when the game started amping up again, they poked haku and xel a bit while keeping lewdy as a soft sus but always with a higher priority (and always contingent on zenith which is a fair vote but also an easy one)

I'm going to echo Haku here and suggest everyone ISO bugkid themselves and talk about their conclusions. I didn't want to quote too many posts and make this unreadable, but I think the ISO strongly hints at a w/w mentality with lewdy and would like other heads on this.

@bugkid you said to ask you if I had any questions. I don't really have any, but would like to see more of your own thoughts on stuff to get a better read. I saw one post in your ISO that identified the issue with lewdy and almost scrapped this post because your tone was so dead set on proving he's scum, then realized your post was made after flip. Which leads me to ask, did the issues in the post you pointed out to Haku bother you at all in D0, or what was your thought process there?

so, i don't think lewdy was acting OVERTLY out of character. this is if you believe his post about not wanting to be overbearing, which i took to heart. but the more time that went on, the more drastically out of character it was that he wasn't posting. from my experience, if lewdy is busy, he will still find time to post. and yes, by the end of d0, i did find him most suspicious, but i would have much rather gotten out an inactive player at that time and i still stand by that even after the flips. if lewdy hadn't been killed, i would have absolutely zeroed in on him today. i don't know if this answers your question but i hope it clarifies?

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

I feel like we see that bugkid post differently because they're not wrong about shadow being like that. It didn't cross my mind as implying he might be a pr though so !_!

this was because the last time i played with him, he was pr and was acting weird af. i didn't want to eliminate the possibility that he might be acting strange for either being scum or pr. genuinely don't know how this makes me scummy.

[star-crossed]

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

Star was high on my sus list and this seals the deal

???

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

that being said, i don't know how i feel about everyone's reliance on him to do the work. i know he goes apeshit over these sorts of things, but still he's not perfect.

you've referenced this a couple times so let me just say as an aside

I don't think there's a reliance on him to do the work so much as there is a "look, if you're gonna be gone all phase, at least make your few hours in game count while you're here". which is a meta that I think he's self-imposed by *not* being as present. meaning that the only reason his absence has become acceptable is because there is an expected trade-off of read-worthy performance upon arrival. something to bite into for everyone else. but that's a trade for overall thread presence at the end of the day, not a superhuman responsibility.

and I don't like it either, but it's become it's own thing at this point and I don't play twg anymore so I can't really push for change

[Wayward Vagabond]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

this was because the last time i played with him, he was pr and was acting weird af. i didn't want to eliminate the possibility that he might be acting strange for either being scum or pr. genuinnely don't know how this makes me scummy.

Huge my bad.

I don't think it makes you scummy just I agree with wolfE that its weird wording

[Wayward Vagabond]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

???

Mostly joking about it sealing the deal but you are on Numero uno on my scum list

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

Huge my bad.

I don't think it makes you scummy just I agree with wolfE that its weird wording

I think I get it now. if I were scum I would know lewdy was also scum and therefore I'd try to persuade you all to think he was acting strange due to being PR rather than being scum.

literally not smart enough to do that. I only phrased it that way bc last game, he was acting strange due to being PR lol

[star-crossed]

I mentioned those three because they normally tend to make a lot of posts on day 0. I was right that this game was not slow, but I was mostly wrong on who would post most.

I am not really sure what your issue is there though, so let me know if you had an actual question.

[Wayward Vagabond]

I'm more bummed raeko got killed right now that I'm rereading

[Wayward Vagabond]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

I think I get it now. if I were scum I would know lewdy was also scum and therefore I'd try to persuade you all to think he was acting strange due to being PR rather than being scum.

literally not smart enough to do that. I only phrased it that way bc last game, he was acting strange due to being PR lol

Yeah I'm p sure this is what wolfE was implying you were doing. It would make sense if you followed up and kept trying to defend him from a pr standing. Which is something I'll be looking for not going to pretend like that seed didn't get planted in my head

Originally Posted by star-crossed

I mentioned those three because they normally tend to make a lot of posts on day 0. I was right that this game was not slow, but I was mostly wrong on who would post most.

I am not really sure what your issue is there though, so let me know if you had an actual question.

You're defending the wrong thing and I don't understand why you're being so defensive over that post tbh but also look at my follow up post where I quoted shadow replying to you and said "like bro" if you don't understand the context of the previous post

[star-crossed]

I'm just trying to tell you what my thought process was at the time in case it is helpful to understand me better. I am not really getting what is pinging you, which is why I started off with question marks.

[Wayward Vagabond]

@star do you feel like you're performing up to par when compared to your previous games? How do you feel about where you are in terms of game state right now?

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

I think I get it now. if I were scum I would know lewdy was also scum and therefore I'd try to persuade you all to think he was acting strange due to being PR rather than being scum.

literally not smart enough to do that. I only phrased it that way bc last game, he was acting strange due to being PR lol

that and it's not exactly pro-town to talk about who might be PR publicly
you seem plenty smart to me but yeah I think I buy the explanation of that post.

I still am very iffy about the progression of your lewdy prioritization over via ISO, but I think that the weight of that is going to be less than your posts this phase now that there's real info to weigh in on if that makes sense

[Wayward Vagabond]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

I'm just trying to tell you what my thought process was at the time in case it is helpful to understand me better. I am not really getting what is pinging you, which is why I started off with question marks.

It's really not that deep lol

[Wayward Vagabond]

Also @wolfE I don't do isos sorry bud

[Wayward Vagabond]

FFA is probably my strongest town lean atm

[ShadoWolfe]

PoE is making me second guess things