How come god created the tree of knowledge? - Page 4

slipstrike0159 · 11-8-2006, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by vashthestampede0987

I was fairly sure that hell was created by Satan who was a banished angel for opposing god in some way. Therefore megaxxx just got double fail'd

Its not necessarily that satan CREATED hell, its more like he rebelled against got because he wasnt chosen to become the savior because of his own selfish intentions. He then took everyone who was on his side and left, sitting in eternal darkness.

This is how i see the story, god created the garden of eden for adam and eve to live in. As far as the tree of knowledge goes, it would be fair to say that you could also call it the tree of mortality, in that it granted them the ability to distinguish right from wrong, die, and reproduce. God created the tree so that LATER they could eat from it WITH HIS CONSENT, but he told them not to eat from it until he said so basically. He knew they were going to eat from the tree, and if they hadnt, we would had never existed because they would not have been able to reproduce. So basically its not like eve "screwed us over", because it was meant to happen, just not at that time. Because eve had no perception of right and wrong, when satan came along and suggested that she eats from it, she didnt necessarily know it was wrong other than the fact that god told her not to, so really she didnt know the consequences of her actions yet.

Anyway, that is what i have come to believe as the most accurate, although it is late and i might have left something out.

Laharl · 11-8-2006, 11:51 PM

Some things are to be taken literally. Some things are not. Which things? Well, I guess you'll have to be the judge of that for yourself.

The whole "WELL IT COULD ALL BE FICTION" debate is pretty tiresome. There are things that, even though they happened in the age of recorded history, still are unclear. For example, story goes that Beethoven's first visit to Vienna, he met and played a piece for Mozart (who was one of his idols). Mozart made a comment somewhere along the lines of "Watch out for this one, for he will do great things." However, the meeting may have never happened. We don't know. Whether it did occur or not doesn't really change the fact Beethoven was a fantastic and influential composer and therefore the course of history like, say, the validity of the Bible, but my point is simply that it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to trust anything that isn't witnessed first-hand.

slipstrike0159 · 11-9-2006, 12:07 AM

Well, you could trust it, you just may be misplacing that trust. It is called faith for a reason, because even though you may not have factual knowledge (in the sight of man) of it, it is still possible and may be correct. People make up their own minds in what to place their faith in, and no amount of critisizm and debates will prove them wrong if thats what they believe, especially if there is no evidence to prove them right or wrong.

**ichliebekase** · 11-9-2006, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jtotheackie

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**Chromer** · 11-10-2006, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MalReynolds

Your arguement just defeated itself.

How so? There is historical evidence that crucifixion was a common method of execution in that time period. Is it really so hard to believe that Jesus was crucified as well?

Also for historical evidence backing up Jesus' life:

http://www.probe.org/content/view/18/77/

There you go. Evidence from Non-Christian sources.

MalReynolds · 11-10-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chromer

How so? There is historical evidence that crucifixion was a common method of execution in that time period. Is it really so hard to believe that Jesus was crucified as well?

Also for historical evidence backing up Jesus' life:

http://www.probe.org/content/view/18/77/

There you go. Evidence from Non-Christian sources.

You pretty much said "The bible is true. Except for the parts you don't want to believe is true."

Just the way you had written it in response to Jewpin was self defeating, that's all. I understand what you were getting at.

FoJaR · 11-10-2006, 12:10 PM

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jtotheackie · 11-12-2006, 06:48 PM

Maybe satan and god both just were instead of only god in the beginning. it makes sense if this is true because y would god create satan if we wanted us to follow his rule. it also in genisus never says he created satan. unless all snakes are satan in some way maybe god is both satan and god and we need to respect both. wow my christian believe isn't showing through anymore.

RandomPscho · 11-12-2006, 06:49 PM

God is omnipresent, so god is IN hell.

**Patashu** · 11-12-2006, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jtotheackie

Maybe satan and god both just were instead of only god in the beginning

Except that's not what the bible says.

Satan is a fallen angel; he was hungry for power and tried to take over heaven, and was banished for it (along with all the other angels who took his side)

-Izzy- · 11-13-2006, 10:27 AM

So it makes sense that god "was just here" but it doesnt make sense that the earth could have "just been" here.

<3 that bible.

And to sum up the original question.

He was obviously drunk.

slipstrike0159 · 11-13-2006, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Patashu

Except that's not what the bible says.

Satan is a fallen angel; he was hungry for power and tried to take over heaven, and was banished for it (along with all the other angels who took his side)

He didnt try to "take over heaven" necessarily. It was more like he wanted to be the savior, but he wanted to come down here and force us all to be righteous instead of giving us the agency to sin or not. He also wanted all the glory to go to him instead of god.
To follow up on another question, satan was one of gods children who (because of the freedom of agency) chose to leave his presence because he could not have his own glory, and because he is in outer darkness and suffering he tries to get as many souls to join him as possible out of spite. Misery loves company.

jtotheackie · 11-14-2006, 03:38 PM

another question are angels just like people that god just made to stay up in heaven?

neodarkmagicianking · 11-14-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Patashu

The Garden of Eden is a metaphor, don't think TOO much into it.

Now, who's to say what's a metaphor? The bible is very confusing, especially look at revelations. Now, which parts in there are metaphors and which are to be taken literal? ><

Laharl · 11-14-2006, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jtotheackie

another question are angels just like people that god just made to stay up in heaven?

