TWG XXVII Postgame

[MilfeulleSakuraba]

Wolves: talisman (master), JurseyRider734, Tps222
Seer: Tasselfoot
Wolfsbane: mead1

The wolves were doomed from the start since mead hit the jackpot by telling Tass Night 1 that he was the wolfsbane. Sorry guys.

I liked how this game played out, and am interested in using the idea again. The humans won, yes, but they got a LOT of lucky help - Tass being the seer, mead being an unlikely wolf kill, the bane coming out to the seer before the game started, and every single wolf kill being someone not in the alliance (first three seerings were Neo, eb and Afro) until the alliance outnumbered the wolves and Tass could simply remove people systematically. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the next time this game was played it swung the other way.

I figured talisman would eventually take a chance and wolf Tass, but he never did. Oh well.

Everyone go out and watch Pani Poni Dash!, it's a lot funnier than my meager writing skills make it out to be.

[MiniNeo]

Loller. Tass seered me night one, told me to stay under the radar and... yeah that is pretty much it.

Everyone elses' game plan?

[Afrobean]

Sorry for not actually helping fellow humans.

Actually, sorry for actually hurting the team. I didn't help at all and I pressed for the lynch of the bane.

Haha. You gotta admit my analysis of that post on day 1 was pretty damn good for day 1 though.

[Tasselfoot]

I'm in the middle of a radio show with Mead.... I'll post more later, including a convo with Talisman from post-game where we talk a bunch about the game.

[evilbutterfly]

TWG is still boring. Bring back Infiltration or I don't wanna play anymore. -__-

PS: gg I didn't help at all

[Wilkin]

So, uh...

Ooopsy. Sorry 'bout that, Vash.

Anyway, some quick questions for Tass:

1) Why didn't you seer me within the first two days? Me being a new player and all, I'd figure it'd be to your advantage not to have such an unknown among the group.

2) Was the day 2 lynching based on the fact that you were just gonna lynch the other the next day (as you did), or something deeper? I'm interested in how you came about your decision (don't take it wrong, no hard feelings).


In any case, though, thanks for making my first FFR TWG a fun and interesting one, guys. Maybe next time I won't be a human-lyncher.

[talisman]

some key points:

iggy- I forget why, honestly. It was more of a compromise really... jurs wouldn't kill hans, tps didn't like the idea of afro because he assumed he would just go for tass, somehow we all thought going for tass would be bad, dunno

hans - this was a stupid kill. jurs' idea, and I should have seen that it would get her in trouble. We thought alot about killing mini here, as we figured tass would be likely to have him seered, but chose not to (because it would scream that I was a wolf. or blah).

blah - deliberately dumb plus we didn't want any of blah reminding people why I was still alive.

mini - see above... although at this point we couldn't help killing an alliance member.

the rest of the kills were all for me trying to figure out who I'd survive best against on the last day. I figured I'd be screwed either way, but planned on taking mead or eb, and chose mead at the end.

jurs told tass we had talked together the last day which was kinda dumb... better lie would have been to say we hadn't talked at all... it would have been just as defensible. But whatever, we were pretty much screwed at that point anyway.

I tried to keep my posts the same... and I think they were, for the most part. As tass told me, I didn't post enough, and this was because of me having too much RL school stuff to deal with, so that much was honest.

for a while we toyed with the idea that tass was the seer and had managed to seer the bane night one... but dismissed this as improbable. oops. ps to blues in the future: stop going to tass night one. wtf is that. if tass had been a wolf he would have absolutely owned the **** out of the game.

[Tasselfoot]

I still did own the **** out of the game. Just for the humans.

Wilkin, I'll answer your post when I'm off the air.

[Tasselfoot]

Wilkin, I did not seer you because I thought there was a more than likely shot you'd get yourself lynched... or in a position where you would be lynched without me intervening and giving away that I had seered you. That would be unacceptable. Plus, after Night 1 I was letting Mead control the seerings, in an attempt to further his trust in me. Plus I didn't disagree with his choices.

