TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

OH!

Might as well say it now but Aryxi had a tell.

It was bad mind you, but it was still a tell.

Too lazy to bring up the post right now but I'll fish for it later; had something to do with being a defeatist and rolling with some accusation or another that usually signs him as a poor VT or something. This might not make sense but there's something I remember from earlier while skimming.

^^^^^^^makes no mention of identical posting styles in Aryxi, mentions the tell as being that Aryxi "rolls" when accused.

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This was AA's response on Aryxi's tell (being a defeatist who rolls with some accusation on him):

I saw that too but I don't want to encourage that behavior, I want him to give reads/respond to pressure on him

My response on his tell (this is all after he gave up, then promised to address my points when I told him not to give up and leave, but before he actually replaced out):

On Aryxi, yeah I saw that "tell" but didnt really buy into it too much because he's definitely aware of his response to pressure as town, because he pulled that shit just last game. I think it'd be just as easy for him to do it as wolf as town, because of how recent it was that he last did it and given that it's unlikely to have slipped his after how much he was lambasted for it. Either way, he did promise to come back and explain where he was coming from, so I'm curious to see how that plays out.

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fast forward to present day
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AA and Zenith found a tell about Aryxi that makes him highly likely to be town. I know his alignment because I'm replacing him.

I can confirm that he's right. I don't think he would go as far as creating fake town tells. That doesn't make him confirmed, but that makes him as the top of my town leans.

That "tell" is that he left under pressure, which is part of Aryxi's town meta as of last game. Except, that isn't alignment-indicative. He could have just as easily left under pressure as wolf as he would under town. You're really trying to clear yourself based on being replaced in, and clearing Zenith for noting that town-Aryxi folds under pressure?

If you are town, that's still not a good reason to clear Zenith.

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You are actually very wrong about the tell. I wouldn't even go as far as to assume what the tell is without an explanation from either of us who know and noticed it.

That was bad from you.

Uhm, what?! So aside from me being one of the ones who "know and noticed it", my post about the "tell" is more similar to your initial stance on it then your own!
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The tell is the form of which Aryxi defends himself when pressured. He always uses the same manner, style, mannerisms, tone, and almost words when he's town-aligned and being attacked. It's such a bad tell and yet, it's been decisive so many times already for Aryxi that I'm able to say the slot (at that time because I have no idea what Haku is doing right now) was town-aligned.

......???????
How is this congruent with your initial post about the tell? You're literally changing it up after saying I was wrong. Why? And why do this all to defend Haku?
Also, why is this your only real contribution today?
I re-examined your posts for today and your comeback to thread was mostly filled with reactionary observations, rather than any actual digging. I'm really not liking you now, because you seem to only chime in when you can without actually scumhunting, which reads to me as a wolf trying to look like he's contributing without actually doing any hunting.

Zenith.

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

Can a vanilla town player still have an item? It's worth noting that AA was an archer, and died via an arrow shot. I would argue it's possible that he was otherwise vanilla, but possessed a shot that somehow was reflected back at him, either by item or ability (I'm not familiar enough with FE to identify a cross-mechanic for this--a physical shield? A reflect spell?).

^this is actually a really good question and observation. I had thought about AA's role being a novice archer that always messes up, and noticed that he got hit with an arrow, so I was wondering if he somehow shot himself, but it says he's vanilla town so I dropped it. If a vanilla town player can have an item, then this would be a good explanation for the shot and its timing. I assume if there are shootable items, then there are probably also be items that reflect shots back onto the shooter. I wonder if sunfan would answer this for us.

@TWG Ike, you said that no roles will flip as something other than what they are. Can a role that flips as vanilla town still possess an item?

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

I dont think the idea of a gunsmith is that far off... if I'm remembering correctly the gunsmith gives someone a gun and that person got to shoot someone ant any point in time. That means if we have a gunsmith claim we know that the person he gave the gun to is likely a woof. So here is my crazy plan. The gunsmith claims, we lynch the gunsmith after he tells us who the woof he gave the gun to is.

Btw this plan is probably overtly stupid in some way so you know.

Explain to me why we would lynch the gunsmith after he tells us who the woof he gunned is? Why wouldn't we lynch the woof directly?

