That topic.

[Z3ratul]

You might want to clarify (Chromer) whether or not you want this discussion to be directed towards a biblical one or not. From the Bible's stand point maybe it is a sin (idk, I'm not very educated on the subject). What's so perplexing about that?

I could use the simple 'I think Bible is bs' argument, in which case it isn't a sin. It depends on how empirically we're taking the discussion. I'm not trying to come off as rude or anything- I'm just unsure as what there is (or needs be) to actually discuss. The whole issue to me seems pretty subjective.

[deltro300111]

Uh, back onto topic.

Christians, and Christianity stress repent and be saved, this attaches itself to all sins. Masturbation has only been frowned upon by over-zealous christians, spreading the lies like, "Masturbating makes your palms hairy," more than likely not as an honest superstition, or that god doesn't like it, but that if they masturbate, the person spreading said rumor doesn't want to know about it.

The bible creates things that are shameful, but not neccesarily a sin- alla. Eve's awareness of her nudity. God doesn't punish her for being nude, but the apples of knowledge that he put there created such a standard.

I'm not a particularly christian person, (largely because as a teen, I don't feel I have the time to apply much more of christianity to my life than it's morals, and will save the praising, and spirituality thing when I have a job, and more to be thankful for than my parent's hard work.) but I'm knowledgable of it due to discussions with my parents, and having gone to church for the first 10 years of my life.

[Froston]

Originally Posted by super-smashman

The rules changed when Jesus came.

See this means Jesus broke the rules, therefore he is a rebel, and if your religious enough you will follow jesus and become a rebel, by masturbating...

Anywho religions never did us any good has it? Religion causes wars and nothing better, take Jesus for example...did he live hapily ever after? No....he died, and no he did not ressurect himself cuz ther is no proof...o wait....a book...
its kinda silly cuz say thousands of years later....the newer generation would discover a harry potter book, they might start to believe all the stuff they read in it.

Well I Just think Jesus wanted to change the way society ran, and im pretty sure he didnt want us all to worship him or god in any aspect.


But back on topic, seriously its your decision.

[Omeganitros]

Originally Posted by deltro300111

The bible creates things that are shameful, but not neccesarily a sin

Give yourself a pat on the back, that's the smartest thing I've heard in Critical Thinking in a while.

[deltro300111]

Originally Posted by Froston

.o wait....a book...
its kinda silly cuz

and then I stopped reading

[whorlichan]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

I've always read Onan's sin to be against pulling out (and, thus, contraception) rather than masturbation, but that's just me.

Also, whorli, I'm pretty sure that since Onan's brother was dead that he had every legal right to his wife.

--Guido

Sorry, Andy--that last part was aimed more at child-molesting priests than Onan's brother having sex with the dead dude's wife. Once you're dead you really have no say in who has sex with your wife and I have no problem with that

[Suzuru]

Originally Posted by Omeganitros

Man, now this thread's got me all thinking if those Monks that live in the mountains (you know, the ones that are all pure and have no worldly possessions) masturbate.

I have no doubt.

[JasonKey]

Though it is I am sure, a highly insightful topic .. and definitely requires the full range of critical thinking for some. We think this is best suited in the Garbage Bin.

Moved .. and enjoy

[Twilight_Overlord]

Religion in the garbage bin.

gj Jason.

[deltro300111]

I agree.

LOCK OR GTFO

[ducky285]

So you took a perfectly good thread that was garnering some pretty interesting responses in Critical Thinking, and decided to move it to the Garbage Bin where people will have license to tear the whole discussion apart with random jokes about masturbation.

Wonderful.

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by Froston

Anywho religions never did us any good has it? Religion causes wars and nothing better

Yeah, that thing that's helped countless people through thousands of years never did anything good. That Mother Theresa was just a two-timing whore, right?

owai

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[ducky285]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

Yeah, that thing that's helped countless people through thousands of years never did anything good. That Mother Theresa was just a two-timing whore, right?

owai

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

I agree with what this person's sarcasm implies.

Yes, wars and other atrocities have been committed in the name of religion, but it's no different than, say, government. And dare I say that both religion and government have just as many redeeming qualities as they do faults?

[Telvanni_guard]

The first page was somewhat off-topic. The second is a thoughtful and interesting discussion, albeit a bit random in places.

In response to Whorli:

Ah. I guess I read and interpretted the passage wrong then. (Thought it dealt with not laying with the wife and masturbating in private. I see the word 'laying' now.)

However, I do have another side argument. If I remember right, from when I used to go to church, God forbade(?) unpure thoughts. Such as being with a woman, and imagining another woman. Meaning it would be a sin to have images of another woman in your head while masturbating. If you were not married, then it may be considered a sin to have any image of a woman in your head while masturbating. But I'm not familiar with that much of the bible to know about adultery being extended to masturbation.

[Froston]

hey guido, mother theresa started a charity, and was funded by extened volunteer workers and such.... money helped those thousands of people....not religion and beliefs.

[Chromer]

However, what if you masturbate and have no thoughts of women while you do it? Technically, you're not comitting adultery or lust.

[GuidoHunter]

...You kind of have to be married or be doing a married person to commit adultery.

Regardless, though, how often do you masturbate and not once think of a sexual situation or a person with whom you would enjoy being in a sexual situation? I'd wager never. And I'd win, which is why masturbation and lust (which, Telvanni, is one of the seven deadly sins) are quite intimately connected.

@Froston: Oh, come on, like nothing she did was based on religion. Like she was never a missionary. Like religion wasn't a prime cause of her doing what she did. Please. And on top of that, she's only a drop in the bucket of evidence that religion helps people. To systematically disparage all religion as bad is nothing but dishonest.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[super-smashman]

That passage doesn't even hint to masturbation.

And it is in Genesis.

If people actually don't masturbate because of that then they are complete tools.

[GuidoHunter]

Well, the only thing that Onan seemed to do wrong was spill his seed on the ground. That's exactly what you're doing when you masturbate, so I don't see how you're failing to note a correlation.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[super-smashman]

I think the fact that he was doing purposely not to get her pregnant is a much more likely reason why it's bad.