The day 2 lynching was a mistake. I realized it seconds after I voted for you. More than anything, the reason was that Vash was getting a phantom and you weren't. Therefore, I should have voted him and not you. It was because of his phantom that he was lynched the next day, not from anything else. Was also dumb luck that we picked him over TPS (kinda), when both had phantoms.

The reason I didn't lynch TPS on day 3 was the fact that I specifically blew up at him for his getting a phantom and apathy during day 2. I said I'd lynch him, so I didn't want to. Meh.




Convo with Talisman:
TasselFoot: i assume mead did too
stressreliefball: so yeah it's done
stressreliefball: of course I was the wolf
TasselFoot: tps, jurs, you?
stressreliefball: yeah
stressreliefball: duh
TasselFoot: yeah.
stressreliefball: god
stressreliefball: they were not much help
stressreliefball: got themselves too much suspicion too early
TasselFoot: why did you not attack mead?
stressreliefball: I wanted it to be over
TasselFoot: haha
TasselFoot: you were getting lynched anyway.
stressreliefball: would you really have voted eb
stressreliefball: exactly
TasselFoot: never
TasselFoot: i told kilga back pre-tps' seering... that it was tps, you, jurs
TasselFoot: but, yea. took a while to get there.
stressreliefball: so lame though
stressreliefball: and then jurs goes and tells you we had talked
TasselFoot: yup.
stressreliefball: why she did that I still don't know
stressreliefball: so dumb
TasselFoot: and then claims to not have logs.
TasselFoot: that kinda sealed it.
stressreliefball: yeah for real
TasselFoot: you have skype?
TasselFoot: and mic?
stressreliefball: nope
TasselFoot: ****
stressreliefball: yeah
TasselFoot: we so need a 3-way skype chat.
stressreliefball: see here's the thing
stressreliefball: anyone but you as bane
stressreliefball: this game would have been easy as hell
TasselFoot: i'm so glad you believed i was the bane.
stressreliefball: was it mead?
TasselFoot: yeah
TasselFoot: i was teh seer
stressreliefball: we figured something like that could have happened
TasselFoot: so attacking mead would have been a save.
TasselFoot: pure coincedence.
TasselFoot: mead came to me night 1
TasselFoot: told me he was the bane.
stressreliefball: rofl
TasselFoot: i told him not to go public.
TasselFoot: then day 1, after nobody came out, i told him i was the seer, believed he was the bane, and revealed my plan
stressreliefball: we planned on faking
TasselFoot: which was a ****ing sick ass plan, no?
stressreliefball: only problem was
TasselFoot: i wish you had. or faked seer...
stressreliefball: we would have had to have faked with jurs
TasselFoot: but you were MW.
stressreliefball: because no sense wasting the master
stressreliefball: right
stressreliefball: and if tps did it
stressreliefball: it would just be ruled as a tps thing
TasselFoot: suspicious as hell
stressreliefball: so that sort of killed that plan
TasselFoot: AND i would have been all over him in Troy
TasselFoot: whereas, i kinda ignored TWG
stressreliefball: then after that
stressreliefball: I deliberately made kills I wouldn't make
TasselFoot: the fact that i said i'd lynch him just for being him?
TasselFoot: ahh. i wondered about that.
stressreliefball: I mean
stressreliefball: I don't know who you were seering
TasselFoot: the kill on blah made no sense.
stressreliefball: but we figured it would be people like mini
stressreliefball: or lower down
TasselFoot: i seered, in order... mini, afro, eb, tps, talisman, mead.
stressreliefball: right
stressreliefball: that's what I thought at first
stressreliefball: but I thought if I wolfed mini
stressreliefball: that then it would be obvious that either I or blah was a wolf
stressreliefball: because who else would think that deep?
stressreliefball: I didn't think mead was the seer
stressreliefball: btw
stressreliefball: I assumed we killed the seer earlier when jurs didn't die sooner
stressreliefball: because I figured after your voting her you would have seered her
stressreliefball: no it's that jurs ****ed up and made ****ty day one posts
stressreliefball: you guys in mirc?
TasselFoot: no
stressreliefball: k
stressreliefball: did afro know he was in the alliance?
stressreliefball: or, had been seered?
TasselFoot: yes, i told him he was seered human on the day that i seered tps. reasoning: mead thought afro was MW (i didn't), but it was a precaution.
TasselFoot: if he was human, it didn't matter. if he was MW, then he would think TPS wasn't seered and it was just lucky.
stressreliefball: hmm ok
TasselFoot: then you killed him that night
TasselFoot: so it didn't matter
stressreliefball: the one major mistake we made
stressreliefball: was the hans kill
stressreliefball: I'll admit that
stressreliefball: it was kinda funny too
TasselFoot: why
TasselFoot: funny, that is.
stressreliefball: well
stressreliefball: cause night one
TasselFoot: definately was not a good kill.
stressreliefball: tps and I were fine with killing hans
stressreliefball: but jurs was like "NO HANS IS MY LOVE CANNOT KILL HIM"
TasselFoot: haha. it was the hans kill that made me jump jurs day 2.
stressreliefball: then night 2 she was like "WE MUST KILL HIM PEOPLE WILL NEVER THINK I WOULD DO THAT"
TasselFoot: for the exact opposite reason
TasselFoot: EXACTLY
TasselFoot: i even posted that
stressreliefball: yeah, you were right on there
stressreliefball: and I didn't really care
stressreliefball: I know I brought up mini
stressreliefball: as the most likely seering target
stressreliefball: but like I said earlier... it would have been too smart a kill
TasselFoot: you know me too well then.
TasselFoot: he was the perfect seering target night 1.
stressreliefball: yeah, except we were assuming you would seer him night two
stressreliefball: or well
stressreliefball: that's when we were thinking about it
TasselFoot: have him seered.
stressreliefball: the thinking was like this
TasselFoot: because the seer wouldn't be smart enough to have him seered night 1
stressreliefball: tass thinks we'll kill people he would seer like blah, for example
stressreliefball: therefore we should kill people at the low end of the spectrum
TasselFoot: also, iggy was a giveaway that you were a wolf.
stressreliefball: heh
stressreliefball: it wasn't even my idea either
TasselFoot: i thought it for a while, but like tps, i couldn't force myself to lynch you
stressreliefball: I think tps or jurs brought him up
stressreliefball: I forget why
stressreliefball: I wanted guido
TasselFoot: all 3 of you i wanted to lynch from day 2, but i seriously couldn't bring myself to lynch you guys.
stressreliefball: at least I managed not to post that suspiciously
stressreliefball: or at least, not to the degree of tps or jurs
TasselFoot: you didn't post enough
stressreliefball: yeah, but that was really because of IRL stuff
stressreliefball: like I claimed
stressreliefball: that much was truthful


