We make better Charts than DDR! Quality Dancing pack.(Idea.)

[TC_Halogen]

DO IT. That song is amazing.

(I'm gonna judge your ass HARD on that song because it's one of my favorites. )

[dore]

sounds encouraging

I'm going to borrow some of Blurk's sync if that's alright... I'm too lazy to do it myself when there's already a perfect sync out there.

[leadafro]

Originally Posted by ~Zero~

Lead - Saber Wing: Omg the song is so epic. Too many jumps, weird freeze layering. Rejecting because the chart could be better and the song is epic so needs a chart to match

WTF? too many jumps? no.

Weird freeze layering? maybe...but no.

Rejected? no.

this song is fun O_O

Originally Posted by ~Zero~

Lead - Drop The Bomb: the jumps in the beginning like the ones at m9,10 are not really needed the beat songs exactly the same no need to accent them would be better as regular steps. M24 you seriously want us to do that one foot JERK. Then the rest of the song is just like streams would some of the streams should be broken up into triples. Your complaining about not having 9s so turn this into one.

I was making a hard chart for this.It is going to be a 9.

The jumps are for rhythm I didn't want to be overly technical and accent **** like you.There are different types of fials out there Zero.I don't step like you.remember Pad is different than keyboard.

Originally Posted by ~Zero~

/*/Lead - HDV: M22 would have been a great spot to accent some of those beat with crosses while other places where you put crosses where lack luster. M46 no mines YOUR GAY

Ok I can Accept this criticism.I can take another look at my cross patterns.

Originally Posted by ~Zero~

Lead - Meta Mano: First off those negatives will piss everyone off. Some times you increase bpm than add stop gimmicks other times you just add stops make up ur mine their like the same beat. Then other times you follow the voice instead of the bg beat that could have gimmicks that you stepped before in the beginning of the chart

not like -BPM? Not really. they are used as a gimmick so people can't score as easily on a song and people do like them.It provides a challenge.And Onnce again ZERO I don't step like you.Of course I mixed it up a bit with the vocals.I have to fix this file up.Been meaning to fix this for a lil while.

Originally Posted by ~Zero~

/*/Lead - Ready for War: Description Renard? M27 no indication of slow down. M53 wtf is that weird **** lol. OK THANKS FOR MAKING EVERY ****ING SPEED UP 1384 bpm because you don't need 1384 bpm on m62. Ending is gay.

Yet again this is a memorization chart.It is ment to be a gimmick just so people can't score good on their first try.

@ m64... O yea? Ending is not gay it is fun if you memorize it. Seriously stop complaining over stupid ****. I step it liek this so it has more replay value.

[Professor Raine]

Ouch. Tough luck lead.

[who_cares973]

Originally Posted by leadafro

Do ya?

Becuz On that last mario song thing you sent...your gimmick was off >_> by .04 ms

judging my ability to gimmick on one quick stop :O!

not cool >.>

[leadafro]

well it wasnt a good first impression >_> sorry.

Originally Posted by Professor Raine

Ouch. Tough luck lead.

Rofl...wut?

[who_cares973]

i'll pm you a song im working on to show you my gimmick abilities~

[Xiaounlimited]

Originally Posted by leadafro

a) WTF? too many jumps? no.
Weird freeze layering? maybe...but no.
Rejected? no.
this song is fun O_O

b) The jumps are for rhythm I didn't want to be overly technical and accent **** like you.There are different types of fials out there Zero.I don't step like you.remember Pad is different than keyboard.

c) Seriously stop complaining over stupid ****.

a) Unprofessionalism as pack leader. If I were to lead a pack, and someone told me my file was ****, I would review it and see if it's worthy of acceptance; not slap them with a "NO U". Granted, if majority opinion otherwise says "yes", then that's understandable. But the fact still stands - he's a judge. This is all opinion.

b) There are different types of files, but fact is, Zero makes VERY good pad files. He knows what he's talking about. He personally steps very technically, as do I. You may not, and that's fine, but you should have a very rigid degree of consistency. According to Zero, the song is the same throughout; therefore if you step something in the beginning with jumps, the entire song should mirror this (because randomly changing layering styles is retarded, seriously. You've no idea how much this pisses me off).

c) He is not complaining about stupid ****. He's a judge, and his job as judge is to pick out what he sees as inadequate or demanding of some revision. If he says something, there's a point to it. It's not stupid just because he's complaining about your file.

--

If you're going to be unprofessional/immature like this, I'd hate to see how the pack will go. Zero did a good job of judging ER IMHO, and that pack turned out amazingly well despite the small song selection.

Of course, I'd be glad to listen to counter-points on CC of your files. But frankly, your attitude while doing so doesn't exactly warrant any respect towards you.



On another note, I will be submitting a non-DDR song (it's a Touhou remix, surprise surprise) soon.

