TWG CLXXII - TWGood End!

[DaBackpack]

I don't think yesterday's lynch necessarily clears Haku btw

[DaBackpack]

manti, haku, and roundbox are top suspicions right now

[Charu]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

"rectify" is the wrong term, maybe "make amends for my mistakes" is better

Do you think the thunderdome was a T/T?

I don't like blind still because even though he was talking, he didn't really show why with clear reasoning on why he felt the way he did.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by Charu

Do you think the thunderdome was a T/T?

I don't like blind still because even though he was talking, he didn't really show why with clear reasoning on why he felt the way he did.

pretty sure it was t/t

[Charu]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

manti, haku, and roundbox are top suspicions right now

Well I mean, if you think that Haku vote last minute from shadow is meaningless, then...

I mean I agree with you because Haku was pretty much not doing anything during EoD and made some more disgusting posts.

Can't ignore flip information though, you think shadow would bus Haku right there? I don't think so due to wolves having no vanilla roles (except closest is informant, but even that's something wolves probably don't want to bus towards)

[TWG Ike]

Xelnya (4): DaBackpack, Blind, Charu, AragakiAyase
Haku (3): Manti, kirkfan, ShadoWolfe
Roundbox (1): the sun fan
Blind (2): Xelnya, TWG Ike
Manti (1): Haku
TWG Ike (1): inDheart
Mello (1): Shado

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by Charu

Well I mean, if you think that Haku vote last minute from shadow is meaningless, then...

I mean I agree with you because Haku was pretty much not doing anything during EoD and made some more disgusting posts.

Can't ignore flip information though, you think shadow would bus Haku right there? I don't think so due to wolves having no vanilla roles (except closest is informant, but even that's something wolves probably don't want to bus towards)

that's fair but I don't want to entirely rule it out

consider that wolves didn't want to be on a town flip, so they piled their votes on somebody who probably wasn't gonna get lynched there

which may or may not be an actual partner

[DaBackpack]

that said, I have a bad gut feeling on manti and roundbox right now

[TWG Ike]

oh asmo is incorrectly listed on two people in that EoD votecount

thoughts on shado switching off mellon onto haku for EoD? that seems like a genuine push to get haku lynched though xelnya being town makes that a tenuous connection

i think it's slightly more mellon-scum indicative, in that asmo distanced from mellon in typical "gonna vote my partner a bit but switch to a town wagon when it matters" fashion

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

Xelnya (4): DaBackpack, Blind, Charu, AragakiAyase
Haku (3): Manti, kirkfan, ShadoWolfe
Roundbox (1): the sun fan
Blind (2): Xelnya, TWG Ike
Manti (1): Haku
TWG Ike (1): inDheart
Mello (1): Shado

I think the xel wagon is pure actually

[TWG Ike]

my gut is that there's a scum on the xelnya votes cause i always have a difficulty reconciling scum got "so lucky" as to have only-villagers voting another winning villager wagon

3/4 on it are my TRs tho so ???????

like for me, i'm either bad at TRing someone, it's blind, or that wagon really was all town-on-town hatecrime

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

oh asmo is incorrectly listed on two people in that EoD votecount

thoughts on shado switching off mellon onto haku for EoD? that seems like a genuine push to get haku lynched though xelnya being town makes that a tenuous connection

i think it's slightly more mellon-scum indicative, in that asmo distanced from mellon in typical "gonna vote my partner a bit but switch to a town wagon when it matters" fashion

this is a very strange vote switch yeah

from my experience wolves don't want to end up "as the last voters" on a town lynch, so usuallly they place votes that don't matter, or try to be "somewhere in the middle" of a town push

[DaBackpack]

Charu, can you explain your vote on Xel yesterday? You placed your trust in me but I don't recall what yor mindset was at the time

[Hakulyte]

Oh that's why ShadoWolfe was so friendly with me during most of D0, okay.

