Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 - Page 58

**jimerax** · 03-10-2011, 02:06 AM

btw can someone calculate points (possibly accurately)?

**DossarLX ODI** · 03-10-2011, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Hey, at least I did the right thing and passed Metro rather than giving it the initial rating that I was thinking (which was highly biased on song taste).

That's what a judge should do if they feel that subjectivity issues will result in an unfair rating. It's good you took that into consideration.

Also @ Ziergds: If a resubmission gets lower than the original submission, something's not right here...

**qqwref** · 03-10-2011, 02:09 AM

Passing on a song you couldn't grade properly is fine. What I don't like is when a song gets a bad score with comments like "broken disco music?" "also song choice sucks" "this is not music" "I don't think it's a great song to step" "Song is very short, and doesn't quite present a lot of variation for the length itself, which is problematic." etc etc. If you dislike the song so much that you need to mention it, maybe you dislike the chart because of the song?

**TC_Halogen** · 03-10-2011, 02:13 AM

JX: I'm tallying points right now. Give me a few.

**bmah** · 03-10-2011, 02:17 AM

Broken disco music is a complement you know - broken describes the choppy aspects of the song, not the song is broken as in "trashy". I liked the song. The file was a different story. Don't misinterpret these things. And if you plan on taking points off on your own misinterpretations, you won't be considered as a judge in the future. Not playing around with this at all.

If you need clarifications from one of the judges, just ask. Do. Not. Assume. That's a fatal flaw right there.

**qqwref** · 03-10-2011, 02:23 AM

I wasn't serious about taking points off for rock songs - it was an idle threat. But it really does annoy me that some judges blatantly do this and don't get called on it at all.

Anyway I looked back at the "broken disco music" one and you're right, I misinterpreted that one, but you did complain a lot about the song cut, and that falls under song choice too. Unless you really think the chart would be far superior if the missing parts were stepped, taking a lot of points off for a bad cut is really just saying you don't like the beginning or end of the music that was included in the file.

**bmah** · 03-10-2011, 02:32 AM

And song choices are valid complaints - over half of all notes are subjective, and why should song choices not be included? If I thought that many parts of a song could've been better stepped (the current steps being far more generic), resulting in a [+.] instead of a [+], that's on the same subjective level as song choices. I'd say it's more reasonable to make this assumption on song cuts and more technical features of the song as opposed to what genre of music you love/hate.

Secondly, you cannot predict where each point was taken off in a song, unless the judge makes a very explicit marking system (e.g. Niala), which very few do. So once again, ask the judge how the points were evaluated for the song in question. Otherwise, you're just making assumptions.

Niala · 03-10-2011, 02:33 AM

Breaking tension for:

HOMOSEXUAL LOVE SCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENE 8D

That is all.

**DossarLX ODI** · 03-10-2011, 02:37 AM

I think what he was trying to get at is that saying "song sucks" is not a valid reason to take off points from a file.

Notes can be based on how the song is stepped which is what you said, but that's different than saying "lol this song"

**bmah** · 03-10-2011, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

I think what he was trying to get at is that rejecting a file for "song sucks" is not a valid reason to reject a file.

Definitely. A really bad song cut is very much reason then to reject a file, because it really detracts any finishing touches for a song. In other words, it's more specific than "song sucks".

**Plan_Bsk81127** · 03-10-2011, 02:41 AM

Welp, guess I get to go through another whole resubmission process mess like I did with scavenger. Kind of sucks how 16/20 rating cant get like a light accept or something and be put in conditional especially when people get those ratings where one rating kinda throws off the other good ones given. =\

**rushyrulz** · 03-10-2011, 02:43 AM

So would mine be considered borderline?

+ +. +. +? [16/20]

If so what happens?

**jimerax** · 03-10-2011, 02:49 AM

borderline files will move to judge's vote stage.

