TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

[TWG Mad Dummy]

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

This game just has pages and pages of people who are already dead talking to each other. It wasn't too bad to catch up compared to other games I've played actually. I’m going to look into what each player were saying but for now I’m going to focus on people who are still alive

Scum leans:

Precarious - Scum lean. The way that he has been absent doesn’t look good but the low effort posts he has been making look worse. This post in particular

Seems particularly out of character for him.

In the last game we played together, he was quite adamant about using more than just gut instinct in reads. His posts also generally seemed very well thought out and he gave off majorly town vibes immediately. He was thinking hard about the game and his scum-hunting instinct was clear.

This game seems like the complete opposite from him. It seems like he is putting in the lowest amount of effort possible and trying to blend into the background. His posts seem a lot less thought out. In the posts he does have, it seems like he is not scum-hunting in this game

Andy - The whole way that his claim happened and basically everything he said was super fucking sketchy. Shadow was the one to bring up the fact that he had a knife before Andy did so I’m not sure how that clears him? Maybe I need to re-read this interaction but to me it looks hella wolfy. It seems like he is trying to play the dumb card which can be a very good winning strategy. It’s not angle-shooting to acknowledge that the way he is speaking is extremely suspect and seems like an intentional distraction

Town leans:

Shadow, Xel and indheart. I originally pegged Xel as potential scum after reading just a bit of last phase but after reading most of the game he seems like townish Xel to me. Roundbox has a slight town read but seems like he is putting in minimal effort

????????

Tokzic - I didn’t like his opening post and the way he just voted for Storn off of a gut read. This seems like he just wanted to get a vote out there to avoid suspicion from not voting, without any actual reasoning behind it. This would not be super suspicious on Day 1 normally but it was weird because he popped in and did that but didn’t come back until EOD. And he’s been largely absent ever since. However this doesn’t seem too out of character for Tokzic

Wineandbread - I like his reads generally and he seems to have good logic. But I just haven’t seen him posting enough to get a good idea of where he stands in the game

Gold stinger - I kept forgetting about him when doing my reading which doesn’t give me a good feeling.


This post is kind of fair but also kind of what??? Seems like an excuse to just ride along until the end of the game without putting effort in

V where the hell are you, seriously

I know I forgot a few people. my reads and thread-read is not 100% complete but I have to get going now just wanted to post this. There are definitely wolves in my ??????/inactive category.

REREAD THAT TOKZIC READ

and try and tell me that its not W/W.

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by TWG Mad Dummy

REREAD THAT TOKZIC READ

and try and tell me that its not W/W.

it is highly suspicious
my only ??? comes from information that you wouldn't have
tokzic+mellonxcollie are friends and communication between them would be easy, I imagine she would encourage tokzic to post a bit more in this situation now that we know he's red

[TWG Mad Dummy]

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

This game just has pages and pages of people who are already dead talking to each other. It wasn't too bad to catch up compared to other games I've played actually. I’m going to look into what each player were saying but for now I’m going to focus on people who are still alive

Scum leans:

Precarious - Scum lean. The way that he has been absent doesn’t look good but the low effort posts he has been making look worse. This post in particular

Seems particularly out of character for him.

In the last game we played together, he was quite adamant about using more than just gut instinct in reads. His posts also generally seemed very well thought out and he gave off majorly town vibes immediately. He was thinking hard about the game and his scum-hunting instinct was clear.

This game seems like the complete opposite from him. It seems like he is putting in the lowest amount of effort possible and trying to blend into the background. His posts seem a lot less thought out. In the posts he does have, it seems like he is not scum-hunting in this game

Andy - The whole way that his claim happened and basically everything he said was super fucking sketchy. Shadow was the one to bring up the fact that he had a knife before Andy did so I’m not sure how that clears him? Maybe I need to re-read this interaction but to me it looks hella wolfy. It seems like he is trying to play the dumb card which can be a very good winning strategy. It’s not angle-shooting to acknowledge that the way he is speaking is extremely suspect and seems like an intentional distraction

Town leans:

Shadow, Xel and indheart. I originally pegged Xel as potential scum after reading just a bit of last phase but after reading most of the game he seems like townish Xel to me. Roundbox has a slight town read but seems like he is putting in minimal effort

????????

Tokzic - I didn’t like his opening post and the way he just voted for Storn off of a gut read. This seems like he just wanted to get a vote out there to avoid suspicion from not voting, without any actual reasoning behind it. This would not be super suspicious on Day 1 normally but it was weird because he popped in and did that but didn’t come back until EOD. And he’s been largely absent ever since. However this doesn’t seem too out of character for Tokzic

Wineandbread - I like his reads generally and he seems to have good logic. But I just haven’t seen him posting enough to get a good idea of where he stands in the game

Gold stinger - I kept forgetting about him when doing my reading which doesn’t give me a good feeling.


This post is kind of fair but also kind of what??? Seems like an excuse to just ride along until the end of the game without putting effort in

V where the hell are you, seriously

I know I forgot a few people. my reads and thread-read is not 100% complete but I have to get going now just wanted to post this. There are definitely wolves in my ??????/inactive category.

these are her reads.

she has NO explanation at all for her town reads (and never gave any even after I called her out on it)

and her read on tokzic seems like she had tmi that he was a wolf, cause all of the bold is negative, and then that last blue statement was enough for her to not put him in the wolf pile?

meeeeeh

(i've harped on all of this at length if you want to iso me, i'm not gonna go through it all again for the 4th time)

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

????????