[TWG Ike]

Not Voting (2): Roundbox, Mello

if the xelnya wagon is all town 1 of these 2 is scum imo

[TWG Ike]

reason being that if scum do see 2 town on town hatecrimes forming (xelnya and blind wagons) they just sit back and let it happen

idr how far out from deadline roundbox and mellon last had their posts tohugh, if they totally missed EoD that makes this a lot less strong of a read

[DaBackpack]

Dark Contracter - Game of Death:
During the night, you may name one player. If that player dies the next day and your vote on the End of Day votecount was on them, you are investigative immune the next night. If your vote on the End of Day votecount is on that player the next day and they do not die, the following night any killing action that targets you is redirected at them instead. Each of these abilities can only trigger once per game.

this might also have something to do with it??

it's going to be hard about that last minute vote switch with so many variables

[Charu]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Charu, can you explain your vote on Xel yesterday? You placed your trust in me but I don't recall what yor mindset was at the time

Yeah, didn't I mention why?

I said at least blind was talking and Xel peaced out without defending or giving any more reasons to vote for "blind", so...

I gambled and trusted you. Usually I feel when players, regardless of Xel's exaggerated rage, want to actually LIVE that they're something that can help town.

[Hakulyte]

That's kind of funny that Shado left a read list before going rip, we might be able to find something here.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

InD - Town.

Charu - Probably town. He's shitposted a bit more than I remember being normal, but the periods where he focuses in and shares reads or suspects something is what I've come to expect from town!Charu. His obtuseness in the Xel thing seemed genuine, despite how tilting it was. What I liked most was #338, where his shitposts were interrupted a brief moment where he shared his thoughts and then told sunfan that he was watching him. I'll have to reassess tomorrow, but I'm not lynching him today.

DBP - town-lean. He's been pushing and solving this phase, and is generally looking like Detective Backpack. Want to see him follow the same trajectory tomorrow, but I'm liking the mindset he takes in calling people out, and the one he took in the Xel/Charu/Yeti interaction where he figured out where Xel was coming from but didn't want to respond for fear of spoiling Xel.

Xel - Slight townlean. I seem to be the only one who likes his anger and emotional responses, but it is what it is. Seems to be frustrated for townier reasons than not, but I'll elaborate at a different time.


AA - Null-slight town. Seems good so far. Like his interactions with sunfan early on when sunfan was talking about inD and mindmelds. Nothing out of his scumrange though so he's here for now.

Blindreper - Frustrated town. Just a feeling no time to elaborate.

Haku - Null, slight scum. He seemed better earlier on (except for the post where he said he was going to sleep instead of shitposting. he later said that post was a shitpost tho so rip), but the more I read the more I noticed a distinct lack of the usual paranoia and tinfoiling I expect from Haku. Posts like #1174, #1116, and #1120, reassure me a bit, but I feel like town!Haku doesn't go through D0 without pushing forward these insane theories and constantly tinfoiling everything.

kirkfan2255 - Null. She's been different than what I remember her in Game 7. She had the balls of steel to commit to her reads and vote first on F3 in the tournament game, and I don't see that here. It's D0 though, and she replaced into Champs G7 really late, so I'm willing to give her time.

Roundbox - Totes Null. Don't remember him doing anything and don't have time to look it up.

Manti - Null, slight scum. Seems off at times and a bit overmechanical. He's made a lot of posts about how much other people are posting, but his own analyses, while seeming to want to dive into mindset, feel lacking.

sunfan - Null, slight scum. 10:57 no time

Yeti - Slight scumlean. Playing super differently than expected. No time.

Raeko (mellon) - Scum lean. Can't see a solving mindset behind any of her posts. #690 was her readslist and she basically gave townreads to a bunch of people and declared everyone else null. Also this is an old read but she's the queen of UTR when she's scum or third-party, and that's exactly the sort of play I've seen from her today. The one redeeming post where I get a hint of solving was when she said trying to get the alien to claim was more scum than not (about sunfan). I don't really agree with that conclusion, but I can see where she's coming from.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by TWG Ike

reason being that if scum do see 2 town on town hatecrimes forming (xelnya and blind wagons) they just sit back and let it happen

idr how far out from deadline roundbox and mellon last had their posts tohugh, if they totally missed EoD that makes this a lot less strong of a read

Well, in the thread, roundbox specifically said he's doing wedding stuff and mentioned mellon was driving back home.

I can verify this because mellon was chilling out at roundbox's house for a month. (And mellon lives pretty far from roundbox) I mean, it's not really "verifiable", but please believe me

So, that's why I pardoned them from any type of lynching for me personally. I think reading them scummy for not being there due to their circumstances is incorrect.