Damn School

[MrRubix]

Originally Posted by fireking550

And Rubix i am going to disagree with you (this seems to be a common theme i am noticing) on the topic that plagiarism teaches you nothing. And no i am not talking about copying and pasting stuff from a website and passing it off as your own word for word that is stupid. The technical meaning of plagiarism is : "the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work." I am mainly speaking of the close imitation in the following. This is where people usually laugh at me. All ideas have been represented in some form or another at one time or another in some form of media/literature. The reason we are reading about this author is because he has done it the best, why would taking his ideas and using them be bad? My school has a strict plagiarism policy in which if you are talking about a revolutionist (such as Robespierre from the French Revolution) you better put in quotation anything that even sounds remotely close to being a pro revolution concept. Most personal input is his ideas just using less fancy wording and less technical terms which leaves me with the questions, what is the point? If i call a poodle a poodle but someone says i can't, i have to call it a dog their really is no logical sense in that. These essays are not going to be sold for money, they by no means are going to be published. Copying word for word is certainly bad, but the close imitation part is what bothers me. No ideas in the modern world were not expressed in the past so we can't really have original ideas and since the definition of plagiarism does not include "the intent of" i questions, what is not plagiarism?

Honestly i felt liking going on a short rant and these forms are the perfect place because no one here knows me =D

1. A common theme? Only for the retarded who want to justify stupidity. Disagreeing with me is usually a very stupid idea, here.

2. There is a very clear difference between learning something/reiterating the concept in your own words and straight-up jacking someone else's work with minor modifications. Plagiarism with respect to essay-writing is bad because you're basically taking someone ELSE'S analysis or someone ELSE'S words and simply dressing them up a bit differently so there isn't a direct match to make it obvious that it was copied.

I've NEVER been accused of plagiarizing any essay and I use a pretty articulate vocabulary for such things. Most of the time, when a teacher calls a student out for plagiarizing, it's usually for a good reason unless the teacher is genuinely ignorant.

[Izzy]

If you concede to writing another essay it is just going to reinforce their belief that you cheated. Fight it at all costs.

Also I would transfer to a public school if the public school system where you live doesn't offer terrible opportunities.

[MrRubix]

Originally Posted by Izzy

If you concede to writing another essay it is just going to reinforce their belief that you cheated. Fight it at all costs.

Also I would transfer to a public school if the public school system where you live doesn't offer terrible opportunities.

This.

This is mainly why I say "fight it to the death" if you're legitimately innocent. Conceding to doing additional work based on a false premise only shows that you're admitting fault on some level. If I wrote an essay and a teacher told me to do more work because he felt it wasn't mine, I'd honestly tell him to stick it (in a more polite fashion, of course -- unless the teacher was being vitriolic, in which case I'd take the matter to a higher authority).

[MinaciousGrace]

DAMN YOU AND YOUR COMMON SENSE RUBIX

*shakes fist*

[Izzy]

Of course, mr rubix rewords what I said with better vocabulary and gets attention.

[MinaciousGrace]

i actually have absolutely no idea what's going on in this thread and have no intention of reading any of it

i sort of just assumed that at some point rubix applied common sense to the matter at hand and decided to post on a whim

[dore]

[MrRubix]

Word.

[fireking550]

Wtf i had a whole thing to argue with rubix and its gone -.-, now even the forums itself are guarding him.

[Izzy]

Arguing with rubix?

.....

[fireking550]

Originally Posted by Izzy

Arguing with rubix?

.....

yes, he seems like the know it all and i love to argue with those people, its fun

[Izzy]

There's a difference between someone who knows it all, and a know it all.

A know it all will act like he knows everything and give some made up answer to anything he doesn't know.

If someone who knows it all doesn't know something, they will look it up and not give an answer to something that don't know about.

[fireking550]

Originally Posted by Izzy

There's a difference between someone who knows it all, and a know it all.

A know it all will act like he knows everything and give some made up answer to anything he doesn't know.

If someone who knows it all doesn't know something, they will look it up and not give an answer to something that don't know about.

Now your just being picky.

[TD_Diarrhea]

I just spoke (less than an hour ago) with the assistant principal.

It's official. Guys, the paper isn't being accepted on the basis that it's too good. No plagarism. It's just too good.



"A high school student didn't write that"
"You're not an A+ english student"

Me: That's insulting my intelligence.

Assistant Principal: Sorry.

And for compensation, they're having me read a book on the religion topic over vacation, then telling a religioun teacher what the topic of the book was.

Tommorow is the last day before Christmas break, the last day before vacation. Should I say something? Honestly, my work is being rejected on the basis that it's too good.

[insanefreddy926]

Originally Posted by MrRubix

1. A common theme? Only for the retarded who want to justify stupidity. Disagreeing with me is usually a very stupid idea, here.

sounds like a know-it-all ta me.

(I know rubix pretty much does know it all, but come on, that comment was pointless)

also, get out of that crap school, you're probably paying thousands of dollars a year to put up with that bull****

[Mousethecat]

Originally Posted by TD_Diarrhea

By the way, this is a private catholic school.

Originally Posted by TD_Diarrhea

a religion teacher

/thread

Seriously...

I recently started writing about the relation between taking religion way too seriously, and having lesser intelligence. This is just too perfect.

Thank you for the awesome thread. Keep fighting till they run out of false logic.

[MrRubix]

Originally Posted by fireking550

yes, he seems like the know it all and i love to argue with those people, its fun

The problem is that I'm actually right, so good luck trying to win that one, Sisyphus

[MrRubix]

Originally Posted by TD_Diarrhea

I just spoke (less than an hour ago) with the assistant principal.

It's official. Guys, the paper isn't being accepted on the basis that it's too good. No plagarism. It's just too good.



"A high school student didn't write that"
"You're not an A+ english student"

Me: That's insulting my intelligence.

Assistant Principal: Sorry.

And for compensation, they're having me read a book on the religion topic over vacation, then telling a religioun teacher what the topic of the book was.

Tommorow is the last day before Christmas break, the last day before vacation. Should I say something? Honestly, my work is being rejected on the basis that it's too good.

Would you mind posting the paper? Or at least PM it to me. Either way, "You're not an A+ student" is an absolutely retarded argument. Definitely fight that one and refuse to do the extra assignment.

[alloyus]

Call them out on it. You've done nothing wrong, you shouldn't be punished.

[gnr61]

if this is actually true than you still clearly have options at this point; taking the matter higher up the food chain is your best bet imo, since at some point someone with a degree of objectivity will take up the case. such a thing can easily be the basis for a legal claim if it gets way out of control but if the proper channels are gone through i see no reason why it should get to that.

tbh though the whole situation seems a little sketchy at this point lol, especially if you're not going to let anyone see the paper