Drug test people on welfare?

[fido123]

Take the philosophy of "If it already hasn't been done before it's probably not a good idea" to the 60's with civil rights. Also anything but majorities matter? Wasn't aware of that one =/

[Mans0n]

What im saying is if there's a law passed in say 26/50 states its probably more likely than not going to be made law in the remaining states.

[Reincarnate]

psychoangel: Yes, people who apply for welfare would pay for the test, and no, it's not just the cost of a dipstick. It requires an entirely new system. The costs have already been outlined publicly. I agree that the person should qualify for the other benefits first before being tested and I'm pretty sure (or at least hopeful) that they'll do it that way.

But why target the poor? There are plenty of people who receive much larger sums of government aid and plenty who generate more cost to society in terms of their drug/alcohol abuse. Why waste resources on something that is but a tiny dent in the grand scheme of the problem?

Like I said, this is a typical hardcore right-wing viewpoint. It's the same impetus that drove the GOP to push for things like shutting down Planned Parenthood during a time when there was an imminent risk of government shutdown -- even though it was not an economically sensible agenda. It's just a means to perpetuate a myth that isn't backed up by data and has everything to do with trying to paint those in poverty as lazy criminals.

If you want to get people out of welfare, simply blocking people from getting into welfare is *not* the answer -- the answer is finding a way so people don't need to even apply for welfare to begin with. Point the resources *there* instead.

[psychoangel691]

I'm not saying target only the poor welfare just happens to be the topic at hand. I think anyone that's going to receive something essentially for nothing should have to meet certain guidelines including being drug free. Why do I take a stance on drugs so harshly? Because it makes my head spin how many do them now. It was such a taboo thing before and no one spoke of it really. Now just sitting here on ffr all you ever see is something about someone being high. I lost friends and a family member to drugs, so yea I'm sorry I have a little bit of a personal bias against drugs. I don't run around telling people what they should or shouldn't do when it comes to them. But if you have the money to **** your body up then you don't need the taxpayers money in your pocket. That's just how I feel.

[Thatskier]

It's a good thing. How many abusive fathers would spend the money on alcohol and cigarettes? It doesn't even have to be illegal substances, just body/mental changing. It could be ****ing mudkipz for all i care. TEST THEM.

[Mans0n]

Anyone who has ever died from drug use obviously wasn't using them in a smart way. If people would limit themselves and show some self control there wouldn't be as many deaths related to drug use. But there are always going to be those people that can't control themselves and over do it.

[l-l-l]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

Of course you would chime in your two cents of nothing. Come back when you can make a valid argument other than you just being against it because you do drugs yourself.

Is this lady really a mod?

[Mans0n]

I guess so, but with an attitude like that you would think otherwise amirite?

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

I'm not saying target only the poor welfare just happens to be the topic at hand. I think anyone that's going to receive something essentially for nothing should have to meet certain guidelines including being drug free. Why do I take a stance on drugs so harshly? Because it makes my head spin how many do them now. It was such a taboo thing before and no one spoke of it really. Now just sitting here on ffr all you ever see is something about someone being high. I lost friends and a family member to drugs, so yea I'm sorry I have a little bit of a personal bias against drugs. I don't run around telling people what they should or shouldn't do when it comes to them. But if you have the money to **** your body up then you don't need the taxpayers money in your pocket. That's just how I feel.

Okay, so if your problem is with drugs -- again, why focus on those on welfare? Why should they be subjected to this kind of test and not other groups that have higher usage rates? Why waste money on tests that won't actually solve the problems that welfare is plagued by? Why not put that money to butter use?

Economically and socially, this plan does not solve anything. The statistics don't justify it. This law is nothing but a way to perpetuate a false stigma and humiliate people when they're already down.

[Thatskier]

Originally Posted by Mans0n

I guess so, but with an attitude like that you would think otherwise amirite?

TBH: None of our mods are great by any stretch. They tend to bring there personal life and their values into play instead of doing there job.

[G.S.M]

anyone has a right to their opinion mod or not. It is still part of the topic

as for the mans0n thing: we all know mans0n is a complete moron so she has a right to say that.

