Renard Queenston is a sex offender

[devonin]

Pronouns aren't quite so objective, but they should still follow grammar rules.

And "They" and "You" have been used in the singular for hundreds of years. Just because our education system likes to teach people incorrect or not wholly correct things doesn't mean that it is universally correct. In fact it means just the opposite.

How many people think that a statement like "I'm studying the biology of fishes" is grammatically incorrect?

[devonin]

but when it boils down to it, we are what we are.

#PartOfTheProblem

[reuben_tate]

Originally Posted by Izzy

I'm sure that must be very offensive to Renard.

How so? If anything the current binary system put in place for restrooms forces each individual to choose between only those two options: male or female. For someone in Renard's case, they would feel uncomfortable since they would be forced to choose between the two when neither of them align with their gender identity. With gender-neutral or unisex bathrooms, it eliminates the need to segregate by sex, gender, etc and it also reduces construction cost since only one (and not two) restroom facilities would need to be built.

[Izzy]

Originally Posted by reuben_tate

How so? If anything the current binary system put in place for restrooms forces each individual to choose between only those two options: male or female. For someone in Renard's case, they would feel uncomfortable since they would be forced to choose between the two when neither of them align with their gender identity. With gender-neutral or unisex bathrooms, it eliminates the need to segregate by sex, gender, etc and it also reduces construction cost since only one (and not two) restroom facilities would need to be built.

I meant the fact that there aren't neutral bathrooms available for him already is offensive. Why is society forcing this on him when he doesn't identify as male or female?

[devonin]

That's actually a legitimate question though Izzy. There's no reason why there shouldn't be gender neutral bathrooms -except- the enforcing of the gender binary.

[choof]

who cares if renard is offended, he's a toxic shitlord

[choof]

Originally Posted by KgZ

You can label yourself whatever you like. But that doesn't change the fact that you are biologically a gender and no amount of physical altering will change that.

sex is biological

[reuben_tate]

Originally Posted by KgZ

You can label yourself whatever you like. But that doesn't change the fact that you are biologically a gender and no amount of physical altering will change that.

Sex =/= gender. Also, it's not a common occurrence but you have people born what ambiguous sex sometimes, even sex itself is on a sliding scale (albeit most people fall at the two extremes). In addition, whether we have XX or XY may be used to determine sex, but then what do you do about the people who are XXY or X or XXX or XYY?

[devonin]

Anybody who still uses 'sex' and 'gender' interchangeably or incorrectly pretty much isn't sufficiently educated on the issue to have their opinions taken seriously.

No offence.

[choof]

priv_check.msi

[popsicle_3000]

bah, this culture that we must accommodate everyone for everything.
gender-neutral bathrooms?? wow. we gonna build buildings now with 3+ sets of bathrooms? Take gender off government forms?

All this accommodation... at some point, it no longer becomes healthy to do so. At some point, yes actually, it's no longer about being accommodated, it's about getting help because you're going through some issues. Somewhere the line needs to be drawn.
also, well said middie

Originally Posted by devonin

Anybody who still uses 'sex' and 'gender' interchangeably or incorrectly pretty much isn't sufficiently educated on the issue to have their opinions taken seriously.

My opinion is that I disagree with this opinion invalidating someone's opinion.

[Mollocephalus]

beyond a certain point, accomodating gets quite ridiculous and even counterproductive, however that's only when it creates premises for something bad to happen. Different gender types are not bad per se, and with the societies getting slowly and progressively more tolerant, more and more people will come out of the closet.

In this case specifically i'd say bathrooms are there for a strictly practical purpose. They have doors and locks and there is absolutely NO need for anything more than male/female bathrooms cause no matter your orientation, you either have a penis or a vagina. And if you're one of those boys who looks like a girl or girl who looks like a boy, you can go in whichever bathroom fits better. It's not like people are going to inspect your junk or your cunt while you piss.

Also hi19 post on last page was p good

[reuben_tate]

Why would you need 3 restrooms when you can just have a single gender-neutral bathroom?

[Ohaider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hLUNYIoOE0&t=0m57s

[Cavernio]

I'd be uncomfortable seeing men pee when I have to use the bathroom. I don't know if I still would if I were raised with that standard.

[devonin]

Originally Posted by Mollocephalus

It's not like people are going to inspect your junk or your cunt while you piss.

Do you actually know ANY actually transgendered people? Like at all?

And seriously, "if you are a girl who looks like a boy" and you try to go into the girl's bathroom pretty much anywhere in North America, you'll probably be arrested before you have a chance to explain that you're a girl. THIS is the sort of problem at hand here.

[devonin]

Originally Posted by Cavernio

I'd be uncomfortable seeing men pee when I have to use the bathroom. I don't know if I still would if I were raised with that standard.

Why on earth do you assume that a gender neutral bathroom would have openly exposed urinals?

I've been in single-gender bathrooms where every place you could go to the bathroom was an enclosed room with a door, a lock, and floor-to-ceiling walls.

There is no reason at all that almost everywhere that has bathrooms couldn't condense them into 75 or 80% of the number of gender-neutral bathrooms.

[choof]

I literally cannot piss in a urinal if there are people in the restroom

even in the military when we did drug tests, I had to use a stall lol

[TheSaxRunner05]

Sex designations for single unit bathrooms are stupid. I use the women's toilet at my work when the men's room is occupied. Just place a tampon receptical in both and drop the useless designation for single unit bathrooms.

[choof]

I actually saw a black trans woman today on the bus and boy was she sassy as shit