I think there were other points I wanted to bring up.... but I don't remember what I covered in the convo or not. So if you have a question regarding my actions/thoughts during this TWG, just post and I'll answer them.

[Wilkin]

Heh. Well, looks like you thought right.

And it figures that the one situation I didn't think of was the one that happened. It was probably a good thing not to have too many possibilities out there, or else the suspicions would've gone wild. Tass might've even been wolfed, since apparently the thought crossed the wolves' minds. It would've been a similarly interesting game if that had happened, though.

[GuidoHunter]

stressreliefball: I wanted guido

Awwwww... <3

By the way, see if I'm EVER active on Day 1 again. Last two games I was human I decided I wanted to make a real vote on Days 1 and 2. Both got me lynched.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Tasselfoot]

Oh yeah... talisman, mead was planning on going public as the wolfsbane at the start of day 1. He was all excited about it. He didn't think that telling 1 person over AIM on night 1 would do anything. He was planning on telling other people on AIM.

Needless to say, I stopped him from telling anyone else. And the rest is history. But, the point is that he wasn't planning for what happened to happen, nor did he even consider it a possibility until I told him what was going on. And, yes. I realized right from the start that I could have just as easily been a wolf as the seer (3x more likely, in fact)... yet he would never have a way of knowing differently. I think seering 3 humans in a row went a long way towards proving me being the seer, as a wolf would never make things so 1-sided, correct or incorrect. I'm just glad that Mead pretty much accepted me from the start and never questioned it. Mostly because from the second he IMed me I was defensive and asking questions that would only be useful if I were the seer. Aka, I didn't have time to come up with a plan to fake seer to Mead... if I had been a wolf, there would have been no way that I could have reacted to quickly and had a plan formed so fast.


