13th Official Tournament

**psychoangel691** · 08-25-2020, 06:06 PM

I was actually really hype for most of the charts this tournament. It's really a shame to see that being said but, I've said it before and I'll say it again if you guys can do a better job please by all means run tournaments. Would be nice for there to be more going on.

**Bach96** · 08-25-2020, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by psychoangel691

I was actually really hype for most of the charts this tournament. It's really a shame to see that being said but, I've said it before and I'll say it again if you guys can do a better job please by all means run tournaments. Would be nice for there to be more going on.

I understand why he is a little bothered simply because it's the OT. We could all run tourney's until we're collapsing from exhaustion, but the one everyone cares about at the end of the day... is the OT.

It's hard to please everyone and there will unfortunately never be a way to. However, as I'm sure you know having been doing this so long, criticism can often lead to huge improvements. Maybe there could be a discord discussion done after each OT moving forward. Things like file choice and difficulty could be openly debated on and could result in improvements that nobody would have thought of in the past.

Maybe a more open discussion could also lead to ideas that would improve retention rates from tourney to tourney (maybe even getting more people involved). I'd be very interested in seeing what a large group of people from this awesome community would be able to come up with instead of forcing all the workload onto a small group of dedicated admin.

That being said, I personally really enjoyed this tournament. I went from 49 to almost 56. Like half my top 15 are now 13th OT files lol. Most of the songs chosen for D2 were goddamn bops and I am so appreciative of that. I only really didn't like CHERRY DOLL and Oedo Pop (simply the songs themselves not the files). Hopefully next year I can be in D4!

**psychoangel691** · 08-25-2020, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bach96

I understand why he is a little bothered simply because it's the OT. We could all run tourney's until we're collapsing from exhaustion, but the one everyone cares about at the end of the day... is the OT.

It's hard to please everyone and there will unfortunately never be a way to. However, as I'm sure you know having been doing this so long, criticism can often lead to huge improvements. Maybe there could be a discord discussion done after each OT moving forward. Things like file choice and difficulty could be openly debated on and could result in improvements that nobody would have thought of in the past.

Maybe a more open discussion could also lead to ideas that would improve retention rates from tourney to tourney (maybe even getting more people involved). I'd be very interested in seeing what a large group of people from this awesome community would be able to come up with instead of forcing all the workload onto a small group of dedicated admin.

That being said, I personally really enjoyed this tournament. I went from 49 to almost 56. Like half my top 15 are now 13th OT files lol. Most of the songs chosen for D2 were goddamn bops and I am so appreciative of that. I only really didn't like CHERRY DOLL and Oedo Pop (simply the songs themselves not the files). Hopefully next year I can be in D4!

Literally has nothing to do with workload, these are the files submitted to us. don't like em? sub files then to help (I'm saying this as an in general because people always want to complain but then don't actually bother to submit or the like)

(also playing fall guys so haven't had a chance for a full reply)

**DarknessXoXLight** · 08-25-2020, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by psychoangel691

I'll say it again if you guys can do a better job please by all means run tournaments. Would be nice for there to be more going on.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who used to love what this site once was who want to see activity and well run tournaments. I would love to be in a position to run a tournament with all new content for the community, but you built up such a wall around this glorious title of "Tournament Organizer" locking yourself into running it alone and then when people complain about very evident problems, you just say we should be appreciative? Valid criticism should be taken as a sign that people still care about a properly run tournament being fun and fair. I know many people have offered to help with official tournaments, but since you tie so much of your own personal and emotional worth staked on how much power you hold over this dumb website, nobody is willing to go through the shit they have to to contribute anything. You've made it abundantly clear numerous times that you hold 100% of the power and decision making over this tournament but when a file like Circle Pit is very poorly slotted it's suddenly AJ's fault for giving you the rating so you say go talk to AJ? You absolve yourself of blame on a very regular basis. Mistakes happen, nobody is perfect, own up to it for once or admit that you don't do as much as you claim to do. If you were willing to address the areas that you aren't completely comfortable with doing, which is fine, people would be able to step in and make the tournament as a whole a lot funner and cleaner.