**TC_Halogen** · 03-10-2011, 03:00 AM

Here you go:

Analyzed: 5/5+/5+/5 (20++)
A Beautiful Storm: 5/5/5/5 (20)
Finders Keepers: 5/5/5/5 (20)
Camel: 4/5/5/5 (19)
Flesvelka: 5/5/4/5 (19)
Electrical Parade: 3/5/5+/5 (18+)
Chrome Gadget Zone 8bit Mix: 4/4/5+/5 (18+)
12 Bar Bloops: 5/5/4/3 (17)
Comfortably Lost: 4/4/4/5 (17)
Experiment: 4/4/4/5 (17)
Feeling This REMIX: 4/4/5/4 (17)
Distorted God: 4/5/4/3 (16)
Frog's Theme: 4/4/5/3 (16)
Cybertron: 2/4/5/4 (15)
Baby Still Too Fat: 4/3/5/3 (15)
Corrupted Minds: 3/1/5/5 (14)
Euromorroc: 4/2/4/4 (14)
Giants in the Ocean: 4/1/4/4 (13)
Defection: 4/3/2/4 (13)
Chopsticks: 3/3/1/4 (11)
Expand Life: 2/3/4/2 (11)
Electrolosys: 3/1/3/3 (10)
Altair: 1/2/1/1 (5)

RESUBS:
Ready to Go: 5/4/5+/5 (19+)
Scavenger: 5/4/5/5 (19)
Try Harder: 4/5/3/4 (16)
Sonic 3 - Ice Cap (Remix): 4/1/2/4 (11)

====================
JULIAN: 5/5+/5/5 (20+)
Heavenly Spores: 5/5/5/5 (20)
Homosexual Love Scene: 5/4/5/5 (19)
Musicmaker RX: 4/5/5/5 (19)
JULIA: 5/5/5/4 (19)
Humoresque No. 7: 5/5/4/5 (19)
Mathsma Attack: 5/4/4/4 (17)
Gunkienen Tar Mercury: 4/4/5/4 (17)
Nothing's Gonna Stop Me: 4/4/4/5 (17)
Illumination: 4/2/5/5 (16)
NaiNai69: 4/3/5/4 (16)
Nyanyanyanyanyanyanya!: 4/3/4/5 (16)
He's a Pirate - F-777 Remix: 4/2/5/4 (15)
Lawn Wake II: 3/3/4/5 (15)
Luna Ascension: 4/3/4/4 (15)
Indignant Divinity: 3/5/2/2 (14)
Grateful Para-die-se: 2/2/5/4 (13)
Kirlian Changes: 3/4/1/5 (13)
Sun and Stars: 4/5/missing/4 (13)*
Halloweenies: 2/2/4/3 (11)
Melons: 3/[2]/4/1 (10)
Jingle Bells Hardstyle: 2/1/4/2 (9)
Grasp Reality: 2/2/2/3 (9)

RESUBS:
No Salt: 4/5/5/5 (19)
In the Wind: 4/5/5/4 (18)
Metro: 4/[4]/5/5 (18)
Glorious Morning: 3/3/3/3 (12)
=============

[iironiic] Passage D: 5>/3>/4/5> (17 >>>)
[w_c] Passage D: 3</4</4</5< (15 <<<<)

Senerade of Storms: 5/5/5+/5 (20+)
Sleet: 5/5/5/5 (20)
The Gateway: 5/4/5/5 (19)
I Remember When: 4/4/5/5+ (18+)
Pokemon GSC Elite Four: 5/5/3/5 (18)
Dance and Zeal: 4/4/5/5 (18)
System Split: 4/5/4/4 (17)
The Final Hour: 4/4/5/4 (17)
System Failure: 5/4/2/5 (16)
Fatum Anima: 3/4/4/5 (16)
Aim Burst: 4/5/4/2 (15)
Unf: 3/4/5/3 (15)
Youshou 02: 4/4/4/3 (15)
An Unwanted Magician and a Cheery Rebel: 3/4/4/4 (15)
Subconsciousness: 4/3/4/3 (14)
Thunderdome Got CRUNK: 3/4/4/3 (14)
Peculiar Pattern of Circles: 2/2/4/3 (11)
The Bird's Concrete Nosedive: 2/1/2/5+ (10+)
Powerpuff Gabberz: 3/1/3/3 (10)
Tyomutyomepu: 2/1/4/2 (9)
Pizza Butt: 2/2/2/1 (7)
Rain: 1/1/1/1 (4)

