How to get better at FFR

[who_cares973]

i like to play around 10 games at a higher speed mod then go down to my usual speed. it seems to help my reading abilities but i dont know it could just be me

[Luigi186]

i just play and im pretty decent lol idk mabey its just from playing guitar hero alot lol

[Ratchetlombax]

Who here thinks Death Piano is too easy?

I have been playing FFR for three days and counting, and I have only watched one video of FFR before actually signing up. Despite having the For Guru's Only difficulty rating, the arrow patterns seem to be annoyingly simple to me. Does anyone else think the same? I wound up with about 300,000 points on my first try... and I'm trying to put up a petition for Xi to release a harder, Death Piano V2 to the public...

[Breakdown16]

Originally Posted by Ratchetlombax

Who here thinks Death Piano is too easy?

I have been playing FFR for three days and counting, and I have only watched one video of FFR before actually signing up. Despite having the For Guru's Only difficulty rating, the arrow patterns seem to be annoyingly simple to me. Does anyone else think the same? I wound up with about 3,000,000 points on my first try... and I'm trying to put up a petition for Xi to release a harder, Death Piano V2 to the public...

First of all, Xi is the artist of the song, not the stepfile. Secondly, you can't force the person who made the stepfile to make a v2. Third, I'm sorry, but I can't help but doubt your legitimacy if you've only been playing this game for three days and already can score higher than even many master players.

Edit: You made a typo there. You scored 300,000 points, not 3,000,000 points. In my eyes, not impressive at all, but that's still a very remarkable pass if you've been here for such a short while. Death Piano is not easy in the slightest. Try getting a 1000+ combo - can you do it? Then consider the insane skill required to FC, which some people have done legitimately. It's easy for me to FC most FMOs and lower, but FGOs are crazy songs that only the best can score well on.

Second edit: You didn't even pass it and you call it easy?

[Ratchetlombax]

Originally Posted by Breakdown16

First of all, Xi is the artist of the song, not the stepfile. Secondly, you can't force the person who made the stepfile to make a v2. Third, I'm sorry, but I can't help but doubt your legitimacy if you've only been playing this game for three days and already can score higher than even many master players.

I'm not FORCING anyone to write a stepfile. I'm just suggesting it, because I don't know how to create stepfiles, though if I did, I WOULD take the time to write a Death Piano II stepfile to one of my classical piano compositions of similar genre (Yes, I play piano, which is why I'm more interested in this than the hugely infamous Vertex Beta vROFL). If you don't believe I can rack up three hundred thousand on a supremely difficult song like this ON MY FIRST TRY, I won't blame you. I do think the stepfile is rather ingenious, what with NINE different note-colors in it, but I did have trouble at the wall of doom preceeding quad jacks. However, the fact remains I have a virtually superhuman reaction timing (fifty microseconds), as was demonstrated in one of my relatively well-known YouTube videos. I'm not saying I came close to AAA'ing it--no, I got lower than 500 perfects on it--but I just had a feeling it wasn't tough enough. DEATH PIANO is a name that is supposed to bring chills down someone's spine before they play it, and promptly burn out their fingers while they play it, as they stare in shock at the ridiculously high scores that FFR Gods and Goddesses have attained (of whom I believe MrRubix was the grand champion).

My apologies for my lack of indentation, spacing and paragraphs.

Edit: I keep losing after the yellow-red-yellow-red section following the second burst, but prior to that I find it too easy. The only real problem I face is that I have to double-tap some of my keysto get them to register, which winds up giving me boos and misses occasionally.

Second Edit: I DID INDEED complete it. My top score is now slightly over 810,000. Now that I have a working Fingerworks TouchStream I have NO TROUBLE getting the notes right.

[Breakdown16]

1. I'd be interested in knowing how you would step Death Piano. Do you wish to elaborate?

2. Fifty microseconds is insane timing, you should be AAA'ing a lot of the easy songs, no problem.

3. Actually try to pass DP for a start, it should make your fingers hurt somewhat at the least.

4.