[TC_Halogen]

People need a refresher on forum rules: being a prick in your opinion and then telling said staff member to kill themselves = disrespect to staff = 3 day ban. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but being disrespectful about it is perfect reason to be punished.

also:

Anyone who has ever died from drug use obviously wasn't using them in a smart way.

my head is spinning here: since when was the usage of drugs ever intelligent?

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Mans0n

Anyone who has ever died from drug use obviously wasn't using them in a smart way. If people would limit themselves and show some self control there wouldn't be as many deaths related to drug use. But there are always going to be those people that can't control themselves and over do it.

Right because you know the dealer couldn't possibly lace the stuff even if it's someone you trust right? It's totally 100 percent safe. There's a reason drugs are illegal.

Originally Posted by Mans0n

I guess so, but with an attitude like that you would think otherwise amirite?

Right because the occasional post is having a poor attitude. The majority of my posts on this forum are helping others. Plus none of you want to listen to the rules then get all butthurt when we do ban you but then we're supposed to treat you like gold. That makes a ton of sense.

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Okay, so if your problem is with drugs -- again, why focus on those on welfare? Why should they be subjected to this kind of test and not other groups that have higher usage rates? Why waste money on tests that won't actually solve the problems that welfare is plagued by? Why not put that money to butter use?

Economically and socially, this plan does not solve anything. The statistics don't justify it. This law is nothing but a way to perpetuate a false stigma and humiliate people when they're already down.

Again I never said only target welfare programs. This just happens to be the topic of the thread. I think they need to continue on cracking down on drugs unless they're going to legalize and moderate it. Too many stupid people doing too many stupid things. People debated how suicide is selfish, well so is drug use.

Originally Posted by Thatskier

TBH: None of our mods are great by any stretch. They tend to bring there personal life and their values into play instead of doing there job.

Right I suck so bad at being a mod considering I take action to every reported post immediately. I try not to be too much of a tightwad because you guys get all upset when the mods are "fun killers" but then if we make one or two posts that take even the slightest jab at someone you guys go all "oh they're such bad mods" If you guys don't want us banning you for every little poor post you make then don't target us for being bad mods if we make an occasional "bad" post. I simply told mans0n to back up his posts because he's always posting with no real information. And this is a debate in this thread how is using personal experiences to back up what I feel about something wrong? Many tools are used for debating including personal experiences.



Edit: You know what from now on I'm gonna "do my job" then. If you flame you'll be banned, troll banned, use improper grammar, etc.

[Nyokou]

Why would you even argue with him? It's a waste of time. Dude, you were born like a decade before him. He's a kid.

[00Razor00]

What a shitstorm of a thread.

[Aldentron]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

my head is spinning here: since when was the usage of drugs ever intelligent?

in the 2000+ year history of weed smokeage, since when was the use of such an indic8or of a lack of intelligence?

answer: when gov't propaganda ran rampant in 1971 ya big gullible

[Poison-]

Originally Posted by Aldentron

in the 2000+ year history of weed smokeage, since when was the use of such an indic8or of a lack of intelligence?

answer: when gov't propaganda ran rampant in 1971 ya big gullible

Weed is a shit ton different now than it was 2000 years ago bud.

[ddr_f4n]

Apparently the burning bush Moses found was actually a bush of weed :V

[Mans0n]

halogen are you high bro? plenty of intelligent and smart people use and have used drugs, so please don't even get me started on that list.

Drugs have a bad rep in general because weak minded people abuse them and do bad shit while either high on them or for the drugs because they '' needed'' it.
Anyone that's a respected person of society will tell you it's all about maintaining and having self control if your going to do drugs. And doing them in the right place at the right time is also important as well.
Those people are what give a lot of a drugs a bad rep which doesn't necessarily mean that the drug(s) itself is/are bad when used with moderation and consideration like a smart person would do.

And Psychoangel anyone who ever bought laced drugs is because they decided to buy from someone who they didn't know. Which is in the end pretty much their fault because thats what happens when you buy from someone you don't trust, or even know. Which can easily be avoided if you go to the right people of course.

Originally Posted by Poison-

Weed is a shit ton different now than it was 2000 years ago bud.

and so are people bud

[DN_Catastrophic]

I fully support this! I do NOT want my money paying for the drugs an addict uses. I'd rather have it go to someone that is actually in need of food and shelter.