RESUBS:
Fast Asleep: 4/2/5/4/ (15)
Colibri: 4/5/3/3 (15)
A Battle for the Sky: 4/4/3/3 (14)
Cest What: 1/2/4/3 (10)

**TC_Halogen** · 03-10-2011, 03:08 AM

(Double posting in case the notes are getting copied by code)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plan_Bsk81127

Welp, guess I get to go through another whole resubmission process mess like I did with scavenger. Kind of sucks how 16/20 rating cant get like a light accept or something and be put in conditional especially when people get those ratings where one rating kinda throws off the other good ones given. =\

Being that you got two + ratings, you might actually still be alright. Either way, you'll get tossed into the borderline, and being that you had two strong accepts, other judges might feel the same.

**jimerax** · 03-10-2011, 03:12 AM

Thanks, Halogen.

Instantly Accepted Files (33)

Analyzed: 5/5+/5+/5 (20++)
A Beautiful Storm: 5/5/5/5 (20)
Finders Keepers: 5/5/5/5 (20)
Camel: 4/5/5/5 (19)
Flesvelka: 5/5/4/5 (19)
Electrical Parade: 3/5/5+/5 (18+)
Chrome Gadget Zone 8bit Mix: 4/4/5+/5 (18+)
12 Bar Bloops: 5/5/4/3 (17)
Comfortably Lost: 4/4/4/5 (17)
Experiment: 4/4/4/5 (17)
Feeling This REMIX: 4/4/5/4 (17)
JULIAN: 5/5+/5/5 (20+)
Heavenly Spores: 5/5/5/5 (20)
Homosexual Love Scene: 5/4/5/5 (19)
Musicmaker RX: 4/5/5/5 (19)
JULIA: 5/5/5/4 (19)
Humoresque No. 7: 5/5/4/5 (19)
Mathsma Attack: 5/4/4/4 (17)
Gunkienen Tar Mercury: 4/4/5/4 (17)
Nothing's Gonna Stop Me: 4/4/4/5 (17)
Sleet: 5/5/5/5 (20)
The Gateway: 5/4/5/5 (19)
I Remember When: 4/4/5/5+ (18+)
Pokemon GSC Elite Four: 5/5/3/5 (18)
Dance and Zeal: 4/4/5/5 (18)
System Split: 4/5/4/4 (17)
The Final Hour: 4/4/5/4 (17)
Ready to Go: 5/4/5+/5 (19+)
Scavenger: 5/4/5/5 (19)
No Salt: 4/5/5/5 (19)
In the Wind: 4/5/5/4 (18)
Metro: 4/[4]/5/5 (18)
[iironiic] Passage D: 5>/3>/4/5> (17 >>>)

Borderline Files (12)
[16pts and stronger-15pts this time]

Distorted God: 4/5/4/3 (16)
Frog's Theme: 4/4/5/3 (16)
Cybertron: 2/4/5/4 (15)
Illumination: 4/2/5/5 (16)
NaiNai69: 4/3/5/4 (16)
Nyanyanyanyanyanyanya!: 4/3/4/5 (16)
He's a Pirate - F-777 Remix: 4/2/5/4 (15)
System Failure: 5/4/2/5 (16)
Fatum Anima: 3/4/4/5 (16)
Aim Burst: 4/5/4/2 (15)
Try Harder: 4/5/3/4 (16)
Fast Asleep: 4/2/5/4/ (15)

I'll send pm about second vote system to all judges.

Niala · 03-10-2011, 03:20 AM

Senerade of Storms: 5/5/5+/5 (20+)

Missed that.

Also, Passage D has 17 but idk if that means accepted or not because it had two submissions.

