TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

[storn42]

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Ok guys, I'm alive! My role kind of kept me from posting the first day, sorry for not being part of it, I'll post a long post with my thoughts later today.

Assuming this is true. That means you have been able to read the thread. And surely by now you have a reads list you can post, or something of that idea.

[TWG Ike]

Re: TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

lets see how well this thing is working...

[TWG Ike]

Vote Count

Votes from post 1102 to post 1231
Night in 31:30:50
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 1 -- Tokzic -- storn42 (6)
• 1 -- danceflashrevo -- AragakiAyase (29)
• 16 -- not voting -- _Zenith_ (19), andy-o24 (3), danceflashrevo (1), gold stinger (0), Hakulyte (3), inDheart (5), MixMasterLar (19), Pazzaz (5), Precarious (0), roundbox (2), ShadoWolfe (25), Tokzic (0), Vendetta21 (0), Wineandbread (1), XelNya (1), YoshL (9)

[AragakiAyase]

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Where is everybody? So many people with single digit posts this phase

[AragakiAyase]

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I periodically refresh to try to keep up with the thread on this tab, while reading from the beginning on another. There's no way I'll catch up to the thread by EoD, but I am here.

also worth noting that precarious said this and then nothing lol

[AragakiAyase]

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I feel like a lot of my posts lately are activity related but

[Wineandbread]

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For now, we can assume AA is not part of the scum team (based Pazzaz). If we find there are two scum teams then we need to throw this out of the window.
After sleeping on it, MML is probably town?

I should bring this up now since I guess I'm not sure about double wolf faction mechanics. This would mean each team has their own kill power right? Would they kill each other/are they aware of the other team?

[Wineandbread]

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I feel like a lot of my posts lately are activity related but

That TWG Ike guy seems pretty fishy

I think Pazzaz, ind get some passes considering one replaced and the other "couldn't speak d0". I would definitely like Precarious to say something since he's said he would, and Aryxi too. I'd also like to see Tokzic's response to what storn has to say because I had a similar feeling when he "strongly gutread" him but still decided to vote Xel anyway d0

Anyone have a V summoning ritual?

[Wineandbread]

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Zenith's string of posts pg 60 are promising for activity. Still a bit defensive about his d0 which is nothing surprising at this point. But if you're gonna call out fluff posts, maybe don't post your own fluff posts.

It seems merely observational and not analytical. I'd like some thoughts from him about the Pazzaz development when he comes back.

[inDheart]

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ok i wanna make it to at least page 10 before i have to go

well i said "freezin happens" but that's probably preemptive given how much there is left to go, it's just the post i left off on isn't his greatest

freezin votes AA and that vote does definitely seem like nagl to me, so let's see what people think

#492 & #493 AA doesn't like, understandably. in general there seem to be people in this game who take issue with others' pushes at all, but pushes are what move games, you know?
#495 dfr doesn't like the whole wagon
#497 shado doesn't like, and again is coming off like my high school coaches as everyone's superfriend or something

then #504 just serves to emphasize AA's point lol

charu picks up the trail at #508 after a bit of ambivalence
#513 AA restates a fuller case
AA's #515 & #521 actually strikes me as reminiscent of the CLIX tone wars where freezin was town though... and of course freezin eats that up in #519 heh

oh then this ends in #540. AA looked good going through here but then this feels a little fast to turn away? charu noticed, think that's towny from charu

#544 is an all right MML post if not remarkably groundbreaking, but i wouldn't call dfr's reasons for saying gs is town illegitimate. you quoted them dude, they're there, what you want is evidence. can add MML to the pile of people coming out of the argument above on AA's side though. the amount of support for AA, and comparative lack thereof for freezin, could have wolves just choosing the right side, is what i wanna get at, though AA's base also includes some pretty towny people

#548 you nkow AA's been really good about reminding us that inactives exist, but it's getting to the point where they're least resistance to push for continuing to not show up - like all the actives have to be just towny enough for this to stand up for him. meta read in #550 is good for why juck out of the possible candidates is his top one though.

