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Just wanna point out the fact that the majority of gun deaths are actually suicides
In 2010 in the USA, 62% of gun deaths were suicide and 50% of successful suicides were committed with a firearm (https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-d...es-statistics/) Personally I think that if you advocate for mental health assistance and suicide prevention, you also have to advocate for gun control or else you're a bit of a hypocrite |
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"theres literally no way to stop this from happening" claims only country where this happens on a regular basis
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people are saying that its not going to change anytime soon if you're just quoting that one Onion article for the sake of quoting it, good for you
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Yeah, in some sense I think the fixation on White People Crime by news media is a form of casual racism: when poor black kids commit multiple homicide, it's seen by the public/MSM as mundane; when it's a white kid, it's sensational, exceptional: after all, mass homicide isn't a White Person Thing™ One other relevant thing is that most of these mass shootings are terroristic in nature: targeting random people in public spaces to further an agenda. On the other hand, gang crime is generally more focused and insular. (Still evil obviously, but to the average White Viewer, a bunch of gang violence in shitty ol' Baltimore City is way more distant than violence in the sacred public space of Wal-Mart) So yes, race is inextricable from the discussion of mass shootings and its reporting |
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I didn't want to say it, but this is an entirely thread worthy thing on its own.
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because when the populace see something like black shootings it's """par for the course""" and thus less of a spectacle but when the Righteous White Man starts shooting, it's seen as abnormal, thus the media coverage EDIT: This is apparent over the years in how it's always about mental health when it's a white shooter. This is because "white people aren't like that, so this white shooter has something wrong with him." When it's a black person or a Muslim, it's terrorism or thuggery. There's a clear double standard. DOUBLE EDIT: To be clear, I'm asserting that America is afraid to admit that white people have historically been "holier than thou" when it comes to violence, but engage in it just as frequently as (if not more than) other American populations. And that realization is gonna be real fucking hard for this country in particular, given how our culture and heritage has specifically capitalized off of the systemic and systematic oppression of the "other."
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Well any shooter (regardless of race) has to have some kind of mental health problem
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Mental illness is 100% every single time a diversionary tactic. A convenient scapegoat that makes white people comfortable, because if it's just "a couple of guys with mental illness", nobody has to actually introspect and critically analyze the culture. It demands no change to the status quo. "I'm not a part of the problem. There is nothing wrong with me. That guy just had mental illness, something that was totally out of my hands. Nothing will change for me personally."
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But the idea that "Nobody in their right mind could do this" basically lets people off the hook by letting them hide behind an illness that doesn't exist. And lets people with financial and political interests in the status quo avoid having to acknowledge their responsibility. Every country has mental health problems. The rest of them don't have mass killing problems. |
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scapegoating mental illness for mass shootings not only avoids the rEaL iSsUes but also increases the stigma towards the mentally ill population
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do you guys really think the shooters are sane people??
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That depends on whether you are using a clinical, or a gross pop culture definition of "sanity/insanity"
I think they have a lot of internalized anger and should be in therapy. I think that toxic masculinity needs to be addressed at a systemic level, but no I don't think these mass shooters are "crazy" in most cases. |
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Port Arthur Shooter who was mad at the world and wanted to kill a lot of people: Not insane by my non-professional opinion
Plenty more people who aren't "insane" they're just "mad at something in particular and have guns" Surely, there are some people who are insane who commit these crimes but nah I don't think that every person who commits these crimes is insane definitely not perfectly mentally healthy tho
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Are content to throw up your hands and say "oh well! it's mental illness" or would you rather actually face reality and find non-trivial causes and solutions? EDIT: Mental illness doesn't make you sit down for a month and plan a massacre on Mexicans. Don't you think that... MAYBE... there are other reasons behind that?
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If you can not control your anger and it leads you to only one possible conclusion: to kill as many people as you can, then yes, your fucking crazy. and you need help.
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No I don't think you can reasonably say "this person was willing to kill other humans" and say there was absolutely nothing wrong with them
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people are saying "insane" isn't the right word
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