TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

[roundbox]

juckter - Zenith, psychoangel, mellonxcollie, Hakulyte, roundbox
dfr - Precarious, XelNya, Charu, juckter
mellonxcollie - dfr
psychoangel - MML
unvote - shadowolfe

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[danceflashrevo]

Originally Posted by Precarious

This was a clear OMGUS push, including the needless sarcastic flourish ("You decide on FFR TWG CLIX!!"). The problem is, it was based on something completely removed from the actual game. At that time, Charu had been townreading me frequently and aggressively. This wasn't a simple misread; it had been a theme of just about all of Charu's gut reads/roster runs to that point. That suggests that DFR had not been actually following the thread at all. Now, that's somewhat understandable. People get busy. The games here move insanely fast. BUT rather than simply saying "I've been busy, I'll catch up" (as DFR has had no problem doing a bunch of other times in this thread), he instead chose to make a roster run that was not based on actual work/reads. This suggests he simply wanted to make reads in order to create the illusion of towniness, and combined with his accusation get the pressure of a vote off of him. But making reads based on nothing is anti-town, and given its implications, also dishonest.

I wanted to put content. I also had misread charu saying town/wolf for some reason a lot (not evidenced in my posts but I really did, though I don't expect you to believe me). And yeah, that's really really lame of me to misread that coupled with being legitimately busy and wanting to post content and not having the time to read through the entire thread. I hadn't had a town or scum lean on you and misremembered charu's views of you. I didn't make any indication whether or not you were scum or town on it either, simply brought it up. So I wouldn't say I made a read from it. Really it's just poor play by my part and really embarassing but I'll just have to suck it up and continue trying to convince you all that I am town.

(I'll also note that DFR town-read Haku and nulled a floundering Juckter, which will be pertinent in a moment).

called this would happen lul. i wouldn't say I nulled him, i only did at the end. please scum read me on my shit reads.

A town player, when facing a mislynch, should try to leave some information behind, because the mislynch will at least clear them and show that they were acting in good faith. The information may or may not be correct, but at least we would know it's not deliberately deceptive. However, DFR still provides no reads. People think I post empty mechanics, but this post offers nothing that we couldn't have worked out ourselves. There are no reads, no real insights, no comments or observations on what led to this point. A wolf can do this too, after all; while it will be discredited with the flip, it's a good way to simulate towniness and perhaps push off the lynch.

Right, I had no useful information to leave behind. My reads are shit, it'd be wrong anyways. The only useful information that I can give is that I'm town and I'm a waste of a lynch or shot. I gave most of my insights and I really haven't had any conclusion on the majority of the leftover players, which is bad play on my part. Sorry. And yeah the post offers something you could've worked out yourselves. EVERYTHING THAT I POST COULD BE WORKED OUT YOURSELVES BECAUSE I'M BAD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M DOING EVER GOD DAMMIT. It's hard to be original and I don't have a great track record of being great on my own. At this point I was just trying to give off as much as I could. Also weird that you include this little bit about yourself, seems kinda... unnecessary?

As EoD continued and it became clear that DFR wasn't outright doomed, there were some weirdly prescient, defensive posts.



This is a somewhat odd concern, and seems to foreshadow Juckter's flip.

are you serious? i think that's a legitimate concern, you know, because you'd be lynching a townie on a shit read he had. (I'm a he btw).

Then, right after Charu posted a suggestion to Shado to shoot Haku, DFR posted this:



This is the same DFR who had been townreading Haku fairly consistently. If a wolf DFR knew scummate Haku was going to be shot, then it's time to distance.

sorry that i made a joke. will think about not posting jokes next time.

The only payoff is if the suddenly distancing DFR could get clear of the carnage.

I think he's smarter than that, he was hella awkward at EoD and that just made his chances worse.

There are still no reads, nor any posts meaningfully engaging in the game. There are occasional defenses when problems in DFR's profile are raised (see mellon's post #1841 and the conversation that follows).

Trust me I'm trying, at this point I still feel I need to defend myself and help people know my role. And yeah garbage player is still garbage, I'm just trying to be more active, which I feel like I've done decently if there's not a Clemson football game happening (clemson won in ot btw holy shit what a game).

But now that people are townreading DFR to some degree, he is content to sit back. This is despite the fact that we have a wolf and an SK still out there. We have a reason to continue searching. Players interested more in personal survival than ferreting out anti-town look particularly bad now, because survival is at a special premium for both wolf and SK. Neither can die and still win the game.

Don't jump to conclusions about my work ethic buddy.

To me, DFR profiles as a strong wolf read, stronger than when I initially voted them, stronger even than during EoD. Could I be wrong? Sure.

But I doubt it.

danceflashrevo

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[danceflashrevo]

Who would you say the weakest player in the game is? Not based on town read but in general.

[Charu]

Oh now you fight back...

Cute

[danceflashrevo]

Originally Posted by Charu

Oh now you fight back...

