08-19-2020, 04:52 PM | #1 |
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Private Queue?
The other day I noticed on the queue page at the bottom there was text that said something along the lines of, "+21 private submissions" but the text is no longer there.
I'm not sure why that text was removed but can someone confirm if a private queue of sorts exists? I was looking at the queue to make sure a file I wanted to step hasn't been accepted already but it's hard to confirm if some of the queue is private. |
08-19-2020, 05:06 PM | #2 |
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Re: Private Queue?
Some batches were private because they pertained to tournament stuff and presumably they wanted to keep some mystery surrounding what could actually be used, but it looks like no batches are currently private, so there shouldn't be anything in the private queue.
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08-19-2020, 05:21 PM | #3 | |
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Re: Private Queue?
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I don't exactly follow why they'd be initially hidden from the main queue when that information is visible here to begin with, but at least the information on accepted files is never truly hidden if that's the case. Thanks for the info! |
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08-19-2020, 05:23 PM | #4 | |
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Re: Private Queue?
That was from before the Private batch system was introduced. Simply didn't exist back then. Now chart notes will go directly in the batch, so only public notes will be visible.
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08-19-2020, 06:21 PM | #5 |
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Re: Private Queue?
He's not asking about where batch notes are posted or what specific aspects of the batch are revealed. He's wondering why some batches are privatized in the first place (where you cannot view any of the submitted songs whatsoever). This seems to be a new thing that was recently introduced and I honestly cannot recall much conversation around this.
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08-19-2020, 06:34 PM | #6 | |
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With the introduction of all of these fantastic innovations in the batch submission system, there will no longer be a necessity to have all information contained within threads. To my knowledge, the system allows game management to see the contents of all submissions at any given point. However, the privatization of batches allows for users to see the status of only their files and nothing else. Additionally, I do believe judges are also able to have sets assigned to them within the system too, meaning they only can see what's assigned to them, and nothing beyond that (unless it's relegated to them for some reason). It's essentially an effective implementation of the least responsibility principle. A likely situation: when the next Official Tournament batch opens, users will not be able to simply glean over the entirety of the submission list either in the batch submission area or (likely nonexistent at this point public threads) to predict where songs are, as ratings are compartmentalized within the batch tool. It's no longer a batch submission tool at this point, it's an entire suite that is almost entirely self-sustaining, without the utilization of e-mails or the existing system of threads. Last edited by TC_Halogen; 08-19-2020 at 06:49 PM.. |
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08-19-2020, 08:19 PM | #8 | |
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A) The public won't know when a specific file is being released (such as the round/division number), but they will know the file has been accepted as a potential tournament file. or B) The public won't know when a specific file is being released and if it's even been submitted/accepted at all for the tournament. If the situation is B, how would someone make sure a file they are stepping for a future batch hasn't been accepted already if it's hidden in a tournament batch? Would we just message a judge and simply ask? |
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08-19-2020, 08:47 PM | #9 | |
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edit: I guess this ultimately won't change much of anything on the user's end. I just liked seeing what was submitted and privatizing the list feels a bit uptight. Last edited by bmah; 08-19-2020 at 08:53 PM.. |
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08-20-2020, 09:37 AM | #10 |
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Re: Private Queue?
Okay so just going to note a few things here:
1. Yes, there's now a way to make batches private so we can have some element of surprise for certain events. 2. I honestly don't understand why this is being brought as an issue considering NO ONE knew what was being submitted to the emails until a list came out in a thread. So it's really no different. 3. We accept multiple files of the same song, so again really a non issue if you submit something that's already been submitted or accepted. 4. There wasn't even a queue list for anyone to see until I recently asked Velocity to add it, so I'm really not sure you point with "To not be privy to see simply a list of an entire batch is just a big system shock to me" bmah, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. These changes are extremely exciting and will help us streamline things so much more than they ever have been. Calling it "uptight" is a bit unfair as we used to just privatize submissions all together surrounding the tournament and had internal batches so I mean, there's really no change in terms of that. You guys actually have WAY more info now than ever. |
08-20-2020, 11:04 AM | #11 |
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Well you did verify one thing and that is answering the question of to what extent batches are privatized (certain events, mainly OTs). I was more concerned that the scope of having batches privatized could be broader, but if this isn’t the case then it’s all good.
