TWG XLIX: Another unnamed TWG!?!

[StoicRoivaS]

Got back to campus with little difficulty, minus my bed, box spring and couch being soaked in the rain...

I'll be able to read/update/revote before midnight unless something goes terribly wrong. For now, it's unpacking time.

[Tps222]

I'm pretty convinced that sert was called because he was in Alain's list. The wolves are trying to confuse us by making kills that won't give us any information and only makes us guess ourself.

With that in mind, I have two people in my mind. Darkmanti is the first. He quoted sertman's death and then connected it with alain's list. I can see him doing this as a wolf to not only go along with my previous stated "confusion theory" but it would disassociate him by subtly using some reverse psychology.

Next on my list in Talisman. His posts have struck a weird chord within me ever since the game started. He's always provided an alternate theory in the past, so it's not too odd for him to present an opposing opinion towards Alain. What bothers me is how and when he presents it. Often without much force and in a way that makes it seem like "Nothing will get done, but I'm going to suggest it because I don't think it will hurt us(the wolves, if thats the case) and that I can disassociate from wolfdom".

These are both theoretical cases and I'm going to research further into this matter before I bring myself to a vote.

PS: I thought saftey votes were disallowed games ago?

[Tps222]

Replaced "called" with "killed" in the above post in the first line.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Well TPS, When someone says: look, either, X, Y or Z is gunna die tonight, and then Y does, when Y isn't a top of the list caliber player. Then that strikes a wierd note with me, I don't really think anyone other then the wolves and Alain expected sert to die over Kilga/Stoic/Talis/Fojar, who are much more obvious choices.

The only reason Sertman would die is if the wolves were worried about the guard guarding one of them, and then went after a 2nd teir player.

Which would mean one thing.

1. We don't have ballsy wolves



As for alain's point about the seer not coming out......


The seer only has two choices, It's not like there's a billion different paths to take. Here I'll show you the options

1. seer comes out, guard goes to him, alliance forms, greens and seer work together to eliminate wolves etc.. etc...

2. seer doesn't come out, nobody knows who to trust, the seer runs the risk of being subject to a lucky wolving because he doesn't have a guardian, and we loose all (or most) of his info. The alliance is easier to penetrate by the MW and so on and so forth. The only thing gained by this is that we could potentially get a lucky guardianship sometime over the course of the game, and win an (in essence) seering.

I think it's kinda obvious which route we should take =/

[flawofhumanity]

Well, good to see we're all cooperating and getting a lot of work done.

I haven't talked to anyone except talisman yet, and no one has said anything worthy of a vote on the forums, so =\.

[talisman]

day doesn't end tonight does it? that would blow.

also, I <3 you too fojar.

[flawofhumanity]

Yes, yes it does.

Originally Posted by DBP

Day one will end at 11:59 PM (MIDNIGHT, EST) on Saturday.

[x3Mamimi]

well. I've not talking to anyone, really. I talked to Xero night one but that was mostly about computers and Flaw IMed me with something along the lines of 'i herd u were a wolf' and then the conversation drifted elsewhere, be it my fault or not, I don't think it matters at this point.

I obviously can't make a sure vote at this point (day one votes are almost always crap, in my experience) and I'd hate to safety as I wouldn't want to anger TPS<3 so I'm going with my gut. Alain just seems very defensive and too quick to try and lead us in any direction s/he can half way justify. I don't know if that's just how s/he plays or even if s/he's kidding.. But that's my best bet for now. I'll be on most of tonight, I hope, and might change my vote, etc.

[x3Mamimi]

that and this whole 'the seer shouldn't jeopardize themselves by coming out' seems like an over exaggerated attempt to look human. That's just how it's coming off to me.

or maybe I'm annoyed by this guy and looking too into what s/he says?

[talisman]

he

[x3Mamimi]

k thx

[x3Mamimi]

excuse me for considering the feminine connotations of a unicorn with angel wings surrounded by stars.

[alainbryden]

Originally Posted by x3Mamimi

Alain just seems very defensive and...

I haven't defended myself once (except just now). I've only defended my opinion.


DarkManticore: You're portrayal of the two possibilities is completely misleading and flawed.

First, you're talking about an alliance between blues and humans. Considering there is a guardian and a psychic, and those are the only blues, and they don't need to be allied publicly (as in the guardian doesn't need to make himself known to anyone) for the guardian to know that they should guard the seer when they do come out, there is absolutely no point to the concept of an alliance. The seer should privately ally with people he/she sees as being human and that is it.

For that exact same reason, there's no reason to go public because even if the seer dies, his "information" doesn't. Obviously the people he/she see's as being human are going to be notified by him, and so they will share their knowledge with them. The only reason at all for the seer to come out is if he/she finds out who a wolf is and does not have a stong enough alliance yet to lynch that wolf.

End of possibilities, end of story.

[DarkManticoreX2]

There is no way is getting the guard and seer together behind the scenes that doesn't let in the possibility of a wolf, what dont you get about that?

I'm getting off for the night, and voting tps on the reasoning that wolves like saying well im suspicious of these people, but not enough to place a vote on them.

[x3Mamimi]

Originally Posted by alainbryden

I haven't defended myself once (except just now). I've only defended my opinion.

Lol/ Doesn't matter what you were being defensive about, you were still being defensive. About a point that, as I said, seems like a desparate attempt to seem human. I think it's a better idea to have the seer come out so the guardian can guard them. Though the chances of the seer being wolfed 'on accident', for lack of a better term, are semi low, do we want to take that chance? Or have our seer guarded for sure?

And anyway, it still seems like you're trying to take over this game with very little information.. Like someone said.. posting a whole lot of nothing. Making wild theories, etc, to look like you have our best intentions in mind... Comes off fake to me.


but like I said before, this is just a hunch and simply my best guess. My best vote for day one.

[DarkManticoreX2]

heres a play out for you alain.

seer seers a green night one,

seer: oh hai im da seer
MW: o hai, ded.

[nijatwo]

mamimi on a hunch.

Sorry about dissappearing. I went up north and it never occurred to me that I wouldn't have any internet access. Just got back in today. not the seer (unfortunately).

amidoinitrongenuph??

[flawofhumanity]

alain because I think he knows his ideas are flawed (or I think he's competent enough to realize it) yet keeps pushing them.

[lightdarkness]

flawofhumanity <--- this is a legitimately backed up vote.

[Tps222]

Ok guys, I'm the seer, and Flawofhumanity is a wolf.

I decided that I wanted as much untainted conversation to come out as possible before I came out as the seer. I feel that there is still plenty of time to accomplish everything talisman has said concerning alliances, I just took the liberty of deciding it'd be better for me to wait.

So yeah, lucky night 1 seer'ing I guess, thank you random.org.