Other than that, this plan is actually pretty good. If there's a gunsmith, I agree that they should out the name of the person they gunned.

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

Explain to me why we would lynch the gunsmith after he tells us who the woof he gunned is? Why wouldn't we lynch the woof directly?

Other than that, this plan is actually pretty good. If there's a gunsmith, I agree that they should out the name of the person they gunned.

Actually, I take this back. If a wolf fakeclaims, and we kill the person they said they gunned, then we'd lose a phase that we could've lynched in, as well as the nightkill victim(s), all for one guaranteed wolf the next phase. I don't think that trade is really worth it.

If there's a gunsmith, please don't claim

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

Well, you did it Shadow, I don't understand where you're going anymore.

[ShadoWolfe]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

Well, you did it Shadow, I don't understand where you're going anymore.

What don't you understand?

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

If I hadn't been following the thread, I wouldn't have known Haku started posting with analysis instead of shitposts. What I meant was I hadn't really considered how to read Haku yet (scum, null, town). Classify is maybe better than read here?

-o24

Fair enough.

Still rocking irrelevant stuff but I live in upstate South Carolina but haven't seen it :/

Huh. I'm in Florida but was pretty sure it was an entire East Coast thing.

2) storn42 - Town.

Care to explain that one a little better?

6) MixMasterLar - I feel like you might be scummy because of #1269. Your interactions with both andy and haku were poor in my opinion. The one to haku because you jumped so quickly to "is the gamble that you're voting for your partner?" and to andy because I feel like he's fishing for a newer player to say something that he might not perceive as scummy and then everyone jumps on his ass for it. Plus I feel like your reaction was a little exaggerated to the fact that AA died. Then I think about aggression but I feel like you're pretty outgoing in general so I wouldn't be shocked if this was your wolf game.

Because you didn't bother, here's post #1269 for reference:

Wait fucking what

In the middle of the day fucking what

That's garbage. What a load of shitfuck

What all possible roles could do this? I never played a game where that was a thing




Fuck off, how about a reads list
What kind of gamble is voting an inactive anyway?
Is the gamble that you're voting for your partner?



You uh

You got anything to say about our top town dying in the middle of the fucking day like that?



You should explain that to me.

Now, I don't know why you are latching onto the gamble point. Haku brought up that voting V is a gamble himself, even though it's just voting for an inactive. The only reason I could think of that it could be a gamble is if he's voting his partner. So I called him out. He didn't give me a very good response.

Andy on the other hand has way too many weird posts to let alone. I've covered Andy pretty intensely already and would expect you to already be familiar with why I think he's scum, but you defend him largely on the grounds that it looks like I'm picking on the new guy. I could give you this as a fair enough point (picking on the new guy can be kind of a dick move) except that I bet you can't defend what Andy's actually been posting

Go ahead, quote and explain some of his posts today. Start with the cointoss and work your way up. Defend that shit.

Assuming you can't (I don't believe you can any better then Andy already has) then you're going to have to realize that when you play TWG that bad you deserve to get called the fuck out. If me calling people out makes me scummy in your eyes then you probably should redefine what "scum" means to yourself.

As for AA dying, I legit have never been in or even read a game where that was a thing. I in no situation thought people could die in the middle of the day and it was really fucking jarring.

10) Hakulyte - Null because I can't read you. Initially I town read you but your most recent interactions and posts have been kinda awkward in my opinion. One thing sticking out to me being the Pazzaz thing, but I could understand why you might perceive the roll to be potentially scum.

Why did you read him town in the beginning again?

15) Andy-o24 - Was town for d0, then now he's posting kinda strangely, such as the WIFOM post #1169. However, through his and MML's interactions I don't think it's w/w and it's more probable in my mind for mml to be the wolf.

You seriously think I am more scummy then Andy?

Again, you're welcome to defend him with more then "Lar picks on new guy" any minute you are ready to.

16) gold stinger - Town, I liked his reads list, nothing has made me change my initial belief of him being town.

Nothing has changed your belief because NoThING IS THERE HE STOPPED POSTING YOU IdIOT

19) _Zenith_ - Null. Haven't seen to much to decide yet.

Should totally check out the work Shado has since done. I think he makes a decent case on Zenith although up to this point I had him in my town pile.