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08-20-2020, 07:14 PM | #12 | ||
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At the time of the creation of this thread, there was no official explanation of this new batch system so I grasped what I could from stickies and the layout of the system itself. I approached this purely for the sake of making sense of it all and the steps I would have to take for information pertaining to my files and any potential overlap with a private queue. With that said, it seemed like submitted files ultimately were present in one public location but that wasn't always the case, so I wanted to make sure I was on the same page. Quote:
The system looks great! When I saw text about private files vanish suddenly without explanation, I simply had to ask about it because I honestly didn't know what was going on. Thank you for the response. Last edited by HammyMcSquirrel; 08-20-2020 at 07:15 PM.. |
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08-20-2020, 07:47 PM | #13 | |
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We've talked about it before, but I personally absolutely loathe this way of doing things. And it is uptight, it's a fair critique. Also us having more info than ever isn't "exciting" it's "how it should be." |
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08-21-2020, 01:24 AM | #14 | |
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No it's not a fair critique, how are we supposed to have anon stepcons if I can't anonymize the submissions? What's the point in having a new file OT if everyone just knows what's going to be in it? I honestly can't believe this is even an argument, I was so excited for all of these and it's effectively been killed by one thread. I didn't say having more info is exciting, I said the changes were because it's a massive help. I said it before though and I'll say it again, if you can do such a better job at everything than do it, you rejected being on judgement staff after I offered the position to you, so as far as I'm concerned you really have no room to be this negative when you don't even want to be part of aiding things on FFR.
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08-21-2020, 01:28 AM | #15 | |
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08-22-2020, 10:14 PM | #16 | |||
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As for why I'm still here? I dunno. I play the game sometimes, TWG is great. I met a lot of the best people I know on here. I owe FFR a lot. Not that it matters. 2A. For the stepcon - fair point. But as for the official, just because we can see what songs they are doesn't equate to knowing the content. 2B. As for the OT, you know how against the private batch nature of the official I am. The files should be set in stone through strictly public batches. I know files have passed and been placed into the game without a proper batch - that's what I was getting at. Something that is consistent with the past. Which is why I said in my post that it could look shady to some people - which is at the very least - me. 2C. You're making an argument that I don't think works. You can see a file and still be excited to see where it's placed, what changes got made, ect. You're trying to fix an issue that isn't likely a problem. (I do not wanna speak for the public on this, so I'm leaving room for this point to be a bit moot.) Quote:
1. I was never officially offered a spot, I was on the second part of the test - which frankly, I'd bombed because I'd have outright 0 / 10'd the files for having wrong meta data, which completely negates the point of the test, and gives you zero information about my abilities. It would have been a completely moot test. I literally would have failed them and moved on. 2. I can be as harsh a critic as I want? My own ability to do it better be damned. The weight of my critique is tied to my own abilities, if you as the person it's targeted to think it has no value, just move on, or explain to me why you think I'm wrong. But it's not like I have broken any rules regardless. 3. I do try to aid by being critical. I want things changed. I try to find the time to submit content to the game, I've in the past offered my time to place for the official, I have literally made threads suggesting changes I wanted most. Let's go over my post though, because I think you interpreted it wrong. Quote:
The second part addresses this "we used to just privatize submissions all together surrounding the tournament and had internal batches" Not new knowledge, and is a bit more moot. I hate the internal batches. I think they're arguably unfair to the public, your desire for fresh files for the OT or not. Third part addresses your response to this "I guess this ultimately won't change much of anything on the user's end. I just liked seeing what was submitted and privatizing the list feels a bit uptight." I disagree with you, and agree with Bmah here. The last part is to this "You guys actually have WAY more info now than ever." Which you make sound like a good thing, which it's not. The game is entirely formulated on public time, submissions and commitments. The knowledge of behind the scenes should be public. None of my post is rude, or harsh. None of it is negative (this time) but is personal opinion. Which is part of the discussion. That's just how it works in this forum setting. At the end of the day, ignore me if you want. You seem to think my comments have little / no value, which isn't unreasonable. |
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08-23-2020, 05:08 PM | #17 |
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Re: Private Queue?
My desire for fresh files? Lol I only do it because that's what the community wanted. It would be a hell of a lot easier and way less work for me to go back to good ol selecting what's in game.
I have done as much as I've been capable of for this community, many times going against what I feel is correct because it's what the majority wanted. This is a case though where as I mentioned in the other thread I'm standing by it. I got support from others about it and one batch being private for a special event isn't hurting anyone. I'm not writing out paragraph by paragraph, I'm too tired for it. But the internals were still judged, just not out in the forums. |
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