**kjwkjw** · 03-10-2011, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimerax

Electrical Parade: 3/5/5+/5 (18+)
Nothing's Gonna Stop Me: 4/4/4/5 (17)

....

:')

**Plan_Bsk81127** · 03-10-2011, 03:36 AM

yay, A Beautiful Storm got a 20.

**bmah** · 03-10-2011, 03:42 AM

Apologies, it looks like Rebound just forgot to review Sun and Stars. (@rebound: just pm me your review)

03-10-2011, 02:06 AM	#1141
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 btw can someone calculate points (possibly accurately)? Last edited by jimerax; 03-10-2011 at 02:08 AM..

03-10-2011, 02:09 AM	#1143
qqwref stepmania archaeologist Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 34 Posts: 4,090	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 Passing on a song you couldn't grade properly is fine. What I don't like is when a song gets a bad score with comments like "broken disco music?" "also song choice sucks" "this is not music" "I don't think it's a great song to step" "Song is very short, and doesn't quite present a lot of variation for the length itself, which is problematic." etc etc. If you dislike the song so much that you need to mention it, maybe you dislike the chart because of the song? __________________ Best AAA: Policy In The Sky [Oni] (81) Best SDG: PANTS (86) Best FC: Future Invasion (93)

03-10-2011, 02:13 AM	#1144
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 JX: I'm tallying points right now. Give me a few.

03-10-2011, 02:17 AM	#1145
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 8,448	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 Broken disco music is a complement you know - broken describes the choppy aspects of the song, not the song is broken as in "trashy". I liked the song. The file was a different story. Don't misinterpret these things. And if you plan on taking points off on your own misinterpretations, you won't be considered as a judge in the future. Not playing around with this at all. If you need clarifications from one of the judges, just ask. Do. Not. Assume. That's a fatal flaw right there. Last edited by bmah; 03-10-2011 at 02:21 AM..

03-10-2011, 02:23 AM	#1146
qqwref stepmania archaeologist Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 34 Posts: 4,090	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 I wasn't serious about taking points off for rock songs - it was an idle threat. But it really does annoy me that some judges blatantly do this and don't get called on it at all. Anyway I looked back at the "broken disco music" one and you're right, I misinterpreted that one, but you did complain a lot about the song cut, and that falls under song choice too. Unless you really think the chart would be far superior if the missing parts were stepped, taking a lot of points off for a bad cut is really just saying you don't like the beginning or end of the music that was included in the file. __________________ Best AAA: Policy In The Sky [Oni] (81) Best SDG: PANTS (86) Best FC: Future Invasion (93)

03-10-2011, 02:32 AM	#1147
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 8,448	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 And song choices are valid complaints - over half of all notes are subjective, and why should song choices not be included? If I thought that many parts of a song could've been better stepped (the current steps being far more generic), resulting in a [+.] instead of a [+], that's on the same subjective level as song choices. I'd say it's more reasonable to make this assumption on song cuts and more technical features of the song as opposed to what genre of music you love/hate. Secondly, you cannot predict where each point was taken off in a song, unless the judge makes a very explicit marking system (e.g. Niala), which very few do. So once again, ask the judge how the points were evaluated for the song in question. Otherwise, you're just making assumptions.

03-10-2011, 02:33 AM	#1148
Niala (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fredericton Age: 33 Posts: 1,696	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 Breaking tension for: HOMOSEXUAL LOVE SCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENE 8D That is all.

03-10-2011, 02:41 AM	#1151
Plan_Bsk81127 snooches Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 32 Posts: 6,420	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 Welp, guess I get to go through another whole resubmission process mess like I did with scavenger. Kind of sucks how 16/20 rating cant get like a light accept or something and be put in conditional especially when people get those ratings where one rating kinda throws off the other good ones given. =\

03-10-2011, 02:43 AM	#1152
rushyrulz Digital Dancing! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 80 billion club, NE Age: 31 Posts: 12,980	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 So would mine be considered borderline? + +. +. +? [16/20] If so what happens? __________________

03-10-2011, 02:49 AM	#1153
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 borderline files will move to judge's vote stage.

