Why do i have trouble playing Step Mania?

eplic · 01-12-2009, 09:37 PM

I can almost FC a master level song on FFR, while i go to step mania and its very very hard... I mean it doesnt feel like im hitting the arrows, and i guess in reality im not.. but Is there a reason behind this?

**megamon88** · 01-12-2009, 09:38 PM

It could be becuase the timing windows are smaller in stepmania.
If you're getting a lot of goods this is probably the case.

**mnnicol** · 01-12-2009, 09:40 PM

The number of boos in your replays are quite something...

Unlike FFR, in Stepmania, if you mash mash mash, it won't keep you alive...it will result in lots of boos/goods

eplic · 01-12-2009, 09:45 PM

My Replays i swear to god are INCORRECT! Iv played songs and matched them up with the replay. its NOT ME i dont understand that.

**bender5** · 01-12-2009, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eplic

My Replays i swear to god are INCORRECT! Iv played songs and matched them up with the replay. its NOT ME i dont understand that.

Replays have something called Average Misses still in them which don't exist anymore, so I'm not going to explain them.

But if you mash a lot in fmo files, and then attempt to do the same thing you won't make it very far.

In other words, you need to work on your control in both ffr and stepmania to get better

**Patashu** · 01-12-2009, 09:51 PM

the timing windows are a lot tighter in stepmania

in +/- milliseconds, they are:
Marvelous - 0 to 22.5
Perfect - 22.5 to 45
Great - 45 to 90
Good - 90 to 135
Boo - 135 to 180

to combo you have to hit within 0.09 of a second
to not miss (but still get goods/boos) you have to hit within 0.18 of a second
and because of the existence of timing windows which break combo and give negative life, you can't full combo and pass any song by simply mashing faster than the notes
as an approximation, if you hit 1 good/boo for every 10 great/perfect/marvelous your lifebar will remain steady

**mnnicol** · 01-12-2009, 09:52 PM

Oh, I was referring to the massive amount of boos. Try less mashing and actually hitting the arrows.

Edit: Yeah, Bender and Patashu got you covered lmao

eplic · 01-12-2009, 10:02 PM

Im NOT MASHING! God dont blame me for that! Im trying really hard to press the arrows as they come, but i keep missing them! and i KNOW that im playing them =(

Mr. Bob · 01-12-2009, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eplic

Im NOT MASHING! God dont blame me for that! Im trying really hard to press the arrows as they come, but i keep missing them! and i KNOW that im playing them =(

raise ya cmod

**megamon88** · 01-12-2009, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eplic

Im NOT MASHING! God dont blame me for that! Im trying really hard to press the arrows as they come, but i keep missing them! and i KNOW that im playing them =(

Well, if you're getting 50+ boos on most of your songs, it means that you're mashing. Even though you're trying, it doesn't mean that you're actually pressing the keys. Work on lowering your boos, averages and goods, then play stepmania.

**DayMan951** · 01-12-2009, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eplic

Im NOT MASHING! God dont blame me for that! Im trying really hard to press the arrows as they come, but i keep missing them! and i KNOW that im playing them =(

Vertex BETA 1,326 - 322 - 83 - 24 - 214
Vertex BETA 1,334 - 336 - 64 - 21 - 127
Garyoutensei 881 - 224 - 50 - 13 - 109
Piano Etude (Demon Fire) 1,131 - 342 - 198 - 16 - 558
Piano Etude (Demon Fire) 1,078 - 377 - 163 - 69 - 303

Yea, you're mashing. Try easier songs.

Chaosvermin · 01-13-2009, 01:25 AM

Is,
Demon Fire 1390 - 237 - 39 - 21 - 115 Combo 614
Mash mash mashing, yes or no?

**Patashu** · 01-13-2009, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chaosvermin

Is,
Demon Fire 1390 - 237 - 39 - 21 - 115 Combo 614
Mash mash mashing, yes or no?

sounds like it's mashing the hardest parts

**L0NEvvolf** · 01-13-2009, 02:14 AM

I have the same problem and I don't mash FFR just something about how SM is set up, I really dislike it.

**NekoGon** · 01-13-2009, 02:49 AM

it's still mashing
do the same in sm and youll probably fail the song

**robertsona** · 01-13-2009, 03:45 PM

for some reason in stepmania i think of the notes as notes with boxes around them; "closed off".
and in ffr everything is a potential note and there are no boxes.

lol

**Nullifidian** · 01-13-2009, 03:54 PM

That's probably because jumps and hands act as one note.
If you don't hit them all, you miss the entire jump/hand. (Though they only count as one note for your lifebar as well. )
But it can give that feeling Robertsona is talking about.

**WTFBrandon** · 01-13-2009, 03:59 PM

Because SM > FFR
The harder, the better.
No one likes things too easy, if everything was to easy everybody would be good at everything.

kommisar[os] · 01-13-2009, 04:01 PM

it's way easier to hit stuff in ffr. the timing windows work differently

in sm you can hit it either early or late, ffr it's only early.