Session Start (Tasselfoot:fhqwhgads703): Sun Feb 26 12:04:27 2006
fhqwhgads703: Did you honestly not know what a furry was until the last week?
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TasselFoot: yes.
fhqwhgads703: wtf
fhqwhgads703: I thought it was part of the knowledge one gained the moment they became an internet person
TasselFoot: apparently i was an internet person BEFORE furries... therefore, it was not bestowed on me.
fhqwhgads703: It just seems like one of those things everyone in the universe knows about
TasselFoot: guess not.
fhqwhgads703: Yeah
fhqwhgads703: So, you wolf again?
TasselFoot: you'd know.
fhqwhgads703: No, because I'm wolfsbane
fhqwhgads703: I'm coming out when day 1 starts
TasselFoot: ok.
TasselFoot: seriously?
fhqwhgads703: Seriously
TasselFoot: might i advice against that, if you are.
fhqwhgads703: Why? worst case scenario someone else comes out and you guys have a 50/50 shot at a wolf, best case it starts the alliance on day one
TasselFoot: there is a seer to work the alliance.
TasselFoot: coming out as the wolfsbane gives the wolves a free reign to kill whoever they want with 100% certainty.
TasselFoot: not coming out at least makes them SLIGHTLY more hesitant.
fhqwhgads703: I don't think it would
fhqwhgads703: Seeing as how it's a 1/16 shot
TasselFoot: 1/11
fhqwhgads703: Oh, true
TasselFoot: 14 players, 3 wolves.
TasselFoot: 1/11
TasselFoot: and it only gets higher and higher as the game goes on
fhqwhgads703: Oh, I didn't know this was a 14 player game rofl
TasselFoot: yes.
TasselFoot: it'll be 10 v 3 on day 1, 8 v 3 day 2, 6 v 3 day 3, 4 vs 3 day 4. which means 4 wrong picks = game over.
fhqwhgads703: But I still don't think it is a high enough chance to stop a wolf from killing whoever they want
TasselFoot: frankly, i disagree with kilga that the wolfsbane is worth 2 less players.
TasselFoot: ok... you may be right.
fhqwhgads703: Since it's based on random-ness, not on skill of player
TasselFoot: BUT... a save = an extra day.
fhqwhgads703: Yeah, but I am nowhere near valuable enough to be wolfed
TasselFoot: i may have an idea...
TasselFoot: do me a favor?
fhqwhgads703: What?
TasselFoot: don't come out early day 1.
TasselFoot: if you do come out day 1, do it late in the day. that would a) allow someone else to come out.
TasselFoot: and b) allow me to formulate an idea that is forming in my head.... but doesn't work if the wolfsbane is known.
fhqwhgads703: What are you thinking?
TasselFoot: i don't want to say, in case you're lying to me.
TasselFoot: if my plan has a shot, it shouldn't matter.
fhqwhgads703: Yeah, I'm totally that good. But ok, I'll wait
TasselFoot: thanks. i'll let you know whether it can work or not.
fhqwhgads703: Ok sure
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TasselFoot: you mind my asking how many other people you told that you're wolfsbane?
fhqwhgads703: Just you
TasselFoot: ok.
fhqwhgads703: You were the first one, and I wouldn't want to **** up whatever crazy plan you have
TasselFoot: yea. i don't think my plan will work. :-/
TasselFoot: i still don't think its a great idea to come out, but you do what you want.
fhqwhgads703: I figure coming out is the best solution, I won't ever get wolfed, and the benefit of staying hidden is nil
TasselFoot: it just will make myself, talisman.... easy targets.
fhqwhgads703: The wolves know that anyone they wolf has a chance of being wolfsbane
fhqwhgads703: It's random
fhqwhgads703: So why would they hold back?