I do think the stepfile is rather ingenious, what with NINE different note-colors in it, but I did have trouble at the wall of doom preceeding quad jacks.

Are you referring to Death Piano? It seems as if you're referring to vRofl.

4. Your best score on Death Piano is 300,000. Proof:

[Ratchetlombax]

Originally Posted by Breakdown16

I'd be interested in knowing how you would step Death Piano.

Wouldn't we all? Here's how the current version starts (in 16th note intervals) :

< >
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I, personally, think the chromatic techniques and whatnot very interesting, and it matches the difficulty of the song, unlike vROFL which is too hard for the simplicity and elegance of it's melody. However, my proposition for a second generation of Death Piano goes to the melody of Escape to Infinity, a piano composition that took nearly a year and a half (480 or so days, according to the calendar hanging off my fridge) to write. The song starts with a jumpstream chain, leading into a series of four-frame jacks connected further to a more complicated sequence of notes. There would be a pattern, but the bpm rate would be relatively high (200-228). I've completely written the first half on Notepad, in the same format as described above. If you reject that thought, I have an alternative step sequence to the same melody of the current Death Piano, and thus a congruent bpm with a more difficult step pattern:

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As well as I can currently do. If you know how to write stepfiles, please tell me so I can turn this idea into reality. Or at least a stepfile.

I said that there were NINE colors of notes. The only white note I can recall is after the 30-second section after the second big burst, in which the notes were much more sparse. Immediately following it is a five note pattern, the second of which is pure white. Also, when I refer to quad jacks, I don't mean the ones in vROFL with between sixteen and forty in a row THAT COMPLETELY FILL UP THE PLAY ENVIRONMENT, I meant the final four beats in this pattern (each new line is a 8th triplet) :

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As best as I can describe. Yeah, my memory's pretty good too.
If you don't believe my reaction timing, check with my doctor. The only reason I haven't AAA'd a song is because of two reasons:
1: My E, U, H and T keys (yes, I have a Dvorak) often refuse to show up when I press them rapidly, as I do in FFR.
2: I can never, ever tell when an arrow goes into the PERFECT area for me to hit it. If I hit perfect, its purely by chance.
Now, once I get a TouchStream, the former will no longer be a problem. As soon as somebody explains to me exactly where the arrow has to be to be a PERFECT, the latter will be solved. GOODBYE.

[tangomango]

Originally Posted by Ratchetlombax

I, personally, think the chromatic techniques and whatnot very interesting, and it matches the difficulty of the song, unlike vROFL which is too hard for the simplicity and elegance of it's melody.

vROFL is a joke file, which explains why "it's too hard for its melody"

Originally Posted by Ratchetlombax

As well as I can currently do. If you know how to write stepfiles, please tell me so I can turn this idea into reality. Or at least a stepfile.

Use Stepmania to write stepfiles. Just a warning, if you are planning to try to do a v2 for Death Piano, it's not going to be easy.

Originally Posted by Ratchetlombax

2: I can never, ever tell when an arrow goes into the PERFECT area for me to hit it. If I hit perfect, its purely by chance.
Now, once I get a TouchStream, the former will no longer be a problem. As soon as somebody explains to me exactly where the arrow has to be to be a PERFECT, the latter will be solved. GOODBYE.

Hit the key when the arrow matches the top arrow. I forgot how exact you have to be, but it doesn't really matter. Just play for a while and you'll get better at it.


Also, I can definitely tell you that Death Piano is not easy. While some parts can be considered less challenging, the ending with the quads and the trill definitely a challenging part.

[Ratchetlombax]

Originally Posted by tangomango

vROFL is a joke file, which explains why "it's too hard for its melody"




Use Stepmania to write stepfiles. Just a warning, if you are planning to try to do a v2 for Death Piano, it's not going to be easy.




Hit the key when the arrow matches the top arrow. I forgot how exact you have to be, but it doesn't really matter. Just play for a while and you'll get better at it.