**coraleaterlinda** · 01-13-2009, 05:30 PM

stepmania does seem to be somewhat more difficult than ffr, but its good practice. it seems to be helping me improve my accuracy.

01-12-2009, 09:37 PM	#1
eplic FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 29	Why do i have trouble playing Step Mania? I can almost FC a master level song on FFR, while i go to step mania and its very very hard... I mean it doesnt feel like im hitting the arrows, and i guess in reality im not.. but Is there a reason behind this?

01-12-2009, 09:38 PM	#2
megamon88 aka Assertive Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Waterloo, ON Age: 29 Posts: 2,567	Re: Why do i have trouble playing Step Mania? It could be becuase the timing windows are smaller in stepmania. If you're getting a lot of goods this is probably the case. __________________

01-12-2009, 09:40 PM	#3
mnnicol U mirin'? Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Fitness Thread Age: 35 Posts: 4,262	Re: Why do i have trouble playing Step Mania? The number of boos in your replays are quite something... Unlike FFR, in Stepmania, if you mash mash mash, it won't keep you alive...it will result in lots of boos/goods __________________ - Retired Stepman - I lift things up and put them down

01-12-2009, 09:45 PM	#4
eplic FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 29	Re: Why do i have trouble playing Step Mania? My Replays i swear to god are INCORRECT! Iv played songs and matched them up with the replay. its NOT ME i dont understand that.

01-12-2009, 09:51 PM	#6
Patashu FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: we traced the call...it's coming from inside the house Age: 33 Posts: 8,609	Re: Why do i have trouble playing Step Mania? the timing windows are a lot tighter in stepmania in +/- milliseconds, they are: Marvelous - 0 to 22.5 Perfect - 22.5 to 45 Great - 45 to 90 Good - 90 to 135 Boo - 135 to 180 to combo you have to hit within 0.09 of a second to not miss (but still get goods/boos) you have to hit within 0.18 of a second and because of the existence of timing windows which break combo and give negative life, you can't full combo and pass any song by simply mashing faster than the notes as an approximation, if you hit 1 good/boo for every 10 great/perfect/marvelous your lifebar will remain steady __________________ Patashu makes Chiptunes in Famitracker: http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1) http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee301/xiaoven/solorulzsig.png Last edited by Patashu; 01-12-2009 at 09:54 PM..

01-12-2009, 09:52 PM	#7
mnnicol U mirin'? Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Fitness Thread Age: 35 Posts: 4,262	Re: Why do i have trouble playing Step Mania? Oh, I was referring to the massive amount of boos. Try less mashing and actually hitting the arrows. Edit: Yeah, Bender and Patashu got you covered lmao __________________ - Retired Stepman - I lift things up and put them down

01-12-2009, 10:02 PM	#8
eplic FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 29	Re: Why do i have trouble playing Step Mania? Im NOT MASHING! God dont blame me for that! Im trying really hard to press the arrows as they come, but i keep missing them! and i KNOW that im playing them =(

01-13-2009, 02:14 AM	#14
L0NEvvolf FFR Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Age: 33 Posts: 2,068	Re: Why do i have trouble playing Step Mania? I have the same problem and I don't mash FFR just something about how SM is set up, I really dislike it.

01-13-2009, 02:49 AM	#15
NekoGon щ(ﾟДﾟщ) Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Malaysia Age: 33 Posts: 2,709	Re: Why do i have trouble playing Step Mania? it's still mashing do the same in sm and youll probably fail the song __________________

01-13-2009, 03:45 PM	#16
robertsona missa in h-moll Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: nyc Age: 28 Posts: 3,995	Re: Why do i have trouble playing Step Mania? for some reason in stepmania i think of the notes as notes with boxes around them; "closed off". and in ffr everything is a potential note and there are no boxes. lol __________________

01-13-2009, 03:54 PM	#17
Nullifidian ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Join Date: Sep 2007 Age: 34 Posts: 1,837	Re: Why do i have trouble playing Step Mania? That's probably because jumps and hands act as one note. If you don't hit them all, you miss the entire jump/hand. (Though they only count as one note for your lifebar as well. ) But it can give that feeling Robertsona is talking about. __________________

01-13-2009, 03:59 PM	#18
WTFBrandon Shout out to Hades Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dan's pillow Age: 33 Posts: 1,387	Re: Why do i have trouble playing Step Mania? Because SM > FFR The harder, the better. No one likes things too easy, if everything was to easy everybody would be good at everything. __________________ I'm a bad bad Boy.

01-13-2009, 04:01 PM	#19
kommisar[os] Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Moncton, NB, Canada Age: 33 Posts: 4,097	Re: Why do i have trouble playing Step Mania? it's way easier to hit stuff in ffr. the timing windows work differently in sm you can hit it either early or late, ffr it's only early.

01-13-2009, 05:30 PM	#20
coraleaterlinda FFR Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Victoria, TX Age: 36 Posts: 415	Re: Why do i have trouble playing Step Mania? stepmania does seem to be somewhat more difficult than ffr, but its good practice. it seems to be helping me improve my accuracy. __________________

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)