TasselFoot: coming out decreases the odds from 10% or 15% to 0%.
fhqwhgads703: Yes, but since anyone at all could be the wolfsbane, it wouldn't affect the wolves pick for a kill
TasselFoot: *sigh* you're wrong... but you don't want to listen to me
TasselFoot: you want the attention.
fhqwhgads703: Yeah, that's a big factor too
TasselFoot: do me another favor...?
TasselFoot: at least hold off for a few hours.
TasselFoot: in case anyone else comes out before you.
fhqwhgads703: Why would that matter?
TasselFoot: um. get a wolf.
fhqwhgads703: It's in my best interests to come out as soon as possible
TasselFoot: why.
TasselFoot: it shouldn't matter to you.
fhqwhgads703: People are most likely to believe the first one to come out
TasselFoot: i know for a fact that is not true.
TasselFoot: because i came out as the seer once as a wolf, first, under that same assumption.... yet was lynched.
fhqwhgads703: Well, you and seer faking didn't work
fhqwhgads703: I remember that
TasselFoot: look... i have a damn good reason for all this.
TasselFoot: but i don't want to say what it is, because if you are lying, that ****s the good reason in half.
fhqwhgads703: But if you are a wolf, there could be any number of crazy reasons you would want me to hold off
TasselFoot: can you think of a single one?
fhqwhgads703: No, but you could
TasselFoot: the only reason i can think of is it prevents you and the seer from coming together.
fhqwhgads703: You tend to be the biggest source of original TWG ideas
TasselFoot: which i'm not saying... don't ever come out. i'm saying... please humor me and wait for a few hours or 1 real day before coming out
fhqwhgads703: Ok, fine
fhqwhgads703: I'll wait for one real day
TasselFoot: thank you.
TasselFoot: also humor my first post... which will ask for the wolfsbane to come out, and list your general reasoning for doing so
fhqwhgads703: Ok
fhqwhgads703: Who the **** is Wilkin?
TasselFoot: read my post
TasselFoot: in signups
fhqwhgads703: I just did
TasselFoot: he's a friend of hans'
fhqwhgads703: Yeah
fhqwhgads703: I see
TasselFoot: i gotta go
TasselFoot: i'll post in an hour or so
fhqwhgads703: Crazy ass new people
fhqwhgads703: Ok
TasselFoot: how is he crazy?
fhqwhgads703: New people in general are crazy
TasselFoot: aight. i'll post once the thread is up.... but, Nova at 2pm takes over until 4.
TasselFoot: peace.
fhqwhgads703: Heh
fhqwhgads703: Later
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TasselFoot: ok. i've contacted everyone but tps and vash to post.... although most are not around.
TasselFoot: once everyone (most everyone) posts... i'll fill you in on my most inner thinkings.
fhqwhgads703: Anyone come out as wolfsbane?
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TasselFoot: only talisman, myself, and hans have posted.
TasselFoot: although i've contacted about 8 others to post
TasselFoot: what do you make of the iggy kill?
fhqwhgads703: Well, I really don't know what to think
fhqwhgads703: I'm playing SMO, can we postpone the TWG talk for a bit?
TasselFoot: kk
fhqwhgads703: Thanks
fhqwhgads703: Ok back
fhqwhgads703: I'm going to read the thread
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TasselFoot: btw... your post was awful.
fhqwhgads703: Really?
TasselFoot: assuming that you are either the wolfsbane or a wolf... your post was awful and reeked of non-humanness.
fhqwhgads703: Sorry, I guess...
TasselFoot: you gonna be around for a little bit longer?
fhqwhgads703: Yeah
TasselFoot: only people i haven't talked to either via them posting or AIM are vash and guido.
