03-23-2012, 06:56 PM | #1 |
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Tori No Uta (9 or 10)
This is an extremely simple argument.
Despite the idea of jumping those awful 64ths and the 32nds they're still complete ***got luck to hit. The chart also has one handed sections such as 4 3 4 and 1 2 1 and is stupidly hard when doing the jump technique to not drop any goods or boos even because the awful nature of the chart's intro. On top of all of this, over the frail dream (the "hardest" difficulty 9) still is at minimum double the AAA count. nps graphs for sake of making it easier: Tori No Uta http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/....php?level=197 Over The Frail Dream http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/....php?level=915 Hopefully this gets changed soon. Last edited by nois-or-e; 03-24-2012 at 03:04 AM.. Reason: fixed one of your image tags mate~ |
03-24-2012, 09:23 PM | #2 |
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Re: Tori No Uta (9 or 10)
I'm on the border with this one. It WAS one of my earliest 9 SDGs, but that was luck + whoring
The 16ths-to-jump section is surprisingly easy, but the two 32nd bursts may mess you up. The intro is hard to judge, but I see it as 10 material alone.
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03-28-2012, 08:10 PM | #4 |
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Re: Tori No Uta (9 or 10)
Tori no Uta is a high 9, but it's there for different reasons than OTFD/Forsaken Neon/Rose. Forsaken Neon is sprint-type stream (same speed as Purple!), OTFD demands consistency at speed, Rose is lol technical stream combined with a good bit of speed and control (Hi19 does seem to have a thing for 3-arrow patterns, doesn't he?), and Tori no Uta tests the up-and-coming player's ability to learn how to break down bursts. I'm sure Dossar would agree that this skill becomes more and more crucial at higher levels.
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03-28-2012, 10:11 PM | #5 |
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Re: Tori No Uta (9 or 10)
Hmmmm, i would keep it as a 9 just because nothing in it really screams out 10 material and it is pretty easy to combo. Now getting the AAA, thats a WHOLE different story. The bursts and stuff in it ARE tricky as hell but very learnable after a few tries. lol
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03-29-2012, 11:45 PM | #6 |
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Re: Tori No Uta (9 or 10)
I would keep it as a 9. Just to start off:
Going from that, I FC'ed this on my first time through and my skill level is currently between 8-10 in reading ability, with 10s on the weaker side of my skill level. That said, there isn't anything 10 worthy aside from the bursts, which, even then, are not very difficult. There aren't that many of them and the rest of the song is very easy to combo. Admittedly, my sightread score was not pretty, but my computer was lagging pretty badly so circumstances considered I would have had decent PA on that for a sightread at this difficulty. |
03-30-2012, 04:09 AM | #7 |
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Re: Tori No Uta (9 or 10)
i say keep this a 9. the burst are only for a small amount of arrows, and aren't really in dense sections. yes, AAAing might be hard, but the file isn't difficult enough for a 10 imo
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Re: Tori No Uta (9 or 10)
It just doesn't feel quite like a 10. As far as FCing goes, the bursts are quick, but also easy to cheat. The intro is a tad tedious when it comes to AAAing but the rest of the song isn't nearly hard enough to be considered a 10.
I think 9 is an appropriate difficulty for this song.
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03-30-2012, 08:20 AM | #9 |
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Re: Tori No Uta (9 or 10)
To be honest, I thought Tori No Uta might have been my first 9.
It ended up being Switchback [heavy], but it's most likely my next on the list. It feels like a low 9 to be honest.
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03-30-2012, 08:18 PM | #11 |
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Re: Tori No Uta (9 or 10)
Lets just make ever file in this game a 12 and call it even. Just because a file has one hard part, doesnt warrant it being jumped up a difficulty. AAA the start, you AAA the file.
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FCing a song without mashing (i.e. playing the file as intended) is a far better way of measuring a song's difficulty. Consider this when rating a song. Also, we're working on a new scale now, so these difficulty conflicts might be greatly reduced in the near future. |
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03-31-2012, 02:43 AM | #13 | |
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Because it's hard to make someone understand that something is better than something else because nothing at all, no reasoning. It's just better because you said it was.
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Re: Tori No Uta (9 or 10)
I've already made my explanation if you've read the very first sentence of that post.
As I said, the gap between a SDG and a AAA can be huge. It can be due to any number of reasons, from nervousness to pattern leniency. And it has already been stated that a mash FC is pointless because anyone can do that. As such, FCing a song without mashing is a better measure. There's just too much variance between an almost AAA and a AAA to standardize a difficulty scale from it. It'd be pretty ironic if I actually posted without a reason since I do moderate this subforum. :/ Last edited by bmah; 03-31-2012 at 02:53 AM.. |
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While i don't think this applies to this song per say, I've already stated that i think this a 9 and i don't really plan on changing it, i think he was just saying that PA difficulty should be something that is considered in determining difficulty.
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But sorry about that all man =) And thanks for the clarification, makes most sense to me!
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Re: Tori No Uta (9 or 10)
Not true lol I AAA the start every time but screw up within the file. Thus, the difficulty doesn't just lay within the beginning. The file itself is blah.. Oh well though doesn't matter. Whether it be a 9,10, or 1298. You still play it right? Simple as that just play ^.^
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