TWG 200 Game Thread: Dichotomy

[mellon_collie]

Ducky is now a member of Hinoi Team

[123kappa3]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

Ducky is now a member of Hinoi Team

why

mellon_collie

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by 123kappa3

why

mellon_collie

wat....

it's my avatar. can you not see the ducky dancing with Hinoi Team?

[123kappa3]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

wat....

it's my avatar. can you not see the ducky dancing with Hinoi Team?

thank you for causing even more confusion to the game.

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by 123kappa3

thank you for causing even more confusion to the game.

how does changing my avatar make the game more confusing.... wat

[SubaruPoptart]

@123kappa3

Originally Posted by 123kappa3

thank you for causing even more confusion to the game.

Raeko I wanna say is the rabbit lady in the bottom right of the yellow. Roundbox is the dude drinking the biggest glass of iced tea I've ever seen. It's not confusing if you pay attention.

[Shadow_God_10]

I'm gonna sit on Ben for a hot minute... he's just doing recaps of what we know so he can make it appear he's producing stuff...

Your day 0 is over. Time to get to work my guy.

[Charu]

Anyways, I hope someone else has something to go off on other than GrApH lOgIc.

I'm going to assume from here on out, every single EoD and night kill will just be a no-flip.

So I'm also going to play as if no card flips are active at all.

That being said, I know I voted for an inactive poster (that was also a new player). I'm going to assume that player is posthumously town.

I'm also going to assume blind, being the only death that makes any sort of sense to me, also town.

Whatever that means in the mirror thread, I have no clue. If they also have to vote out one another, then that's already two towns I'm pretty certain are town that can out vote whatever anti-town role exists in the other game.

I will point out the other game thread has NOT STARTED A PROPER PHASE. It's literally the OP of this game with the second post being about a faction not winning.

[Charu]

I will also point out there may not be any anti-town roles in the mirror game.

[Shadow_God_10]

Originally Posted by Charu

I will also point out there may not be any anti-town roles in the mirror game.

What does that mean for us up here? We still got 6 to 8 wolves or 6 wolves 2 3p or whatever?

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by Charu

I will also point out there may not be any anti-town roles in the mirror game.

I would like to draw emphasis to this again

Either two wolves are dead or ZERO wolves are dead. Based on that post in the mirror thread.

We can use this for reasoning purposes. Furthermore, we can explicitly guide the mirror thread to take certain actions to help us solve.

[DaBackpack]

The mirror game will only be GROWING after this phase. Our game will shrink, theirs will grow. (Everyone who dies in this game gets sent there.)

The mirror game only has 4 players in it now. This is currently the state of the game that gives us the MOST opportunity to gain information.

Treat this as a logic puzzle.

Currently, let's assume that the mirror game is only townies right now. sunfan made a post saying that "the game is over", because that game has zero wolves in it.

Now, fast-forward to TOMORROW. New people will be sent to the mirror game. If sunfan makes a post saying that the "game is over" still, then those new people are townies too.

BUT, if the mirror game becomes "NOT over", then we can mathematically establish that AT LEAST ONE of the new mirror players is a wolf.

Please think of the game like this. It is currently the only tool we have for reasoning.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

The mirror game will only be GROWING after this phase. Our game will shrink, theirs will grow. (Everyone who dies in this game gets sent there.)

The mirror game only has 4 players in it now. This is currently the state of the game that gives us the MOST opportunity to gain information.

Treat this as a logic puzzle.

Currently, let's assume that the mirror game is only townies right now. sunfan made a post saying that "the game is over", because that game has zero wolves in it.

Now, fast-forward to TOMORROW. New people will be sent to the mirror game. If sunfan makes a post saying that the "game is over" still, then those new people are townies too.

BUT, if the mirror game becomes "NOT over", then we can mathematically establish that AT LEAST ONE of the new mirror players is a wolf.

Please think of the game like this. It is currently the only tool we have for reasoning.