[~Zero~]

1) I judge to help this pack and not to demean anyone. I criticize a lot maybe even about stupid minor details, but still i am just telling you things i personally didn't like. By all means keep the chart in i personally wouldn't care, but if one person found some things to not like others might as well. My job is to try to get files that people will not be able to criticize that much.

2) Surprisingly i thought you would be able to take criticism a bit better. I know when someone rejects my files i get a bit pissed, but i still try to take into account their views. Example PiTS (all those in ER will remember this file) and i fixed this file and it was still rejected so i have to accept that fact.

3) I know everyone has different taste in file. Example Me vs Halogen, Halogen loves your drop the bomb and i personally hate it. I know everyone doesn't step like me, but if someone was to step more technical off course it would catch my interest a bit more. I do not reject just based of technicality, I reject because I know you can do better and i want to see improvements

4) You would be surprised how many players don't like gimmick charts that only go +1000 bpm. even if it is only for the sake of replay value. Also just because I said this, "First off those negatives will piss everyone off" doesn't mean I do not like them. Its the simple truth that it will piss them off. Don't take everything so negatively.

5) Thank you Xiao!

6) If you don't want me to judge tell me now I will happily stop.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by leadafro

WTF? too many jumps? no.

Weird freeze layering? maybe...but no.

Rejected? no.

this song is fun O_O




I was making a hard chart for this.It is going to be a 9.

The jumps are for rhythm I didn't want to be overly technical and accent **** like you.There are different types of fials out there Zero.I don't step like you.remember Pad is different than keyboard.



Ok I can Accept this criticism.I can take another look at my cross patterns.



not like -BPM? Not really. they are used as a gimmick so people can't score as easily on a song and people do like them.It provides a challenge.And Onnce again ZERO I don't step like you.Of course I mixed it up a bit with the vocals.I have to fix this file up.Been meaning to fix this for a lil while.


Yet again this is a memorization chart.It is ment to be a gimmick just so people can't score good on their first try.

@ m64... O yea? Ending is not gay it is fun if you memorize it. Seriously stop complaining over stupid ****. I step it liek this so it has more replay value.

WHOA, where did that COME from?

You have to learn to take criticism by the hand and use other people's judgment to make your charts the best, it's how being a step artist IS. If you can't conform yourself to as many views as possible, then there will always be that one view (take ~Zero~ in this example) who will not like your chart. And if THAT happens, then you aren't fulfilling your job as a step maker.

One more lash-out from you, and I'll step off the judging panel; I refuse to be in a panel where criticism can't be taken, because as the pack goes on, I'm gonna be more critical as more files come in; and if a lash-out happens to ME or any other judges, you can forget about having me.

[~Zero~]

I will be taking my leave from this pack as well please remove my charts.

[TC_Halogen]

Damn Lead...you just messed up big. You really did. You just lost one of FFR's best pad step artists. Not to mention ALL three judges from Ethereal Rising (Xiao, Me, ~Zero~) maintained a successful project. I don't think it is wise that you turn down their suggestions with an attitude, because whether you like it or not, Xiao and ~Zero~ can brew up a project in a heartbeat.

Oh, I'm also resigning from the project. I thought about it, and I think that taking a judge's criticism is one thing, but to shun them back and say that their style is a factor in how they judge is completely absurd. I'm not gonna stand for it. Sorry, Lead--but Zero ALSO told me how you made the pack simply to do something out of boredom.

THAT IS NOT HOW YOU START A PACK GODDAMN IT.

It takes PLANNING. Either way, I'm not gonna sit here and make a 10 minute speech on how I think what you did was absolutely stupid on your part. I'm sorry if my words hurt you, but get to know me and realize that I operate off of blunt honesty--if you don't like it, tough luck.

[leadafro]

>_> lol why is everyone so pissed off? I was making points. I wasn't shunning you zero, and I didn't mean to sound so harsh toward your opinions.

I would have liked a better review of saber wing other than "this is epic and it shuld have an epic chart, Rejected" because that's not really a review. I did take some critique so WTF are you guys talking about?Learn to take criticism?Halogen? I take all this Critique from you and all I have to say is "ok" because I could agree on some level with you.

Zero, I will take your charts out if you want.

@debit

first off Xiao has nothing to do with this project.O_O what?

And yeah I did make this pack simply out of boredom.I needed something constructive to do.Who doesn't make a pack out of boredom sometimes?I don't see what that has to do with anything.If you want to resign from this than its ok with me.
This pack will still be going on.

If you guys change your minds sometime, just let me know.

[ShadowDragon!]

sadness

[who_cares973]

i think this pack just died

[Oni-Paranoia]

Too many pad elitists, let the rebellion begin.

[travman301]

Oh my...

What happened over here?

[leadafro]

Rofl not dead.

But now I have a new name.

NeoGroove pad pack

Not my mini originals NeoGroove but A public Pack.

It's gonna be in a whole new thread so I can start clean.

[ShadowDragon!]

I'm not interested...anymore

I'll come back another TIME