fhqwhgads703: Vash is online
fhqwhgads703: I'm loving the activity
TasselFoot: so only vash hasn't posted.
fhqwhgads703: No he did
TasselFoot: mini didn't post...
TasselFoot: but i talked to him on AIM
TasselFoot: ok. i gotta go... heading back to NYC from Philly...
TasselFoot: but, as everyone has posted...
TasselFoot: i'm willing to take the risk in saying that I'm the seer. and the wolfsbane NOT coming out is a HUGE edge for me doing my job.
TasselFoot: which is why i wanted you to delay.
fhqwhgads703: So you are the seer?
TasselFoot: yes.
fhqwhgads703: But how do I know I can believe you?
TasselFoot: and that should make sense, based on all the things i said to you before.
fhqwhgads703: Well, if you are the seer, who was it you seered last night?
TasselFoot: this was earlier today:
TasselFoot: TasselFoot: yo
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Min1ne0: =o
Min1ne0: HOLY **** TASS TALKED TO ME
Min1ne0: okay what
TasselFoot: you're human. i'm, the seer.
Min1ne0: you serious
Min1ne0: who the hell sees me on first night
TasselFoot: 100%.
TasselFoot: me.
Min1ne0: gg
Min1ne0: XD
TasselFoot: because you won't be wolfed.
TasselFoot: at least, not any time soon.
Min1ne0: really?
Min1ne0: oh right
Min1ne0: actually
Min1ne0: I think
Min1ne0: just thinking
TasselFoot: and to me, that is the ONLY reason to seer someone.
Min1ne0: that
Min1ne0: tps jokingly mentioned he will wolf me if hes a wolf
TasselFoot: please type in 1 sentence... and not 2 words over like 10 lines.
Min1ne0: but that is just a joke so i threw it away
Min1ne0: Oh, that is just how I chat over aim >__> sorry
Min1ne0: So, I guess you want me to say that seer contacted me and stuff to get every blues out?
TasselFoot: especially on night 1... the only thing to decide is... will they die? you won't.
TasselFoot: no.
TasselFoot: i don't.
Min1ne0: Oh okay.
TasselFoot: i don't want you to say a thing.
TasselFoot: the goal is to NOT get yourself wolfed.
Min1ne0: Just plaaaaay like normal
TasselFoot: saying you're a confirmed human == you getting wolfed.
TasselFoot: which does not help the alliance.
Min1ne0: Oh right, since there is no guardian
TasselFoot: and its the alliance that wins games.
TasselFoot: correct.
TasselFoot: ALSO... mead contacted me, and said he's the wolfsbane.
TasselFoot: i told him not to go public with it... because i want to confirm he's telling the truth.
Min1ne0: Yeah, but how do you trust him with it
TasselFoot: at which point i'll bring him into the circle.
TasselFoot: i'll ask publically for the wolfsbane to come public.
Min1ne0: Wolf can easily fake wolfsbane
TasselFoot: when nobody does.....
Min1ne0: oh.
TasselFoot: then we trust mead.
Min1ne0: thats a good one
TasselFoot: AND the wolfsbane not coming out publically is good, because it hopefully will help keep me alive.
TasselFoot: it will also come into handy should i seer a wolf.
TasselFoot: i'll get mead to come public as the seer.
Min1ne0: everyone keeps you alive as wolf
Min1ne0: another good target to frame
TasselFoot: "sacrifice" himself as the seer for 1 wolf
Min1ne0: I see.
TasselFoot: the wolves go to wolf him... UT OH! he's the wolfsbane.
Min1ne0: haahhahahha nice plan
TasselFoot: thank you
Min1ne0: <3
TasselFoot: but it only works with him not coming out publically
Min1ne0: / him telling the truth
TasselFoot: i gotta go
Min1ne0: okay
Min1ne0: well have fun
TasselFoot: dont post until at least after i post.
TasselFoot: you'll probably understand once i post.
Min1ne0: Okay