I mean, I feel like that's what I was getting at, but this is lot more on point so thank you for making my thought more direct, lol.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by Charu

I mean, I feel like that's what I was getting at, but this is lot more on point so thank you for making my thought more direct, lol.

yeah, there's some discussion in the discord about this iirc

sunfan often has fucked-up, complicated setup ideas. but they are always grounded in the spirit of the game. I don't really know how to describe it, but I want to say that despite how crazy this game looks, he would not create an arbitrary bastard game. I feel like the design choices he's made are deliberate and calculated.

they might be contrived and the end result might be chaotic nonsense, but in sunfan's mind, this is still a game of TWG

[mcdaddio]

Reposting this from Discord but with extra thoughts:

If neighbor talk is still active across both games, then we can assume wolf chat (or chats if there are any) is too. This means that the wolves definitely know how many wolves are in the other game and can coordinate to try to keep or gain a majority over there (if there isn’t already a majority at the moment) if it is the 1:3 or 2:2 split or somehow plan to get multiple wolves into the game at once to help their odds of winning the second game if we’ve only managed to kill townies so far

The only way a wolf can be flipped at game 2's eod (if flips are a thing, please oh overlord sunfan, give us some definitive information) is if the split is 2:2, and even then there's only a chance that they'll lynch a wolf (again if there are any, I hate this conditional structuring stuff).

[mcdaddio]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

The mirror game will only be GROWING after this phase. Our game will shrink, theirs will grow. (Everyone who dies in this game gets sent there.)

The mirror game only has 4 players in it now. This is currently the state of the game that gives us the MOST opportunity to gain information.

Treat this as a logic puzzle.

Currently, let's assume that the mirror game is only townies right now. sunfan made a post saying that "the game is over", because that game has zero wolves in it.

Now, fast-forward to TOMORROW. New people will be sent to the mirror game. If sunfan makes a post saying that the "game is over" still, then those new people are townies too.

BUT, if the mirror game becomes "NOT over", then we can mathematically establish that AT LEAST ONE of the new mirror players is a wolf.

Please think of the game like this. It is currently the only tool we have for reasoning.

I really hope its only townies because we are going to have to play a lot of calculated defensive if there are 2 or 3 wolves in that game (I highly doubt there are 3 wolves unless we are all amazing shots but the current status of the other game means that it is possible)

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by mcdaddio

I really hope its only townies because we are going to have to play a lot of calculated defensive if there are 2 or 3 wolves in that game (I highly doubt there are 3 wolves unless we are all amazing shots but the current status of the other game means that it is possible)

idk if this is something we need to worry about

the other game is "over" but is still running. that is, TWG 200 is still going. I don't think the parity of each thread independently is what matters here. It's the TOTAL parity.

If the total number of wolves in both threads is equal to the total number of townies, THEN we lose. (You aren't "dead" until you get voted out in the mirror world.)

The really important thing here is that no-kill is off. Theoretically, if every single player in the second thread is a wolf, they are still forced to vote out a wolf.

I can't think of any scenario in which we are absolutely fucked unless we, you know, play TWG badly. So idk if defensive strategy is needed here

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

The mirror game will only be GROWING after this phase. Our game will shrink, theirs will grow. (Everyone who dies in this game gets sent there.)

The mirror game only has 4 players in it now. This is currently the state of the game that gives us the MOST opportunity to gain information.

Treat this as a logic puzzle.

Currently, let's assume that the mirror game is only townies right now. sunfan made a post saying that "the game is over", because that game has zero wolves in it.

Now, fast-forward to TOMORROW. New people will be sent to the mirror game. If sunfan makes a post saying that the "game is over" still, then those new people are townies too.

BUT, if the mirror game becomes "NOT over", then we can mathematically establish that AT LEAST ONE of the new mirror players is a wolf.


Please think of the game like this. It is currently the only tool we have for reasoning.

i'm hesitant to assume that everyone's town or not-wolf (even though that's the most likely scenario) but i'm down with the bold.

but then that's just rand%



fuck this shit i'ma just play twg

[mellon_collie]

WAIT THERES ANOTHER GAME LMAO

ahhhhhh

[Shadow_God_10]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

WAIT THERES ANOTHER GAME LMAO

ahhhhhh

Did we forget to mention that? Oopsie...