TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I'm about to go sleep so, if you want to stab me while I'm looking, you still have time.

Nah, I'm crashing here too, and it looks like XelNya's already beat us to it. G'night Haku, sleep well and sweet dreams (:

Later, y'all.

[juckter1]

Ugh why do you guys have to make like 7 pages when I'm asleep

I'll catchup later when I'm more awake

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by Gradiant

Not liking this actually. It's widely known by lots of people here that he is an idiot as both town and scum. I can easily see this as faking an obviously stupid question that could be passed off as a dumbtell. Then 10 minute wait until 2nd post with shitposting about 1st quote, then another 15 minutes until another shitpost about the same question.

same, i think i know where haku wanted to go with that, but this is the wrong way to go about it and it's definitely not a dumbtell (also bold is hilarious)

[inDheart]

so the biggest impression i got of those events last night (which i missed because lame east coaster :<) was toward the end

Originally Posted by Gradiant

It's gonna be super hard for me to not see this as coaching potential scum teammate outside nightchat with how you're acting right now

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

please dont, just look at it as me giving friendly advice to someone who doesnt seem to know what theyre doing. someone you called an IDIOT in a previous post.

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

haku stop making me look bad

so pretty sure freez said they've read the past couple games (i remember that post in one of the game threads lol). that ought to familiarize them a bit with haku's play, i would think. even if the last post here is meant to be jokey, i just see freez falling all over themselves trying to contend with haku when haku's started out largely being goofy as usual, and that's not great to me

[inDheart]

no matter however much we give haku advice, little seems to change, and this first day will be incredibly candid if he is a wolf

i'm noting his style today just in case something feels different later

[danceflashrevo]

hey guys i haven't posted that much grill me grill me

btw that was a lot of actual content. shadow jumped off of freezinice and then brushed it off as not important, when any interaction could be important. haku's being haku. i don't have to read charu this game or something. and yeah i think that's what i got so far.

[roundbox]

Gradiant is town
Calm down with all the posting holy shit

[mellonxcollie]

Catching up on the thread now ~ wow guys

[Charu]

Originally Posted by roundbox

Calm down with all the posting holy shit

Never

[danceflashrevo]

starts posting agony in pink sentence by sentence

[Precarious]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

is it likely that hes town though? definitely. Confirmed? No. So if hes still hanging around and we havnt found the sk come day 3/4, i hope you dont pass him off as "confirmed" and not revisit him for lynching

I'm going to state that, for the purposes of how I proceed, I'm considering Charu confirmed. Here's why.

If he is anything, anything, other than what he says he is, it will negatively impact him and/or his team. There is no way around this, barring sheer apathy by his actual counterpart.

Without bothering to separate the scenarios by other town/wolf/serial killer, let's examine what would happen if Charu is lying.

If Charu is lyhing, then there is an actual bodyguard or asceticizer out there. They have two options, to claim or not to claim.

If they claim, then Charu and the counterclaimant are caught in a binary. We know that at least one them is lying, so we'll no doubt immediately lynch one of them. If Charu is actually VT, we at best lose Charu (if he's lynched first), and at worst lose both the B/A and VT Charu. If Charu is actually a wolf, the wolves at best trade one-for-one (which doesn't make sense considering our advantages in numbers; killing a wolf is more valuable than losing a townie, particularly when the townie is non-investigatory) and at worst lose a wolf with literally no gain. If Charu is actually the serial killer, this gambit will lose him the game. According to the link, the SK needs to kill four people to win. At one kill per night, that means the SK needs to survive into night 4. While this claim might protect from chance wolf attacks, if counterclaimed on D3 or earlier, the binary will resolve itself by D4 at the latest, preventing Charu from possibly achieving his win condition.

Now, what if the actual B/A is reluctant to show himself yet, unwilling to risk the ~50% chance of lynch? Well, it's unlikely that they'd be dumb enough not to claim by D3, and really it would be a pro-town move to do so even now, since again a one-for-one tradeoff (and that's the worst case scenario) favors town. But even if they die by mischance (unrelated lynch or night death--how the night death happens would obviously differ depending on B or A), we have full role flips at death. We would be notified that so and so is a B/A, at which point Charu would be fully caught in his lie, and lynched asap.

There are scenarios where it makes sense for an antitown player to fake claim, but doing so where there's an explicit binary situation immediately available is usually not one of them. I'm counting Charu as confirmed town because it would be idiotic for him to do this if he's not actually a bodyguard. After all, if he's not, the real B/A will call him out, either now, or in a day or two.

[Precarious]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

im trying to crystallize

5/5 pun

[Gradiant]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

If I had wolf buddies, they wouldn't help me. They would throw me under the bus as soon as possible and pray that I never roll wolf again.

jsayin'

Except you're leaving out the fact that he's never played with you and wouldn't know that your playstyle actually isn't going to change. If anything, it'll get worse.

[Gradiant]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

yeah they did contain unvoting and i was sure it was allowed because nobody raged about it.

I just like posting that afro quote for any conceivable reason

?????????

Originally Posted by roundbox

Calm down with all the posting holy shit

If you'd actually post more, it wouldn't look like we are posting so much

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Precarious

words.

Thank you for believing me then! However, I will point out that there is one scenario in which lying about said role is actually helpful (but could backfire if called in the bluff).

And that's only if I'm still the BP/A role by the way, hee hee hee.

Am I actually the other role instead wolves? Oooo... but you don't wanna waste your nightkill, do you now?

[inDheart]

Originally Posted by Precarious

5/5 pun

i give it a perfect 5/7

[DaBackpack]

catchin up

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by danceflashrevo

hey guys i haven't posted that much grill me grill me

btw that was a lot of actual content. shadow jumped off of freezinice and then brushed it off as not important, when any interaction could be important. haku's being haku. i don't have to read charu this game or something. and yeah i think that's what i got so far.

... What? You're fucking amazing, you know that? Your ability to see pears as pineapples is astounding. Go back and read that section again, but this time try reading it with your glasses on, or maybe even just with your eyes open. -sigh]-

In other news, why didn't you mention Gradiant in that great summary of the "a lot of actual content" that happened?

[FreezinIce]

Not to discount your points percarious (because they make sense) but you have a bit of misinformation I want to correct. Per the topic post, sk has to be the last alI've to win, not kill 4 people. Just correcting that on the off chance it's relevant later

[FreezinIce]

Alive*

Silly phone autocorrect