noting at #562 that roundbox has popped in (right after AA prods??) and voted xel, gonna watch for explanation
i also like how all of us who read/were in the hydra game are still marked by that stupid ending, heh

#568 gs back with a decent post, and what's unique about it is he's the first to really pursue a freezin lead with a vote following AA even though by this point AA's considering flipping that around. he must think there's still something worth seeing there. gs/AA not w/w

#575 oh ok here's a xel reaction already to box voting him. that said is xel an "easy" mislynch by this point especially now that he's in content mode? i would disagree

kayla -> prec i don't even remember kayla posting so nothing to say about her slot besides low content

#583

aryxi -> haku oh boy, going from a scummish read to someone who's all over the place, exciting

#596 box still riding ~reasons~? i mean usually we can see the results of box's work before he votes people so this is somewhat of a switch up from what i understand as his typical game. granted though there is time left in the day, but this and the following exchange seem dodgier than usual, and it doesn't look like MML is just missing something. i mean, if he has, i have too, same with AA in #611 etc

#609 i saw some lyncher talk zooming through today and wanted to mark this as i think it's actually the first mention of lyncher i've seen by anyone. knowing what we know at least it seems a reaosnable speculation

#619 box also has a different stated take on lynching inactives, than most others who have weighed in, but this might be just because he has a scum read in the actives

#629 haku commenting on who he's replacing in on just seems a little tone deaf to me because that kind of deja vu thing he's reiterating has already been disregarded, i would say. he feels the need to self pres or something when shado has just corrected me in the present day about how like he's the only one to make a case on aryxi and one of few to scum read him? haku's usually pretty out there the way i see him and this seems rather focused from the start, but i could be focusing too much on his play in the game that had to get rerolled where we both practically exhaled shitposts that whole day

#645 guh. by this point i think it's been dragged out to the point of ridiculousness

also by this point i have started drinking so we'll see how this goes

#670 lol resetting haku's slot and scum reading it again in the same post

anything to see in freezin's reads in that big post about wolf universals or something that has gamefaqs tags for some reason? wolf reads are storn, gs, maybe zenith for "bad stuff"? but then goes to say inactives should go instead...huh

roundbox calls the post nice, huuuh

#678 by this opint i'm pretty sure xel has directly addressed box 3x and not gotten anything satisfying out of the dude

kind of ignoring shado's drunk posts otherwise but i remember in other games he's readlily kept us updated with his life

#700 oh hey V's here and he has a vocabulary lesson for us - thing is in the game(s?) i've been in with dfr i think he's had a tendency to be more self-absorbed tbh, especially when people want to pressure him. agree with #701 that AA has been town though or at least been able to fly solo

ok acutally MML posts are reading better to me now whaa

V agrees with box but actually gives a reason so there, i remember box and andy clashing on reasons so maybe this would be ok for box? maybe AA agrees as well? starting to feel like it's a meta thing i didn't pick up on

sotrn comes back to basically do self pres but also points at freezin, ok

no surprise in AA's reads really, besides that seems to answer my question about how people are seeing xel - that one reaction post to box's vote. idk it actually feels in character for him to me? i remember him getting bent out of hsape by what seemed to be small things in games before, most of which i remember from twgabout, and though he was a wolf in that game he fooled like everyone

#710 this is one tendency i've seen from yoshl as well, to be mindful of the arguments people could make/are not making against him, so he's in character with himself for that (reiterated in 715 as well)

wow AA is like the inactive enforcer the way it rereads now but i'm guessing he is seeing people in the viewing list and pinging them that way

charu's another one susp of box, but then the logic lands in the next post it looks like:
#727 okay yeah it was a meta argument i didn't see. now the thing with your reticence is like, wihtout really stating what you might expect to see as you didn't here, a reaction test can technically yield anything you can parse into being scummy as you shift expectations. i feel like it would be an excuse to remain in a tunnel, in waiting that long, and that might be what you're doing given we don't have any recent insights into other thoughts you might have.