Angels are an interesting subject, at least to me.

I tend to think of them as God's direct servants and often the arm of the law. The vast majority of scripture that directly talks about angels, everyone cowers in fear at the sight of them, until they speak and say "Fear not." Seriously, if any of you guys actively read the New Testament, take count of how many times this is the case. They always come down to deliver ultimatums, lay some serious smack down, or protect an innocent person from meeting an untimely end (often by eradicating evil).

I think the typical view of angels is so vastly different than what they really are that most people get rather confused about it. This whole idea of Cupid-type cherubs? I have no idea where that sprung from. Probably a pagan idea, most likely. There's nothing wrong with that, mind you. I just think that people who claim to be Christians and refer to nice, pleasant things as angels need to go actually read the Bible. They are "beautiful and terrible."

Grandiagod · 11-14-2006, 05:04 PM

I love all this specualation about beings that have no evidence to support their existance.

**Patashu** · 11-14-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by neodarkmagicianking

Now, who's to say what's a metaphor? The bible is very confusing, especially look at revelations. Now, which parts in there are metaphors and which are to be taken literal? ><

I wouldn't take anything in the bible for its face meaning alone.

PS: 8) Grandiagod

slipstrike0159 · 11-14-2006, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Grandiagod

I love all this specualation about beings that have no evidence to support their existance.

Sure it may be speculation, but as far as evidence, you can go off of the bible, and the book of mormon, whether you believe them to be legitimate sources for the basis of answering questins is your perogative. Angels are (from what i know) to just be children of god chosen to be messengers. When you look at all the accounts of various visions and such you can see that angels appear to people to give information. The way i see it, they arent much different than anyone else that has died or hasnt been born yet, but they are more like celestialized beings sent to do the work of god.

Leatherhead · 11-15-2006, 12:48 PM

im thinking that God made the tree of knowledge so those who seek more of a physical presence to explain things, they can go to it and God can speak through it... Simple enough =\

Grandiagod · 11-15-2006, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Leatherhead

im thinking that God made the tree of knowledge so those who seek more of a physical presence to explain things, they can go to it and God can speak through it... Simple enough =\

I'm an athiest, but I even I know that isn't how the Bible interprets it. Eating the fruit was a BAD thing.

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11-8-2006, 11:51 PM	#62
Laharl FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Age: 38 Posts: 1,821	Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge? Some things are to be taken literally. Some things are not. Which things? Well, I guess you'll have to be the judge of that for yourself. The whole "WELL IT COULD ALL BE FICTION" debate is pretty tiresome. There are things that, even though they happened in the age of recorded history, still are unclear. For example, story goes that Beethoven's first visit to Vienna, he met and played a piece for Mozart (who was one of his idols). Mozart made a comment somewhere along the lines of "Watch out for this one, for he will do great things." However, the meeting may have never happened. We don't know. Whether it did occur or not doesn't really change the fact Beethoven was a fantastic and influential composer and therefore the course of history like, say, the validity of the Bible, but my point is simply that it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to trust anything that isn't witnessed first-hand. __________________ SIG PICTURES: POINTLESSLY TAKING UP BANDWIDTH SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE INTERNET

11-9-2006, 12:07 AM	#63
slipstrike0159 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: In the shadows behind you with my assassin's blade waiting to strike Posts: 568	Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge? Well, you could trust it, you just may be misplacing that trust. It is called faith for a reason, because even though you may not have factual knowledge (in the sight of man) of it, it is still possible and may be correct. People make up their own minds in what to place their faith in, and no amount of critisizm and debates will prove them wrong if thats what they believe, especially if there is no evidence to prove them right or wrong. __________________

11-10-2006, 12:10 PM	#67
FoJaR The Worst Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: space ghost is dead to me Posts: 2,816	Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge? NOBODY EVER LISTENS TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE __________________

11-12-2006, 06:48 PM	#68
jtotheackie FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: MARYLAND Age: 31 Posts: 14	Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge? Maybe satan and god both just were instead of only god in the beginning. it makes sense if this is true because y would god create satan if we wanted us to follow his rule. it also in genisus never says he created satan. unless all snakes are satan in some way maybe god is both satan and god and we need to respect both. wow my christian believe isn't showing through anymore. __________________ DONUTS!!!! MMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!

11-12-2006, 06:49 PM	#69
RandomPscho FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: New York Age: 32 Posts: 504	Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge? God is omnipresent, so god is IN hell.

11-13-2006, 10:27 AM	#71
-Izzy- Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,629	Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge? So it makes sense that god "was just here" but it doesnt make sense that the earth could have "just been" here. <3 that bible. And to sum up the original question. He was obviously drunk.

11-14-2006, 03:38 PM	#73
jtotheackie FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: MARYLAND Age: 31 Posts: 14	Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge? another question are angels just like people that god just made to stay up in heaven? __________________ DONUTS!!!! MMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!

11-14-2006, 05:04 PM	#76
Grandiagod FFR Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Feaefaw Age: 35 Posts: 6,122	Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge? I love all this specualation about beings that have no evidence to support their existance.

11-15-2006, 12:48 PM	#79
Leatherhead FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: In My House Age: 37 Posts: 23	Re: How come god created the tree of knowledge? im thinking that God made the tree of knowledge so those who seek more of a physical presence to explain things, they can go to it and God can speak through it... Simple enough =\

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