Also, I can definitely tell you that Death Piano is not easy. While some parts can be considered less challenging, the ending with the quads and the trill definitely a challenging part.

First, I kind of know its a joke file. Specifically, it is an April Fools' Day joke, and was released to the public on April 1st, 2007. I don't like it, mainly because I don't have it.

Second, I'm having difficulty even getting started with the stepfile. I've been reading up on how to make one, and it's not working out well for some reason. But thanks for the heads-up, I really appreciate it.

Third, I know that at a certain point along its journey toward the stationary marker, an arrow will suddenly turn dark. I think the instant in time that it passes, you hit the key. However, In the 50 microseconds I have to respond, the arrow shifts 1-2 frames up and winds up as either a good or a miss. I'll work on it.

Fourth, the Quads are definitely challenging, but what I think is the toughest section is the one where a continuous stream of notes is played on two keys while two others must be hit in rapid succession. But one thing can be said for sure: don't hit them too hard. It broke one of my keyboards, which is why I got the Dvorak.

[TC_Halogen]

Ratchet, if you find it hard to time the arrows to the timing windows, simply do this: Follow the music's beat spot on. Each color subdivides the beats:

Quarter Notes = Red
Eighth Notes = Blue
Twelfth Notes = Purple
Sixteenth Notes = Yellow
24th Notes = Light Purple
32nd = Orange
(I can't remember at the moment...)

Then, if you find yourself getting lots of goods instead of perfects, look near the dock arrows and see exactly where your hits are happening in comparison to the song. If your arrows are going past the targets, hit a bit earlier; if they are staying in front of the targets, hit them later.

[Patashu]

Originally Posted by Ratchetlombax

First, I kind of know its a joke file. Specifically, it is an April Fools' Day joke, and was released to the public on April 1st, 2007. I don't like it, mainly because I don't have it.

Second, I'm having difficulty even getting started with the stepfile. I've been reading up on how to make one, and it's not working out well for some reason. But thanks for the heads-up, I really appreciate it.

Just so you know, you can download Shashakiro's version of death piano from the simfile db. The one on ffr is basically the oni chart but watered down. That will give you the correct sync to work with.

Or are you referring to making your own piano composition then stepping that? I can't quite tell. If you are, though, it's gotta have a name even better than Death Piano.

[lxDestinyxl]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Quarter Notes = Red
Eighth Notes = Blue
Twelfth Notes = Purple
Sixteenth Notes = Yellow
24th Notes = Light Purple
32nd = Orange
(I can't remember at the moment...)

Red - 4th note
Blue - 8th note
Purple - 12th note
Yellow - 16th note
Pink - 24th note
Orange - 32nd note
Light blue - 48th note
Green - 64th note
White - 192nd note

Also, in addition to this fuss about Death Piano, it is a four piano composition, not a solo. Secondly, if you hadn't wasted the time analysing two different songs in depth as described above in your lengthy posts, I'm pretty sure you would have proved to us your inner abilities and your 50 microsecond reflexes we assume you are able to achieve.

Last but not least, please keep general song analysis and its comments in it's proper category, not in this thread.

[4_teddybears]

Originally Posted by Ratchetlombax

....I know that at a certain point along its journey toward the stationary marker, an arrow will suddenly turn dark. I think the instant in time that it passes, you hit the key. However, In the 50 microseconds I have to respond, the arrow shifts 1-2 frames up and winds up as either a good or a miss. I'll work on it....

Ok. Firstly, what is this about the arrow turning dark? maybe you have one of the wierd settings on, or perhaps it's your monitor, because that never happens to my arrows.

Second, this is the main thing. WTF are you talking about when you say "In the 50 microseconds I have to respond" =D. Seriously, you have 2000 times longer than that to respond and hit a perfect!

Here's why: In FFR each second is split into 30 frames. Each arrow sits within 7 of those frames. First frame is an average, second a good, next 3 are perfects, the last 2 are goods.
That means that your window for hiting a perfect is three 30ths of a second. Thats right, you've got one tenth(0.1) of a second of an ENTRIE second!