This site is never going to be what it once was because of how poorly run it currently is and your refusal to accept help from anybody competent.

**danredge** · 08-25-2020, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DarknessXoXLight

I'm sure there are plenty of people who used to love what this site once was who want to see activity and well run tournaments. I would love to be in a position to run a tournament with all new content for the community, but you built up such a wall around this glorious title of "Tournament Organizer" locking yourself into running it alone and then when people complain about very evident problems, you just say we should be appreciative? Valid criticism should be taken as a sign that people still care about a properly run tournament being fun and fair. I know many people have offered to help with official tournaments, but since you tie so much of your own personal and emotional worth staked on how much power you hold over this dumb website, nobody is willing to go through the shit they have to to contribute anything. You've made it abundantly clear numerous times that you hold 100% of the power and decision making over this tournament but when a file like Circle Pit is very poorly slotted it's suddenly AJ's fault for giving you the rating so you say go talk to AJ? You absolve yourself of blame on a very regular basis. Mistakes happen, nobody is perfect, own up to it for once or admit that you don't do as much as you claim to do. If you were willing to address the areas that you aren't completely comfortable with doing, which is fine, people would be able to step in and make the tournament as a whole a lot funner and cleaner.

This site is never going to be what it once was because of how poorly run it currently is and your refusal to accept help from anybody competent.

I think you should keed that kind of comment to yourself or private message the aporopriate person, because this was just harsh.I think Kayla and AJ are the heart of FFR and deserve respect. If you really want to help FFR join the staff.

**DarknessXoXLight** · 08-25-2020, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by danredge

Yeah, i think you should keed that kind of comment to yourself, because this was just harsh.I think Kayla and AJ are the heart of FFR and deserve respect. If you really want to help FFR join the staff.

Yikes. My intention wasn't to be harsh, it was to get a point across that has been building over this community for many years now. It's clear nothing changes every single year because somehow the same problems keep coming up. I'm not trying to shit all over Kayla, I'm truly not. It's just evident that staff roles are being gate kept and only people they like are allowed to help. I'm definitely not alone in thinking this as I've been DM'd by MULTIPLE people thanking me for posting what I did. It's been like 20 minutes or something.. The community is clearly frustrated and every single attempt at criticism is met with "you're just ungrateful" or "I guess I can stop doing tournaments" but nobody is asking for this, they're asking for problem areas to be addressed.

In regards to the second statement of yours, Kayla has made it very clear how she feels about me over the years. I would love nothing more than to help. I know with certainty she would never "allow" me to be on staff.

**psychoangel691** · 08-25-2020, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DarknessXoXLight

Yikes. My intention wasn't to be harsh, it was to get a point across that has been building over this community for many years now. It's clear nothing changes every single year because somehow the same problems keep coming up. I'm not trying to shit all over Kayla, I'm truly not. It's just evident that staff roles are being gate kept and only people they like are allowed to help. I'm definitely not alone in thinking this as I've been DM'd by MULTIPLE people thanking me for posting what I did. It's been like 20 minutes or something.. The community is clearly frustrated and every single attempt at criticism is met with "you're just ungrateful" or "I guess I can stop doing tournaments" but nobody is asking for this, they're asking for problem areas to be addressed.

In regards to the second statement of yours, Kayla has made it very clear how she feels about me over the years. I would love nothing more than to help. I know with certainty she would never "allow" me to be on staff.

Okay lol hold up here, I've made it clear how I feel about you? no no no, I'm not standing for this one this time. You're the one who came after me because someone got banned over something, you harassed me on my social medias and even went out of your way to say I should kill myself in the C6 chat.
I'm not about to sit here for this, no way. You've been nothing but negative towards me all the time.

**Bach96** · 08-25-2020, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by psychoangel691

you harassed me on my social medias and even went out of your way to say I should kill myself in the C6 chat.

MAYBE we should stop calling out personal stuff? This is getting a little out of hand...

