TWG CII: 0rbs of power

[freakysnots]

Someone fill me in on this one. Why did netjet lie about sun being green. Sun would know that netjet has a seer orb anyways. Netjet obviously used it on someone, he wouldn't use it on a wolf. Why the fuck did he lie and not just give the true result?

[freakysnots]

It's important that sun tells us who has the vigi orb. Wolves can't kill 2 targets this phase, so revealing the vigi is crucial. The vigi then will use his orb which will reset all the orbs. Wolves cannot kill the vigi, since once the orbs reset, there will be 9/11 chance that the tracker will be guarded next phase, and since vigi is using his orb this phase in order to reset the guard, he has no more value.

[freakysnots]

Guard orb should not have been used. It was used carelessly in order to refresh the orbs faster. Blindly wasting orbs and refreshing orbs faster is a wolf trait. The only way wolves can use the guard orb, is to anticipate when a vigi is going to happen, and use it to prevent the vigi. This is funny because the person who was going to get vigi'd will now get lynched, and if he flips green, the person who used the vigi will be accused of lying and get lynched as well.

Someone needs to be at fault for wasting the guard orb and therefore causing our Tracker to die.

I'm not sure of the level of skill yoman plays at, but seeing how the vigi was not being used, there is absolutely no delay of the orbs refreshing if he held onto the orb for later use. Saving it for a later use as more information came for who is a good guard target is better than using it blindly in order to get rid of the orb from being in play. This is a wolf.

yoman for vigi.

[freakysnots]

Originally Posted by Netjet!

Eh I'm a bit uneasy on this one. Randoming it can throw away the chance for actual use so maybe keeping this one until the second night could help. Remember that the tracker gets results each night about who has what orb - if the wiz 0rb person holds on to it, there's a big opportunity for a temporary gain.

Originally Posted by Tps222

I disagree with all of you.

We may only get 1 or 2 seer opportunities this game. Why would you potentially waste one of them on a pure guess? It'd be better to wait until night 2 to use the seer ability. Look at last game. V or Manti would have been seer'd for sure, but we wouldn't have thought that Night 1.

Thanks netjet for being the most helpful.

[freakysnots]

The higher level of thought in Netjet's post is tps at work. Which ends my night 2 contributions.

[j-rodd123]

lol tps

[j-rodd123]

lol @ people trying to take credit out of nowhere for mentioning netjet early. i mean like if you're human then great read, cool, but I mean xiz you could still easily be a wolf Netjet didn't even vote for you as your wagon quickly gained steam. Just saying because out of the gates you try to come at netjet but then abandon it until it's brought up at end of day isn't exactly LOCK CLEAR

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by freakysnots

Someone fill me in on this one. Why did netjet lie about sun being green. Sun would know that netjet has a seer orb anyways. Netjet obviously used it on someone, he wouldn't use it on a wolf. Why the fuck did he lie and not just give the true result?

this was obviously the huge flaw in netjet's plan. there's no way in this game he'd seer sunfan first. LOL WOLVES for thinking this, you guys are terrible quit now. he clearly didn't use the seer orb, and was holding onto it, a plan tps brought up to me, just food for thought

[j-rodd123]

moral of the story is

LOL WOLVES

[freakysnots]

Originally Posted by j-rodd123

he clearly didn't use the seer orb, and was holding onto it, a plan tps brought up to me, just food for thought

I disagree. The tracker will know that he didn't use the seer orb next phase. He wouldn't have said in the thread that he used it if he didn't use it.

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by freakysnots

I disagree. The tracker will know that he didn't use the seer orb next phase. He wouldn't have said in the thread that he used it if he didn't use it.

why? wolves don't need the seer orb since they know who the reds are. he just happened to pick the 1/9 person who actually was blue, he clearly didn't use the orb, hopefully it got randed to a human now though. i'm thinking we have another seering as well as a vigi right now.

plus tracker is dying tonight

[j-rodd123]

unless he used it on someone, got a green result, and then fake claimed sunfan. don't know why they'd do that, but he definitely didn't use the orb on sunfan or else he would have gotten blue.

but if the small chance he did seer sunfan and got blue, then came out to him saying he got a green result and remained persistent on it, then

LOL WOLVES

, but this is super unlikely imo

[j-rodd123]

this is just worthless speculation, but i'm guessing he didn't use the orb and it was just randomed amongst the living. if this happened, whoever got it DO NOT claim in the thread, just go to sunfan and tell him you have the orb and he can confirm that the seer orb is still in play

[freakysnots]

Orbs reset once all orbs are used.