03-10-2011, 03:00 AM	#1154
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 Here you go: Analyzed: 5/5+/5+/5 (20++) A Beautiful Storm: 5/5/5/5 (20) Finders Keepers: 5/5/5/5 (20) Camel: 4/5/5/5 (19) Flesvelka: 5/5/4/5 (19) Electrical Parade: 3/5/5+/5 (18+) Chrome Gadget Zone 8bit Mix: 4/4/5+/5 (18+) 12 Bar Bloops: 5/5/4/3 (17) Comfortably Lost: 4/4/4/5 (17) Experiment: 4/4/4/5 (17) Feeling This REMIX: 4/4/5/4 (17) Distorted God: 4/5/4/3 (16) Frog's Theme: 4/4/5/3 (16) Cybertron: 2/4/5/4 (15) Baby Still Too Fat: 4/3/5/3 (15) Corrupted Minds: 3/1/5/5 (14) Euromorroc: 4/2/4/4 (14) Giants in the Ocean: 4/1/4/4 (13) Defection: 4/3/2/4 (13) Chopsticks: 3/3/1/4 (11) Expand Life: 2/3/4/2 (11) Electrolosys: 3/1/3/3 (10) Altair: 1/2/1/1 (5) RESUBS: Ready to Go: 5/4/5+/5 (19+) Scavenger: 5/4/5/5 (19) Try Harder: 4/5/3/4 (16) Sonic 3 - Ice Cap (Remix): 4/1/2/4 (11) ==================== JULIAN: 5/5+/5/5 (20+) Heavenly Spores: 5/5/5/5 (20) Homosexual Love Scene: 5/4/5/5 (19) Musicmaker RX: 4/5/5/5 (19) JULIA: 5/5/5/4 (19) Humoresque No. 7: 5/5/4/5 (19) Mathsma Attack: 5/4/4/4 (17) Gunkienen Tar Mercury: 4/4/5/4 (17) Nothing's Gonna Stop Me: 4/4/4/5 (17) Illumination: 4/2/5/5 (16) NaiNai69: 4/3/5/4 (16) Nyanyanyanyanyanyanya!: 4/3/4/5 (16) He's a Pirate - F-777 Remix: 4/2/5/4 (15) Lawn Wake II: 3/3/4/5 (15) Luna Ascension: 4/3/4/4 (15) Indignant Divinity: 3/5/2/2 (14) Grateful Para-die-se: 2/2/5/4 (13) Kirlian Changes: 3/4/1/5 (13) Sun and Stars: 4/5/missing/4 (13)* Halloweenies: 2/2/4/3 (11) Melons: 3/[2]/4/1 (10) Jingle Bells Hardstyle: 2/1/4/2 (9) Grasp Reality: 2/2/2/3 (9) RESUBS: No Salt: 4/5/5/5 (19) In the Wind: 4/5/5/4 (18) Metro: 4/[4]/5/5 (18) Glorious Morning: 3/3/3/3 (12) ============= [iironiic] Passage D: 5>/3>/4/5> (17 >>>) [w_c] Passage D: 3</4</4</5< (15 <<<<) Senerade of Storms: 5/5/5+/5 (20+) Sleet: 5/5/5/5 (20) The Gateway: 5/4/5/5 (19) I Remember When: 4/4/5/5+ (18+) Pokemon GSC Elite Four: 5/5/3/5 (18) Dance and Zeal: 4/4/5/5 (18) System Split: 4/5/4/4 (17) The Final Hour: 4/4/5/4 (17) System Failure: 5/4/2/5 (16) Fatum Anima: 3/4/4/5 (16) Aim Burst: 4/5/4/2 (15) Unf: 3/4/5/3 (15) Youshou 02: 4/4/4/3 (15) An Unwanted Magician and a Cheery Rebel: 3/4/4/4 (15) Subconsciousness: 4/3/4/3 (14) Thunderdome Got CRUNK: 3/4/4/3 (14) Peculiar Pattern of Circles: 2/2/4/3 (11) The Bird's Concrete Nosedive: 2/1/2/5+ (10+) Powerpuff Gabberz: 3/1/3/3 (10) Tyomutyomepu: 2/1/4/2 (9) Pizza Butt: 2/2/2/1 (7) Rain: 1/1/1/1 (4) RESUBS: Fast Asleep: 4/2/5/4/ (15) Colibri: 4/5/3/3 (15) A Battle for the Sky: 4/4/3/3 (14) Cest What: 1/2/4/3 (10)