**kurisushadow** · 08-25-2020, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DarknessXoXLight

I'm sure there are plenty of people who used to love what this site once was who want to see activity and well run tournaments. I would love to be in a position to run a tournament with all new content for the community, but you built up such a wall around this glorious title of "Tournament Organizer" locking yourself into running it alone and then when people complain about very evident problems, you just say we should be appreciative? Valid criticism should be taken as a sign that people still care about a properly run tournament being fun and fair. I know many people have offered to help with official tournaments, but since you tie so much of your own personal and emotional worth staked on how much power you hold over this dumb website, nobody is willing to go through the shit they have to to contribute anything. You've made it abundantly clear numerous times that you hold 100% of the power and decision making over this tournament but when a file like Circle Pit is very poorly slotted it's suddenly AJ's fault for giving you the rating so you say go talk to AJ? You absolve yourself of blame on a very regular basis. Mistakes happen, nobody is perfect, own up to it for once or admit that you don't do as much as you claim to do. If you were willing to address the areas that you aren't completely comfortable with doing, which is fine, people would be able to step in and make the tournament as a whole a lot funner and cleaner.

This site is never going to be what it once was because of how poorly run it currently is and your refusal to accept help from anybody competent.

lol TFW a post you make earlier gets justified later :v I swear. When you should just keep something to yourself

**psychoangel691** · 08-25-2020, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DarknessXoXLight

I'm sure there are plenty of people who used to love what this site once was who want to see activity and well run tournaments. I would love to be in a position to run a tournament with all new content for the community, but you built up such a wall around this glorious title of "Tournament Organizer" locking yourself into running it alone and then when people complain about very evident problems, you just say we should be appreciative? Valid criticism should be taken as a sign that people still care about a properly run tournament being fun and fair. I know many people have offered to help with official tournaments, but since you tie so much of your own personal and emotional worth staked on how much power you hold over this dumb website, nobody is willing to go through the shit they have to to contribute anything. You've made it abundantly clear numerous times that you hold 100% of the power and decision making over this tournament but when a file like Circle Pit is very poorly slott[/php]ed it's suddenly AJ's fault for giving you the rating so you say go talk to AJ? You absolve yourself of blame on a very regular basis. Mistakes happen, nobody is perfect, own up to it for once or admit that you don't do as much as you claim to do. If you were willing to address the areas that you aren't completely comfortable with doing, which is fine, people would be able to step in and make the tournament as a whole a lot funner and cleaner.

This site is never going to be what it once was because of how poorly run it currently is and your refusal to accept help from anybody competent.

This post is hilarious and I love how you only ever come out of the woodwork to talk nasty about me.

1. Yep, we'd all love to see it at it's former glory, me running tournaments is hardly the reason for any decline in the site. Blame the almost year long downtime then lack of progression that followed for quite some time because a lot of things COULDN'T happen.

2. Really? You'd love to be in my position? Go ahead then and do it lmao. I don't have a "tournament organizer" title. Please name all these people who have offered to help, I'll wait. And then tell me how many actually have when I'm like okay come help.

3. Complain about very evident problems, well lets see half of them were "I'm mad cause I'm bad at the file" complaints. Some are just beating a dead horse of a mistake we realized we made. Guess what, at the end of the day we're all still human. There's no way to 100% perfect this, especially with how much players are changing. We're adapting as fast as we can.

4. Yeah, I do think people should be more appreciative of all the time and effort people put in to keeping FFR alive. We could have all easily walked away when synth was gone for a decade, instead we did our best to try to keep it going and the community engaged. It becomes less and less worth it the more people sit here and badger us over simple things.

5. Aj rated circle pit a 72 initially, so yeah he took the blame on it himself. I didn't shove it off on him. I love how you took me taking the blame for some of the early stuff as me making it clear I had 100% of power. So you're mad at me for not taking blame when I was taking blame, lol. I mean just admit what this really is, you've never liked me and you're going to always twist anything I do into a negative.

6. Admit I don't do as much as I claim to do? What?

7. Refusal to accept help from anybody competent? Hmm so you mean because we didn't put Rob back on difficulties right? Cause that wasn't just my decision. I tried getting more judges, people fell off quickly that did apply (not that there were many to begin with). You talk so much crap but literally have no idea how many times I've tried to get help, only for the people to get their title then do absolutely nothing, or be here for a short while then poof away.