TasselFoot: now... i have to go catch my train.
TasselFoot: i'll be back in NYC around... 10:30
TasselFoot: i hope you'll be around then so we can continue this discussion.
TasselFoot: i can timestamp that convo with mini also if you need them.
TasselFoot: anyway. gotta go.
fhqwhgads703: That's ok
fhqwhgads703: I believe you
fhqwhgads703: Later.
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fhqwhgads703: So why exactley do you need me to stay hidden?
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fhqwhgads703: I'm not really confident that you are the seer at this point
fhqwhgads703: Seering Mini makes very little sense, If you were a wolf, he would be an excellent choice to fake a seer with, because he's an inactive jTWGer
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fhqwhgads703: Did you get my earlier messages?
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fhqwhgads703: Ok
fhqwhgads703: I read the pms
fhqwhgads703: It is a good plan, and I pretty much understand what you are saying. I would feel better if you seered someone stronger night 2 though. You can fool me easy enough, and hell, I could fool Mini, so I would definately feel safer if a smarter player was pulled into this.
fhqwhgads703: But it is a brilliant plan
TasselFoot: thank you.
*** Auto-response from fhqwhgads703: lol wut
TasselFoot: and, i will discuss with you the night 2 seering.
TasselFoot: so, let me know when you're back.
fhqwhgads703: Back
TasselFoot: ok. excellent.
fhqwhgads703: But yeah, You can see my concern, because if you are a wolf, the seer comes to you, and the game falls into your hands
TasselFoot: yes. i completely understand your concern.
TasselFoot: would you feel better picking the night 2 seering?
fhqwhgads703: Yes
TasselFoot: ok. that is fine with me, so long as it is not someone completely retarded.
fhqwhgads703: You picked Neo, not too many retards left
TasselFoot: i have 2 or 3 people that i think would be good choices. i won't say who, so as not to influence your choice.
TasselFoot: so you don't agree with my logic on picking mini?
fhqwhgads703: Not really, I think there are many people on the list who would be better picks, and not likely to be wolfed
TasselFoot: i think he's just about last on the list... and also very low on the list to be lynched. evidenced by last game. he did a great job avoiding lynch consideration AND wolfing consideration.
fhqwhgads703: I would go for either Afro or TPS
TasselFoot: and IMO that is the #1 reason to seer someone night 1.
fhqwhgads703: Take your pick
TasselFoot: for night 2?
fhqwhgads703: Yeah
TasselFoot: good. they were 2 of my 3.
fhqwhgads703: Heh
TasselFoot: afro was my #1 choice.
TasselFoot: is.
fhqwhgads703: Who was the 3rd?
TasselFoot: eb.
fhqwhgads703: Yeah
fhqwhgads703: I figured it was him or Wilkin
TasselFoot: ok. so you are ok with me coming out publically as wolfsbane?
fhqwhgads703: Yes
fhqwhgads703: Go for it
TasselFoot: ok. also, i will tell you everything that goes on. mini.... i won't. in case he is MW. and, should I die tonight... he is MW.
fhqwhgads703: Ok
TasselFoot: done.
fhqwhgads703: Nice
TasselFoot: also informed Mini to keep it on the down-low.
TasselFoot: as he knows i'm not the wolfsbane.
TasselFoot: this was to Mini:
TasselFoot: TasselFoot: so you know... i'm coming out as wolfsbane. mead is wolfsbane. he has agreed to let me come out so that i don't get wolfed.
TasselFoot: PS - if you're the MW... you wolf me, you WILL be lynched day 2.
fhqwhgads703: Ok