Netjet even mentioned himself that we should be saving orbs for situational usage. It's in the wolves best interest to waste orbs, and using a seer on anyone in night 1 would have done that.

Also the tracker knows if netjet used didn't use the orb yet he still gave a reading in the thread meaning that he used it. At the end of tonight, the tracker is going to get a reading that netjet still has the orb since he didn't use it on night 1.

Read the description of the Tracker: The Tracker will receive a pm at the end of each night telling him who had an orb during the night phase. He will not be told if the orb was used or not.

Wolves also benefit from orb resets happening more frequently as it gives them a chance of rolling the vigi orb. A vigi for the human team just accelerates the game by having "2 lynches" per phase, but a vigi for the wolf team means "2 kills". 2 kills has more value than 2 lynches since kills are more accurate.

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by freakysnots

Someone needs to be at fault for wasting the guard orb and therefore causing our Tracker to die.

note that it's a wizard orb. using it on the tracker would neuter the tracker's ability anyway.

Originally Posted by j-rodd123

this is just worthless speculation, but i'm guessing he didn't use the orb and it was just randomed amongst the living.

pretty sure the seer orb still wouldn't replenish in that case until the vigi is used.

[j-rodd123]

if you were given the seer orb now, it means netjet was holding onto it. Do not claim in the thread, but tell thesunfan you got it and he can relay the message.
if you were given the seer orb now, it means netjet was holding onto it. Do not claim in the thread, but tell thesunfan you got it and he can relay the message.
if you were given the seer orb now, it means netjet was holding onto it. Do not claim in the thread, but tell thesunfan you got it and he can relay the message.
if you were given the seer orb now, it means netjet was holding onto it. Do not claim in the thread, but tell thesunfan you got it and he can relay the message.
if you were given the seer orb now, it means netjet was holding onto it. Do not claim in the thread, but tell thesunfan you got it and he can relay the message.

[freakysnots]

Originally Posted by j-rodd123

unless he used it on someone, got a green result, and then fake claimed sunfan. don't know why they'd do that, but he definitely didn't use the orb on sunfan or else he would have gotten blue.

but if the small chance he did seer sunfan and got blue, then came out to him saying he got a green result and remained persistent on it, then

LOL WOLVES

, but this is super unlikely imo

I wasn't around for all the AIM conversations off the thread, but I read somewhere in the thread that everyone found sunfan to be human from purely the conversations.

I believe he didn't give his true target in order to not provide human team with more helpful information by taking a 1 / 9 risk.

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by freakysnots

Orbs reset once all orbs are used.

Netjet even mentioned himself that we should be saving orbs for situational usage. It's in the wolves best interest to waste orbs, and using a seer on anyone in night 1 would have done that.

Also the tracker knows if netjet used didn't use the orb yet he still gave a reading in the thread meaning that he used it. At the end of tonight, the tracker is going to get a reading that netjet still has the orb since he didn't use it on night 1.

Read the description of the Tracker: The Tracker will receive a pm at the end of each night telling him who had an orb during the night phase. He will not be told if the orb was used or not.

Wolves also benefit from orb resets happening more frequently as it gives them a chance of rolling the vigi orb. A vigi for the human team just accelerates the game by having "2 lynches" per phase, but a vigi for the wolf team means "2 kills". 2 kills has more value than 2 lynches since kills are more accurate.

yes but he could have held it for 1 or 2 more nights, since we don't know who has the vigi orb, it would also force the tracker to claim. like we KNOW he didn't actually seer thesunfan, unless

LOL WOLVES

choooooooooked

[freakysnots]

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

note that it's a wizard orb. using it on the tracker would neuter the tracker's ability anyway.

i confused wizard with guard. fuck

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by freakysnots

I wasn't around for all the AIM conversations off the thread, but I read somewhere in the thread that everyone found sunfan to be human from purely the conversations.

I believe he didn't give his true target in order to not provide human team with more helpful information by taking a 1 / 9 risk.

yeah that's the likeliest explanation assuming it was used, and right now it is just speculation, hopefully he didn't and someone comes to sunfan, but again it's not like either way can be definitive