03-10-2011, 03:12 AM	#1156
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 Thanks, Halogen. Instantly Accepted Files (33) Analyzed: 5/5+/5+/5 (20++) A Beautiful Storm: 5/5/5/5 (20) Finders Keepers: 5/5/5/5 (20) Camel: 4/5/5/5 (19) Flesvelka: 5/5/4/5 (19) Electrical Parade: 3/5/5+/5 (18+) Chrome Gadget Zone 8bit Mix: 4/4/5+/5 (18+) 12 Bar Bloops: 5/5/4/3 (17) Comfortably Lost: 4/4/4/5 (17) Experiment: 4/4/4/5 (17) Feeling This REMIX: 4/4/5/4 (17) JULIAN: 5/5+/5/5 (20+) Heavenly Spores: 5/5/5/5 (20) Homosexual Love Scene: 5/4/5/5 (19) Musicmaker RX: 4/5/5/5 (19) JULIA: 5/5/5/4 (19) Humoresque No. 7: 5/5/4/5 (19) Mathsma Attack: 5/4/4/4 (17) Gunkienen Tar Mercury: 4/4/5/4 (17) Nothing's Gonna Stop Me: 4/4/4/5 (17) Sleet: 5/5/5/5 (20) The Gateway: 5/4/5/5 (19) I Remember When: 4/4/5/5+ (18+) Pokemon GSC Elite Four: 5/5/3/5 (18) Dance and Zeal: 4/4/5/5 (18) System Split: 4/5/4/4 (17) The Final Hour: 4/4/5/4 (17) Ready to Go: 5/4/5+/5 (19+) Scavenger: 5/4/5/5 (19) No Salt: 4/5/5/5 (19) In the Wind: 4/5/5/4 (18) Metro: 4/[4]/5/5 (18) [iironiic] Passage D: 5>/3>/4/5> (17 >>>) Borderline Files (12) [16pts and stronger-15pts this time] Distorted God: 4/5/4/3 (16) Frog's Theme: 4/4/5/3 (16) Cybertron: 2/4/5/4 (15) Illumination: 4/2/5/5 (16) NaiNai69: 4/3/5/4 (16) Nyanyanyanyanyanyanya!: 4/3/4/5 (16) He's a Pirate - F-777 Remix: 4/2/5/4 (15) System Failure: 5/4/2/5 (16) Fatum Anima: 3/4/4/5 (16) Aim Burst: 4/5/4/2 (15) Try Harder: 4/5/3/4 (16) Fast Asleep: 4/2/5/4/ (15) I'll send pm about second vote system to all judges. Last edited by jimerax; 03-10-2011 at 03:24 AM..

03-10-2011, 03:20 AM	#1157
Niala (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Fredericton Age: 33 Posts: 1,696	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 Senerade of Storms: 5/5/5+/5 (20+) Missed that. Also, Passage D has 17 but idk if that means accepted or not because it had two submissions.

03-10-2011, 03:36 AM	#1159
Plan_Bsk81127 snooches Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 32 Posts: 6,420	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 yay, A Beautiful Storm got a 20.

03-10-2011, 03:42 AM	#1160
bmah shots FIRED Global Moderator, User Support, Judge Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Edmonton, AB Age: 35 Posts: 8,448	Re: Queue/Batch Discussion Thread v2 Apologies, it looks like Rebound just forgot to review Sun and Stars. (@rebound: just pm me your review)

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