Okay, Zenith and Haku, I've gone through every game Aryxi has ever played (thankfully he's a new player), hoping that you were right and that Aryxi would have a magic tell that would clear him, and therefore Haku, as town.

I ended up being disappointed, because there's nothing consistent in his responses that would justify your assertion that "He always uses the same manner, style, mannerisms, tone, and almost words when he's town-aligned and being attacked. It's such a bad tell and yet, it's been decisive so many times already for Aryxi that I'm able to say the slot (at that time because I have no idea what Haku is doing right now) was town-aligned."

Therefore, respectfully, I have to conclude that you were grossly exaggerating his "tell". Like I told Haku, the main similarity between this game and any of his town games is just the fact that he gave up and left after a push on him in both this game and the last game. When I said that to Haku, you said I was wrong about the "tell" and that I should have asked one of the two people who saw it. I Since you didn't respond to my request that you pull up where AA originally mentioned the "tell", I'm going to go find it now myself. I hope you weren't lying about AA, because if his version of the tell is the same as mine then you will have my vote for lying and putting words in his mouth.


List of Aryxi's responses to attacks:

Turbo 4 (aka Aryxi's first game):


Turbo 5:


Turbo 6:


Turbo 7:







This game:





He responds as differently as you could expect from the same person. Nothing in his "style" or "mannerisms" is identical. So much for that. On a different note, I never realized how little Aryxi posts in this games. Finding these was easier than I thought. If anyone wants to confirm that these were, in fact, his responses and that I'm not nitpicking or altering them at all, please simply click on the arrow next to the relevant quote and read the context.

Hella work on this, Shado.

Ball's in your court Zenith and Haku. You guys have a response? Because it looks like y'all don't have a leg to stand on to me.

There is one other possibility, though. Can a vanilla town player still have an item? It's worth noting that AA was an archer, and died via an arrow shot. I would argue it's possible that he was otherwise vanilla, but possessed a shot that somehow was reflected back at him, either by item or ability (I'm not familiar enough with FE to identify a cross-mechanic for this--a physical shield? A reflect spell?).

I have this nagging suspicion that AA would not have taken a shot at that time under those circumstances. Town AA would save the shot until he was really sure he could trust a large group, then out and try to have people agree who to kill.

I mean it's never come up but that's what I picture him wanting to do, having played with him in almost every game I've done.

I think the timing of the kill is super telling. For every suspect ask yourself "why now?"; there is no one AA should have felt he needed to kill right then that warranted him taking a shot and having it bounce back in his face.

I dont think the idea of a gunsmith is that far off... if I'm remembering correctly the gunsmith gives someone a gun and that person got to shoot someone ant any point in time. That means if we have a gunsmith claim we know that the person he gave the gun to is likely a woof. So here is my crazy plan. The gunsmith claims, we lynch the gunsmith after he tells us who the woof he gave the gun to is.

Btw this plan is probably overtly stupid in some way so you know.

No Gunsmith is going to want to claim after reading that you'll lynch him.....

If there's a gunsmith, please don't claim

What, does he continue to make fucking guns every phase?

....that'll fucking be a mess if so.

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

JUST SO THIS ISN'T MISSED

16) gold stinger - Town, I liked his reads list, nothing has made me change my initial belief of him being town.

DFR SAID THIS. THIS WAS A THING THAT WAS SAID.

I swear I have way too many strong scum reads now. I don't know who to fucking vote for.

[andy-o24]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

You gonna vote me or what, MML? This is getting silly.

-o24

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

Well, you did it Shadow, I don't understand where you're going anymore.

Put simply, he says you and Zenith are full of shit

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

1. Anything that counts as a day kill power could have killed AA.
2. Zenith's alignment (for me) is based on me assuming that his tell is true.

Feel free to push him tbh. I just have so many wolves vs town that having him as well here makes little sense.

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

You gonna vote me or what, MML? This is getting silly.

-o24

No seriously, you have anything to say about anything else I've said at all?

[andy-o24]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

I just want to see my name in lights~

-o24

[XelNya]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

Well that's interesting.

I'm catching up right now, was with the girlfriend / good friend all day.

[XelNya]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

That said I'm only on pg 59 so it'll be a bit.