#728 precarious way behind and congrats you're the third person to not read the player list and also miss posts like there's no marth (i was pretty sure that was pointed out on the same page, maybe not that tokzic knows though)

#735 yet another person, wab, coming in with another take on xel, which is he's scum for shitposting? no vote though but he's admittedly not caught up

#739 so i guess one question i have about this anon game is: was it recognizable that xel was pikachu during the game? that's something to research

#742 thus far i don't think i've seen haku scum read anyone besides maaaybe shado, and saying freez is "projecting wolf" is silly

#766 ok no. i don't like seeing people try to ride their meta. show us why, in this game, right now, that lynching you is a bad idea

#806 so here's haku with an original thing on freezin and how his game is not like CLIX: his reads aren't like his known town game, even though it's been said his tone is. +1 because it's probably easy to scumread freezin by now but hard to do from a new perspective. the one thing devaluing this is that post in CLIX was literally last minute but this still has merit.

k i'm just glazing over the posts now so i'm gonna stop for now, just not too much struck me as i went through the first part of page 11 but also beverage

[MixMasterLar]

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Ok, I've been thinking about the consequences of what I'm about to say, I hope this provides clarity. I thought about keeping this a secret but I will have to say this before the EOD incase I die so here's the truth.
I couldn't speak D0 but instead I received the ability to switch the positions of two people at the beginning of N1. I switched AragakiAyase and Charu. This is why several people reacted weird, they thought AA was gonna die or atleast not that Charu was gonna die. So if I die as town, AA is confirmed town (or the wolves tried to kill one of their own lol).

TL;DR AragakiAyase IS CONFIRMED TOWN FOR ME

From now on I'm normal townie and will be scumhunting. I'll post my thoughts about everyone later.

Super late and super predictable, but I believe Pazzaz. For one, that possible angleshooting quip I had ahem, that gut feeling is 100% explained, and the Charu kill makes hella sense now.

And it isn't like he cleared my top scum. I don't see a reason not to take him at his word.

Alright so I have no idea when these phases start and end so don't mind me.

Just read what I missed from EoD post, going to catch up just from there for now and try to do some isolations later if I have the dedication to sit through it all.

You can do it

I don't really follow

if you pick a townie and a scum, and the townie is targeted but the scum ends up dying, don't you get a similar result of the townie being pseudo confirmed? I think your claim is believable but just trying to make sense of this

I think Pazzaz answered this, but I took it as he didn't have a strong scumlean to do this with.

Which I want to point out, is garbage btw. I buy you're probably town but you should have been reading the thread and you should have been keeping up with your own list. I'm thankful for clearing a town that most of us cleared already but unless you seriously thought Charu was scum there was work you could have accomplished to have made this situation better.

My comments in bold above.

That first line of logic goes no where and is offset by Pazzaz's claim anyway.

K E K

Did you see my response to Shado regarding this? It was so good he pretended to have not even seen it!

Lyncher eh? Well that's funny cus i was thinking the same thing.

I'd like to talk about tokzic. He seems to fit that inactive thing you're going for with only 23 posts., and more importantly I'd like to talk about his vote on me. Ifor you read back to it, it actually feels quite forced. He just "has a strong gut read" on how woofy I'm being. I can see this being a world where he rolled lyncher and me the lynched, or even simply him being a woof and trying to fake reads on people like me. But even so as he has this strong read on me in the end he goes and votes for xel. He jumps on that wagon for seemingly no reason despite his read on me.

Tokzic has 23 post? Could have fooled me.
I have too many scumleans to feel that going after Tokzic right now is worth the effort, but I can't defend him by any means.

Well if I didn't respond I would seem pretty suspicious and if I for some reason became a target at EOD my explanation would seem pretty weak if I said it then. If I got hanged, me saying AA is safe wouldn't really have an impact as the wolfs would probably kill him.

Good thinking on Paz's part. Post seems pure. I'm pretty ok with removing him from the table.

hakulyte is doing actual thinking about the setup, which i really like

A nonshitposting Haku is probably a scum Haku, though. Unless you disagree.
I want to disagree, I really really do want to believe he's drastically changing his meta after Turbo 7 and trying.

