TWG 205 - Zero Active Player Dilemma GAME THREAD

[Hateandhatred]

Sorry for the fever posting. I'm doing a lot better now!

Originally Posted by star-crossed

I guess my main question would be, why do you like instaing? Why is that helpful?

Well, I do like it in general because it makes things happen. I don't like hanging forever on targets until the end of the day just to see if they will respond to pressure when they clearly have said their piece, and from there 2 things can happen. People either find another lynch target and put aside what was put in motion a moment before (while considering that it's not like it happened randomly, it had to be a consensus among players who usually don't trust each others, and that it's not like a better target is just gonna make itself more desireable in the middle of a wagon), or the target is killed at the end of the day anyway, if they don't insta. If I'm in position to say "fuck it, lets pull the trigger right now", I usually will. If we were right, fantastic, and if we weren't, well we at least won't stay in doubt forever. And it's not like we can not lynch at all "until we're really really sure". You know that classic scenario of 2 identical people trying to convince you that they are your friend and the other one is an impostor? Well, it's essentially like that, except the group's mind has already determined who should die. It's obviously a little different when the votes are split 50-50 and you're the one who decides because the tiny details become way more important and you want to scrutinize as much as you can with the time you have (especially true in F3 when you're the last blue lol, but even then, if I'm sure, I'm sure and that's it, I don't wanna let myself be talked out by one of them, there's a whole game of evidence anyway), but if I'm ok with a target, I just am and I'll do it and would rather get the cardflip if the game isn't moving anymore (like it was with T-Force yesterday).

I've even done it against myself (very specific situation though, and it won the game quicker), and I don't think it is super alignment indicative by itself in general. It's situational, but a lot of you guys play by your collectively agreed on meta and I tend to not agree with it a whole lot. I understand it can seem early to a lot of players and part of me wants to respect that, but when people refuse to wagon too hard on someone (like say they remain 2 votes away from insta but there's a clear wagon and otherwise spread vote), the state of the game very rarely just changes. I would appreciate if people tried to make it change course a little more, but that ends up being either alignment indicative for wolves or a terrible mistake that may mislead town into lynching another town (which happens regardless anyway), so it's not all that good every time in my eyes. It's very situational.

But, in the end, when an opportunity to insta someone comes up, I think my preferred card to play is to play it, depending on situation. Sorry if it's kind of a mess of a post, it's not something I've tried all that much to put into words before.

Originally Posted by bugkid666

also would it kill you to stop calling me "he" it's annoying when my pronouns are on literally every post i make

Not at all. I've recently been notified of the fact outside of this thread and I apologize, and I'll make sure to respect this from now on =)

Here's my response to the conversation when it happened:

11:15 PM]H&H: ok this is gonna sound weird but l don't really associate the preferred pronouns with what people actually want to be called
[11:15 PM]H&H: that's mainly because I'm not overly used to paying attention to pronouns, but also because of lol language
[11:17 PM]H&H: but it's not like, out of any wish to not be accomodating
[11:17 PM]H&H: its definitely something I wanna be respectful of
[11:18 PM]H&H: so if they weren't sure if I was blatantly ignoring or something like that, please tell them I didn't do this intentionally

I guess they forgot to forward this, but hopefully we are good =)

[storn42]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

I guess my main question would be, why do you like instaing? Why is that helpful?

my counter argument would be what did we lose by the phase ending early?

[storn42]

and sure lynch me, whatever. but you really need to be paying attention to who the actual wolf is because you'll only have 1 shot to hit them when you do.

[FreezinIce]

Storn, rather than moaning about how sorry everyone will be when they kill you, how about trying to help find the wplf yourself? I honestly have no idea who you are even suspicious of at this point.

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by storn42

my counter argument would be what did we lose by the phase ending early?

Pretty clearly shown when tforce tried to insta himself to end the phase early, instaing in general is anti town because it denies possible information. Sometimes is ok to insta but i wouldnt say yesterday was one of those times

[storn42]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Pretty clearly shown when tforce tried to insta himself to end the phase early, instaing in general is anti town because it denies possible information. Sometimes is ok to insta but i wouldnt say yesterday was one of those times

okay, but like, what information. nothing was happening.

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by storn42

okay, but like, what information. nothing was happening.

We'll never know now, since the day ended early. Thats kind of the point.

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

Not at all. I've recently been notified of the fact outside of this thread and I apologize, and I'll make sure to respect this from now on =)

Here's my response to the conversation when it happened:

11:15 PM]H&H: ok this is gonna sound weird but l don't really associate the preferred pronouns with what people actually want to be called
[11:15 PM]H&H: that's mainly because I'm not overly used to paying attention to pronouns, but also because of lol language
[11:17 PM]H&H: but it's not like, out of any wish to not be accomodating
[11:17 PM]H&H: its definitely something I wanna be respectful of
[11:18 PM]H&H: so if they weren't sure if I was blatantly ignoring or something like that, please tell them I didn't do this intentionally

I guess they forgot to forward this, but hopefully we are good =)

all is well, it's a learning process

[bugkid666]

i think i tend to agree with the conceit that instaing in almost every circumstance is unhelpful. it makes the game go potentially slower, sure, but that's not inherently a bad thing. even if 9 times out of 10 we get no new info, the possibility of that 1 time is worth it to me.

i can see hatred's argument a lot better than i can see storn's... storn if you are town i wish you would try and help solve instead of vaguely saying "you'll regret not killing the actual wolf." okay, who is the actual wolf? explain and try and convince me. you might think we're dead set on killing you but any/all info is still immensely helpful. the game's not over

[FreezinIce]

Bug said what i said but made it sound cooler

[star-crossed]

Originally Posted by storn42

my counter argument would be what did we lose by the phase ending early?

One wolf initially tried to insta to deny the town more useful information in the day. When insta really happened, it did not speed up the game. It mostly had the effect of making the night time take longer. The only thing it confirmed sooner was that T-Force was the permanent role as opposed to the 1-shot. However, given the two people I was most interested in info regarding and wanted to give the chance to participate more both tried or succeeded in instaing, how it played out does not overly bother me personally.

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Bug said what i said but made it sound cooler

freezin called me cool

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

freezin called me cool

[star-crossed]

In lieu of second-guessing myself in this game I am on the long road to level 6 in FFR

[storn42]

I dont think i actually have the energy to even try and pull off this comeback. gg

storn

[FreezinIce]

storn

Gg storn and tforce

[bugkid666]

storn

sorry pal

[roundbox]

game's over
will post a more formal ending within the hour

[roundbox]

Insta has been reached.

Please don't post, I'm finishing the game.

[roundbox]

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storn42 (3) - star_crossed, storn42, FreezinIce