Cute

I'm sorry did you want me to defend myself to something that I didn't see?

[Charu]

No, I'm referring to this post.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by danceflashrevo

Who would you say the weakest player in the game is? Not based on town read but in general.

!!

[Charu]

Only when someone decides to go in depth with you in a different light do you respond in such a way.

Rather curious...

[_Zenith_]

For now I'll say I think it was Precarious who went full-on OMGUS with the whole "Zenith is my best SK read" when I had said at the start of the phase that he was a very good one for me.

This doesn't help his case in any way, it'd help solidify mine. Take that as you will Precarious.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

For now I'll say I think it was Precarious who went full-on OMGUS with the whole "Zenith is my best SK read" when I had said at the start of the phase that he was a very good one for me.

This doesn't help his case in any way, it'd help solidify mine. Take that as you will Precarious.

Sorry Pre, but I gotta agree with this.

But secretly, y'know what I really wish for, hee hee hee

[_Zenith_]

Another thing, Isolating someone like Precarious for example is hemorrhaging in the sense the majority of posts are unnecessarily long.

[danceflashrevo]

Charu I don't necessarily follow but whatever tickles your tendies in such a curious manner go for it I guess

[_Zenith_]

Holy shit I found something incredible about Precarious.

It wholeheartedly now warrants this: Precarious

You're definitely anti-town in this game (not sure which but I don't give a shit, you're not town).

[Charu]

Uh... Zenith?

[Charu]

Mind, erm... oh I don't know...

EXPLAIN BEFORE JUST RANDOMLY CALLING IT OUT AND VOTING!?

[Charu]

Originally Posted by danceflashrevo

Charu I don't necessarily follow but whatever tickles your tendies in such a curious manner go for it I guess

The fact you're fighting back is the thing.

[Charu]

Not just defending but, fighting

You're not that much of a fighter in pushes I've come to learn unless someone asks you nicely. The only times I see you fight is if either.

1: Someone asks

2: You see something really damning for the other person AND you're not anti-town

[AragakiAyase]

thesunfan will be handling phase end.

[Charu]

Never really do it, even if you're being grilled as hard as possible. You just shrug it off, defend with posts, and keep doing that until people are finally happy.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by Precarious

General thoughts on the night:

There are several scenarios accounting for the missing kill. Technically, the wolves could have purposely withheld a kill, in an attempt to frame Shado (fewer than three kills might call into question whether or not he represented an actual third killing power). However, this is unlikely given that Shado announced at EoD that he was targeting Haku (as Haku is now shown to be a wolf, they would have known Haku's death would further cement Shado's claim, meaning any false claimant to Vig/Vengeful would probably be lynched first).

Given the above, it would be imprudent for the wolves not to act. We also know that Shado was killed (which does at last fully confirm him obviously), which was most likely a wolf action (eliminating confirmed town is more valuable to them than to the SK, who doesn't have a team/special knowledge, although two confirmed/pseudo-confirmed town would pose a serious threat to any anti-town faction in the endgame).

It's thus very possible that Shado was doubled, which makes more sense the more I think about it. Although the SK might have bet on the wolves targeting Shado, all remaining scenarios require a failed kill. An attempt on Charu seems unlikely, as such an attempt would be expected to fail ahead of time. The only other block possibility is 1-shot protection of the SK, which both assumes a 1-shot bulletproof SK, and assumes the wolves targeted that player. This seems unlikely as targeting a player other than Shado would be foolhardy for them; since they would have known Shado was not a wolf, they would have likely suspected he was telling the truth (or was possibly the SK). There was no one other than Charu that the SK could have targeted with expectation of failure, so it's unlikely that player was blocked.

And now back to what matters.

First section is literally bullshit. Shadow died, you even state so. Why do you even have the first sentence in this post say what it does and why the hell do you word “Frame Shadow” in such a way that you are basing a hypothetical situation as a truth? How can a frame happen on a dead PR? This screams you aren’t town in more ways than one. Firstly, town is definitely going to keep track of who dies because it is information that can be used to stem into further threads of suspicion; in the case a player suddenly finds himself at all nulls or doesn’t know where to continue off from, knowing exactly what the kills were is one of the best starting points. You clearly demonstrate that this isn’t the case.

You then completely contradict this hypothetical and finally notice that Shadow has died, disproving anything you were trying to make a point of in the first paragraph of this post.

My point is simply this: Town is never going to hypothesize a death in the manner you do here. Your post here shows that you’re digging for tinfoil/trying to show you’ve done work to live when this isn’t the case when you start to dig deeper in your posts (like I am now doing). Speaking further of the “missing nightkill” shouldn’t even be happening after a first realization post like I did because unless you already have the knowledge of what happened (and at that case you can simply stage a reaction based from other player reactions), it’ll always be a hypothetical dead end since there is no fact to it.

Ending this now because I need to be right back, but this is a good point to start off on why I’m voting you right now.