But eh

I just can't see it.

Assuming this is true. That means you have been able to read the thread. And surely by now you have a reads list you can post, or something of that idea.

Right?

Funny this is coming from Storn though

Where is everybody? So many people with single digit posts this phase

I overslept and then had to go to the store to get some meats. Got me some Polish Sausage, porkschops and hamburger. Also a case of Jones Soda.

I'll probably be in the thread on and off all night though.

I feel like a lot of my posts lately are activity related but

See I promised myself I wouldn't use post theory and shit like this makes me glad I haven't been keeping up with it.

So many people under the fucking hostwould rip about the anus of Commentrics so bad

#544 is an all right MML post if not remarkably groundbreaking, but i wouldn't call dfr's reasons for saying gs is town illegitimate. you quoted them dude, they're there, what you want is evidence. can add MML to the pile of people coming out of the argument above on AA's side though. the amount of support for AA, and comparative lack thereof for freezin, could have wolves just choosing the right side, is what i wanna get at, though AA's base also includes some pretty towny people

1: Those reasons where pisspoor moldy excuses. I won't accept them and they are all the more weaker now that DFR never truly defended them and Gold Stinger has pretty much disappeared (barring I missed him)

2: Yeah AA pointed that out. As legit as that reasoning is, Freezin wasn't helping his case.

[MixMasterLar]

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NO ONE SEEMS TO THINK ANDY IS A LITTLE SUSPICIOUS?

....alright then

[AragakiAyase]

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NO ONE SEEMS TO THINK ANDY IS A LITTLE SUSPICIOUS?

....alright then

idk, he lost his townread for me with the whole coinflip thing and how he seems to not really care about why people say it's bad. sitting at null atm

also indheart the reason I'm the inactive enforcer this game is because I've realized (finally) that more often than not, wolves sit in the inactive players because it's difficult to be comfortable posting a lot as a wolf

also if I look at the more active players, I don't have a solid scumlean on any of them

I think MML/yoshl are pretty towny
xel semi cleared himself with post 1092 or something, where he said to lynch him instead of freezing
shadowolfe I *thought* was scummy, now I'm kind of null on him, wouldn't lynch today though

and now is where it gets murky, dfr has not done anything this game that makes me townread him
roundbox had his push on xel which seemed fine, if annoying because he took forever to make a concrete case, but I'm also not particularly townreading him
storn/gs I actually have townleans on, storn moreso than gs

then there's zenith/andy who are null, and the clusterfuck of inactives who I think have at least 2 scum

I'm hesitant to meta juckter's slot off of inactivity because of wineandbread, and wnb's content has seemed ok to me. pazzaz I also believe, I think he's more likely town than not, but this read depends a lot on whether or not he follows through with the large post with thoughts that he promised and what it contains

I'm not feeling good about precarious, V is null, I actually think haku is scummy (will have to go back and dig more), and I'd like to see more definitive conclusions from indheart when he manages to finish catching up

so tldr

the top actives seem towny-null for me (really just shado who is null), and the inactives are a lot of ???/scum

which is why I KEEP pushing them but it's hard when nothing seems to gain traction

[AragakiAyase]

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MML is your vote still on pazzaz? join me on dfr, he needs more pressure

[ShadoWolfe]

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Tokzic has 23 post? Could have fooled me.
I have too many scumleans to feel that going after Tokzic right now is worth the effort, but I can't defend him by any means.

You have too many scumleans? This is good news, 'cause I'm starting to get frustrated at how few I have, despite (attempts at) isolating you and Tokzic and gold stinger and roundbox. I was about to ISO yoshl but got sidetracked off his profile and started playing all the songs he had stepped. Most of them destroyed me, but I won't use that to vote him.

Onky notable thing from ISOing is that tokzic is weird as hell. Point is, I've got way too many town/nulls and almost no solid scumreads.

Aside from Haku, who else are you scumleaning?