Only mistakes of the game, really, were telling Mini the truth (lucky he wasn't MW), and freezing up when Blah acted like he always does to me. Gave away the fact that I was not the wolfsbane. Again, good thing he wasn't a wolf. Thanks for wolfing him to ensure it.

[Tasselfoot]

Guido... you gotta admit, TPS' post on you was pretty condemning. The two posts were so similar, and everyone knows you aren't that strong of a wolf.

[GuidoHunter]

I guess. I was mainly focusing on the ludicre of his comments on my activity. They were so wrong that I don't really remember the rest of his post.

I'm just kind of mad that nobody seems to notice how I play. It was quite obvious to me that I was doing nothing out of the ordinary. Hell, I even stated that fact. But, I guess coincidence was against me, as Tps found the one post where I acted like myself and happened to be a wolf. He even said that all the other posts supported my side.

I'm also kind of surprised that what I found on Hans wasn't good enough for people. It was damn convincing for me, as far as Day 1 evidence goes.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[iggymatrixcounter]

Just from reading the thread, I knew Tass wasn't WB but I thought afro was. I also guessed that talisman was a wolf because if he wasn't he probably would have been wolfed night 1, because of no guardian.

[talisman]

well tass I wouldn't say letting the game go to the last day is owning the **** out of it... you won, but it wasn't ownage.

me not dying became just a little too obvious down the stretch. next time I'm a wolf I demand a guardian.

[talisman]

one more thing: there was hard evidence tps and I were wolves. If you look at one of his posts day one he says "the only people I've talked to are x, y and talisman". Now at that point we hadn't faked any convos together... so I was like "****, tps we need to fake a convo now". So we did, and he ended up posting it, but he didn't modify the timestamps. So if you look closely it's pretty clear that the convo happened after the time of his post, even with ffr's weird time system. But no one noticed.

[JurseyRider734]

I think I mentioned in one of the wolf chats about someone telling Tass that they were the bane and he was faking it to make sure the wolves don't kill him.

Then I said something about wolfing Tass. Oh well. At least my first game in a long time proved to be interesting. gg

ps some people were questioning whether or not my dad did restrict my computer access, and, yes, he did.

[Wilkin]

When I found out who everyone was, along with Vash's lynching, I was like, "lolz humans need to be perfect now." They managed to pull through, though, so props.

It just seemed to lose any sort of suspense at the end, though. Like mead said, the jig was up. The climax hit when a wrong lynch would be the last one on day 4, and it just went smoothly from there. I wasn't sure if the humans would make it, but changed my mind with the lynching of Tps.

[Tasselfoot]

With the seering of TPS, everything fell into place.

It was practically impossible for the night 4 seering OR the day 4 lynching to not be a wolf, based on seering 3 humans nights 1/2/3. Getting the confirmation on TPS was huge though, because it allowed mead and I to go back and look JUST at TPS. And from that it became super obvious that Talisman had to be another wolf.

Then it was a matter of figuring out if we had 2 or 3 left. We figured it was probably 3. And I had been on Jurs all game... Mead thought Afro as MW, but I was never thinking that. Further investigation into it, and talking alot with Talisman and trying to talk with TPS and Jurs, made it pretty sure that we were correct on the wolves.

I told Kilga on Day 4 that Talisman and Jurs were the other 2 wolves.

And, yea... having the game go all the way to the end is not perfect. But, it is still a team game, and in the end, the team won. Took a long road to get the win, but we still got there. And I'm now... 8?-0 when leading a human alliance. Crazy that I've managed to lead the humans in 8 of the 16 games where I've been a human/blue. The humans are 2-6 in the other 8. (This is not including either of the 2 games that were ended early, both of which I orchestrated the win).

I was never worried of losing... as the lynches didn't really matter, starting day 3, whether they were human or wolves. As long as I stayed alive, the only matter was figuring out the MW, which wound up being simple. As on day 3, we had the majority, 5-4. That guarenteed that we'd be able to have everyone seered before the game ended, and as such, guarenteed that we'd be able to either seer or lynch the wolves before we lost.

My only regret is that the wolves didn't try and fake anything. I so wanted that to happen, because it would have been such suicide. It would have been... "Tass, I'm the seer." "No... you aren't. You're a wolf." Lynched. Although the certainty that I probably would have shown might have led to Talisman realizing that I couldn't be the bane and be that confident. So perhaps it was a good thing.