What's even funnier is I left for like a year? Year and a half? I can't remember. And nobody stepped up, nothing was getting done. Someone could've run an OT, nobody did. You also seem to forget I haven't run all of them and the complaints have still flown when others ran them. Do you even remember all the super old tournaments and how those used to go? Lol, there's been HUGE improvements but everyone wants to harp on the negative rather than try to make a positive experience, and THAT is what's going to kill things. Stop trying to push off all the blame on me as if I'm the downfall of the site when I've put in countless hours at this point just trying to scrape by and keep it as active as I could with what I'm capable of.

**DarknessXoXLight** · 08-25-2020, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by psychoangel691

This post is hilarious and I love how you only ever come out of the woodwork to talk nasty about me.

1. Yep, we'd all love to see it at it's former glory, me running tournaments is hardly the reason for any decline in the site. Blame the almost year long downtime then lack of progression that followed for quite some time because a lot of things COULDN'T happen.

2. Really? You'd love to be in my position? Go ahead then and do it lmao. I don't have a "tournament organizer" title. Please name all these people who have offered to help, I'll wait. And then tell me how many actually have when I'm like okay come help.

3. Complain about very evident problems, well lets see half of them were "I'm mad cause I'm bad at the file" complaints. Some are just beating a dead horse of a mistake we realized we made. Guess what, at the end of the day we're all still human. There's no way to 100% perfect this, especially with how much players are changing. We're adapting as fast as we can.

4. Yeah, I do think people should be more appreciative of all the time and effort people put in to keeping FFR alive. We could have all easily walked away when synth was gone for a decade, instead we did our best to try to keep it going and the community engaged. It becomes less and less worth it the more people sit here and badger us over simple things.

5. Aj rated circle pit a 72 initially, so yeah he took the blame on it himself. I didn't shove it off on him. I love how you took me taking the blame for some of the early stuff as me making it clear I had 100% of power. So you're mad at me for not taking blame when I was taking blame, lol. I mean just admit what this really is, you've never liked me and you're going to always twist anything I do into a negative.

6. Admit I don't do as much as I claim to do? What?

7. Refusal to accept help from anybody competent? Hmm so you mean because we didn't put Rob back on difficulties right? Cause that wasn't just my decision. I tried getting more judges, people fell off quickly that did apply (not that there were many to begin with). You talk so much crap but literally have no idea how many times I've tried to get help, only for the people to get their title then do absolutely nothing, or be here for a short while then poof away.

What's even funnier is I left for like a year? Year and a half? I can't remember. And nobody stepped up, nothing was getting done. Someone could've run an OT, nobody did. You also seem to forget I haven't run all of them and the complaints have still flown when others ran them. Do you even remember all the super old tournaments and how those used to go? Lol, there's been HUGE improvements but everyone wants to harp on the negative rather than try to make a positive experience, and THAT is what's going to kill things. Stop trying to push off all the blame on me as if I'm the downfall of the site when I've put in countless hours at this point just trying to scrape by and keep it as active as I could with what I'm capable of.

Hey, if you don't wanna derail the thread I would love to talk on discord :*

**psychoangel691** · 08-25-2020, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DarknessXoXLight

Hey, if you don't wanna derail the thread I would love to talk on discord :*

Message me on discord then.

**TC_Halogen** · 08-25-2020, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DarknessXoXLight

You've made it abundantly clear numerous times that you hold 100% of the power and decision making over this tournament but when a file like Circle Pit is very poorly slotted it's suddenly AJ's fault for giving you the rating so you say go talk to AJ? You absolve yourself of blame on a very regular basis.

This site is never going to be what it once was because of how poorly run it currently is and your refusal to accept help from anybody competent.

@ bolded comment: lol, ok

@ everything else -- I love how you're actually trying to speak for me as if it wasn't my fault. I took the blame because I was helping with estimations and putting things in place, and I made a mistake marking the file. I was tasked with trying to at least give estimations for things and I legitimately felt like the difficulty for the file wasn't as high as it was perceived by the community. But hey, if someone makes a mistake, it's alright for you to conveniently pounce on it as a measure of any claims of partiality. Anything to cling to make any sort of point.

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