I'm transgender

[ilikexd]

Originally Posted by XelNya

Hermaphrodite

I think you mean intersex.

[Arch0wl]

I don't have much to say because my opinion of you isn't any better or worse due to this

[Aquellex]

Originally Posted by XelNya

Edit: I guess for the interests of being fair(?) I'd say for legal reasons there should be four (Male, Female, Hermaphrodite, and Transitioning) but I personally think two is fine otherwise, and like music genres diversifying it too heavily results in some pretty ridiculous things. You're literally allowing an unneeded label to be placed upon yourself. But this is just me.

Some Australian medical facilities use M/F/Transgender/Gender X (Intersex)

[Moria]

Gender X sounds cool, like some kind of alternative rock band

[Aquellex]

Originally Posted by Moria

Gender X sounds cool, like some kind of alternative rock band

we can start this tbh

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by ilikexd

I think you mean intersex.

No. I meant the word I used.

Intersex is fine and all but it's again another label I think isn't needed.

[Aquellex]

Originally Posted by XelNya

No. I meant the word I used.

Intersex is fine and all but it's again another label I think isn't needed.

hermaphrodite is not a recommended word to use in LGBT+ circles

[ilikexd]

Originally Posted by Aquellex

hermaphrodite is not a recommended word to use in LGBT+ circles

It's not even just not recommended, it's flat out incorrect in what it's attempting to describe. Correcting its usage doesn't need to be made to sound like a matter of politeness or preference.

Originally Posted by XelNya

No. I meant the word I used.

Intersex is fine and all but it's again another label I think isn't needed.

You don't know what you're talking about. Hermaphroditism is having male and female sex organs, which by no means describes all intersex people, and referring to your original post ("there are four genders"), it makes no sense as a term to use because having male and female sex organs isn't a gender.

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by ilikexd

You don't know what you're talking about. Hermaphroditism is having male and female sex organs, which by no means describes all intersex people, and referring to your original post ("there are four genders"), it makes no sense as a term to use because having male and female sex organs isn't a gender.

I typed out an argument against this but I don't want to clutter the thread further.

To sum it up though: The words I chose were intentional, and our opinions on how to go about this are very different. That's fine. I think the way I stated is more effective at preventing bad outcomes, and it's a heavy compromise.

There's a bigger issue beyond the feelings of the individual, and there's a lot to take into account when addressing people. The way I handle it is that if you're kind enough to talk to me, and tell me what you prefer, I'll go with it. I'm not going to ask because that's as tacky and rude as asking a woman if she's pregnant. I will however thank you for telling me, and try my best to call you as you please.

Anyways thanks DRG for answering, it's always a fun conversation to see where people stand on this, because even if I disagree it's at least a good way to balance my opinion and sometimes change it.

[awein999]

Originally Posted by Arch0wl

I don't have much to say because my opinion of you isn't any better or worse due to this

someone thinking for themselves *slow clap*

[drizzleRomanceGirl]

Originally Posted by Arch0wl

I don't have much to say because my opinion of you isn't any better or worse due to this

that's fine and it shouldn't be anyway IMO

[rushyrulz]

Originally Posted by XelNya

Hermaphrodite

haven't heard that offensive, archaic term in a great while :/
http://www.isna.org/node/16 edit: oh aquellex already linked this - but I'll leave it.

[xXOpkillerXx]

Truly happy you now feel better even though I seriously hope some day this kind of thing wont be a big deal that attracts Congrats or hate. Sex is sex; if you have an operation you'll have female organs that's just a neutral fact. Pronouns though are simply tied to sex because it's always been like that, shouldn't be offensive in any way. I'm for neutral pronouns no matter the sex (not gender, and "They" isnt a good one because of easy confusion with plural) btw, and for having 0 gender because those are pointless.

You were cool before this thread and you still are

[drizzleRomanceGirl]

Originally Posted by xXOpkillerXx

Truly happy you now feel better even though I seriously hope some day this kind of thing wont be a big deal that attracts Congrats or hate. Sex is sex; if you have an operation you'll have female organs that's just a neutral fact. Pronouns though are simply tied to sex because it's always been like that, shouldn't be offensive in any way. I'm for neutral pronouns no matter the sex (not gender, and "They" isnt a good one because of easy confusion with plural) btw, and for having 0 gender because those are pointless.

You were cool before this thread and you still are

thank you

[Rapta]

hi

[drizzleRomanceGirl]

Originally Posted by Rapta

hi

hi

[Sky Kitten]

<3

[drizzleRomanceGirl]

Originally Posted by choof

now this originally great thread

thank you

[Aquellex]

Originally Posted by Celirra

This is the kind of thing that makes people feel alienated, from both sides.

partisan polarisation?

Originally Posted by choof

ngood job ya idiot now this originally great thread is going to be locked and it's solely your fault

Originally Posted by choof

go back to posting pantera lyrics at least that didn't make me cringe so hard i engulfed my neighborhood in a black hole

apologies, there's something about opkiller's sentiment that now makes me rather uncomfortable, given my experiences with dealing with "sex is sex" sentiments from people greatly influenced by far-right politics

now that I've reanalysed his sentiments, I don't think he was making the sentiment I thought he was, sorry

PM me

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

haven't heard that offensive, archaic term in a great while :/
http://www.isna.org/node/16 edit: oh aquellex already linked this - but I'll leave it.

You're trying to convince someone who thinks it's perfectly fine to say the N word with a hard er that a term is offensive. Assigning words negative stigma only empowers those who use it in an offensive way.

People took a racist word, and it's now used in a house hold cleaning product.

For reference:




Rappers have taken the N word and made a derivative, and use it as a form of empowerment, and brotherhood, a symbol of unity, a positive word. They use it in music, and sell it for a $1.30 on Itunes. People who partake in the entertainment medium, use it when referring to their friends.

It's not fine for me to say someone is "my *****" when they'd say it about me. That's silly. Talk about a double standard.

Dis-empowering a word is the correct reaction, not censoring it. Not trying to erase it.

It can be offensive to you. That's fine. But to me, it's just not. It's something that's there and it does have a place.

But let's flip this for the sake of argument.

As far as I know, and I fully admit I am probably very ignorant here, and that this is not the argument being made, I see the word "cis" thrown around a lot. From my understanding it's the way to say someone's gender identity matches with their birth gender.

How is saying someone is a "cis white male" any better than saying someone is a hermaphrodite? Or, how about how is it any better than saying a person of darker skin is a negro. That rabbit hole only gets worse with things like "mansplaining" and the like.

Hopefully that example makes sense. I'm not trying to say it's exactly the same. I'm merely pointing out that there's a lot of double standards in language right now in what most would call "pc culture."

This is just me though. It's a topic I do like to explore though.