How quickly did you say that you can react? fifty microseconds!!! thats 50 millionths of a second, 50*10^-6 or 0.00005 seconds. Divide 0.1 by that, and you get 2000.
So with reactions as fast as you claim, you should not only be able to hit perfects every time, but hit them within any frame you choose!

I have considered that you may have meant milliseconds(one thousandth), in which case you would be able to react twice as quickly as was required. 50 milliseconds = one 20th of a second.

In either case you should have no problem hitting perfects, which should be hit as the moving arrow completely eclipses the stationary one.

Originally Posted by Ratchetlombax

....I can never, ever tell when an arrow goes into the PERFECT area for me to hit it. If I hit perfect, its purely by chance... ...As soon as somebody explains to me exactly where the arrow has to be to be a PERFECT, the latter will be solved.

Hope this helps =)

[dyingkiller]

hey what is mp level?

[lxDestinyxl]

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[Ratchetlombax]

Originally Posted by 4_teddybears

Ok. Firstly, what is this about the arrow turning dark? maybe you have one of the wierd settings on, or perhaps it's your monitor, because that never happens to my arrows.

Second, this is the main thing. WTF are you talking about when you say "In the 50 microseconds I have to respond" =D. Seriously, you have 2000 times longer than that to respond and hit a perfect!

Here's why: In FFR each second is split into 30 frames. Each arrow sits within 7 of those frames. First frame is an average, second a good, next 3 are perfects, the last 2 are goods.
That means that your window for hiting a perfect is three 30ths of a second. Thats right, you've got one tenth(0.1) of a second of an ENTRIE second!

Sorry, I meant to say 50 milliseconds, or 50,000 microseconds (I often get them mixed up when talking about reaction timing and subdivisions of seconds when speedcubing!)

Originally Posted by 4_teddybears

I have considered that you may have meant milliseconds(one thousandth), in which case you would be able to react twice as quickly as was required. 50 milliseconds = one 20th of a second.

In either case you should have no problem hitting perfects, which should be hit as the moving arrow completely eclipses the stationary one.

Again, I did mean milliseconds. Your mathematics and coherent logic are highly commendable.

Originally Posted by 4_teddybears

Hope this helps =)

It does. Now to get a good keyboard that doesn't ignore my first few hundred keystrokes ('_')

To Patashu: I know it is a four piano composition, Death Piano.
To Destiny: I know that I shouldn't be analyzing any songs in depth in this particular area.

To whoever doubts my stepping abilities: I have completed one song and am working on another.
When I finally figured out how to step songs, I went on a rush. I'm in the middle of three. One of my Stepfile compositions is to the tune of "Apologize" by OneRepublic, and the other is a WIP for my composition. "Death Piano" isn't applicable anymore, it's not original. How does "Escape to Infinity" sound? (It is a one-piano composition). My third is to "Sandstorm" by Darude, and I want to give it a kick that will convincingly make it an FGO song. Now, how exactly do I submit a stepfile to FFR once I've completed it?

[Shika Maxx]

practice, practice

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by Ratchetlombax

When I finally figured out how to step songs, I went on a rush. I'm in the middle of three. One of my Stepfile compositions is to the tune of "Apologize" by OneRepublic, and the other is a WIP for my composition. "Death Piano" isn't applicable anymore, it's not original. How does "Escape to Infinity" sound? (It is a one-piano composition). My third is to "Sandstorm" by Darude, and I want to give it a kick that will convincingly make it an FGO song. Now, how exactly do I submit a stepfile to FFR once I've completed it?

None of the songs sound like they are covered by FFR permissions. If you would like to see what artists have songs that you can step from, you should take a look at the Artist Blanket Permissions thread in the Songs/Permissions subforum.

[numnum123]

keep practicing that's all i do

[aquaaa]

haha people get so serious about this, but it is quite addicting.