Tokzic - I didn’t like his opening post and the way he just voted for Storn off of a gut read. This seems like he just wanted to get a vote out there to avoid suspicion from not voting, without any actual reasoning behind it. This would not be super suspicious on Day 1 normally but it was weird because he popped in and did that but didn’t come back until EOD. And he’s been largely absent ever since. However this doesn’t seem too out of character for Tokzic

Wineandbread
Gold stinger
V
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I know I forgot a few people. my reads and thread-read is not 100% complete but I have to get going now just wanted to post this. There are definitely wolves in my ??????/inactive category.

Deleted reads on wabby and down just to focus the content. She says she believes there are DEFINITELY wolves in her inactive category.

However...

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

The second I gave to Tokzic but he died before he used it. I gave it to him because I wanted to try to engage him in the game more and get a better read on him. He didn’t even post the phase after I gave it to him so whomp whomp I guess that worked out anyway since he was a wolf

lol
"You've done some weird stuff, but it's kinda you, but at the same time you're probably a wolf. I think I'll send you a gun though, no problem."

[ShadoWolfe]

Good hot post @mellon, especially sections on Precarious and Andy. I obviously disagree with your conclusion on Andy, but those are valid points. I had even thought that I should've asked him who he had gifted that phase before outting my knife, but I had already hit send on my knifeclaim. I don't think it's terribly important, though, because it was clear that I was going to pressure him on nonexistent items this phase, so his gift makes sense to me.

[Wineandbread]

gs's reaction to andy's post seems a bit extreme to me, blown way out of proportion.

I looked back on Precarious's posts and there's really not many. I can buy that he's busy but the posts that he did put up didn't really say much. He's not really looking for reds and puts up a bunch of half-this, half-that. (I might be guilty of the latter too though lel)

Going to keep a vote on Precarious until he responds

I liked mellon's latest post and that she's challenging the status quo of andy's "lock-clear". Town lean for now.

I don't have much of an opinion on knight for now.

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For DFR's posts, he very early on reads gs as town from the one good he made prior to this comment. It's suspect but I actually did like gs's post (#301 for reference). I think he overly defends him, probably attempting a pocket

Of else to note is that he expresses his opinion of Wolfe as town (#601), but switches in (#1327). GS stayed the same, doesn't change for the entirety of his posting lifetime.

As storn mentioned, he votes MML at eod. He expressed his interest in voting for him but it would be easier for him to self pres by switching to mellon or andy. He said he wouldn't vote andy, and gave mellon the benefit of the doubt for subbing in. I think given what he said, if he voted for either of them and lived to the next day, it would look extremely hypocritical of him and he'd get grilled to oblivion if he got iso'd. So the fact that he defends/doesn't vote on andy and mellon are not indicative of their alignment, in my opinion.


That's all from me for now folks

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Wineandbread

As storn mentioned, he votes MML at eod. He expressed his interest in voting for him but it would be easier for him to self pres by switching to mellon or andy. He said he wouldn't vote andy, and gave mellon the benefit of the doubt for subbing in. I think given what he said, if he voted for either of them and lived to the next day, it would look extremely hypocritical of him and he'd get grilled to oblivion if he got iso'd. So the fact that he defends/doesn't vote on andy and mellon are not indicative of their alignment, in my opinion.


That's all from me for now folks

I like Wabbys post here in that he said that DFR's vote on MML instead of an easy self pres on andy or mellon is not indicative of their alignment. It'd be really easy for a wolf to push on andy based "I'm not for voting for andy", and wabby doesnt do that.
Of course, it's possible this was his intention, but I'm inclined to think he was genuine.

[Wineandbread]

Oh in case it wasn't explicit in the above, I'm still a bit spooked on why dfr defended specifically gs so adamantly

[andy-o24]

The R.E. Aryxi/Hakulyte/theknightsofneeee slot is pretty interesting.

405 ShadoWolfe calls him out on lackluster reads and general inconsistencies. I can agree with this analysis, and definitely see a scum lean based on R.E's play. 409 was also interesting as this promise never materialized and this was his last post in the thread. He was replaced with Hakulyte in time for the first EOD. Not keeping his promise is a bit fishy, but alignment indicative especially as he was later replaced? I'll keep the scum lean from ShadoWolfe's previous analysis.

629 Haku defends against ShadoWolfe's original push on R.E. saying he doesn't know where R.E. was going with his reads. It would seem from this that replacements do not get to interact with whomever they are replacing, and that is probably a good thing. I mention that for my own reference, more than anything. This is an attempt to wipe the slate clean from anything R.E. did so Haku can focus on his game instead of trying to justify R.E.'s play. Smart from Haku, but I think slot indicative reads from before the replacement are always still relevant. Still a scum lean.

635 he uses the phrase "the others" interestingly. I would assume the way to interpret "the others" is "the other townsfolk" but I would much rather have seen him say that explicitly. That's all I wanted to analyze from that post, the rest seems like him being aware of the playstyle of the player whose slot he is filling.

758 I had pulled out of his posts, I think mostly because of AA's ideas moreso than Haku's themselves. The trying to push a town read on someone else is a little weird. But Haku's admission that Freezin flipping red would mean a lynch of Haku leans him back away from scum. To less scum, but still scum because of R.E.'s play.

1165 here again we see some weird phrasing with "you guys" instead of including himself in his reference to the town. I understand he's on vacation or whatever and doesn't necessarily have the time to commit to the game, but it still feels like if he were truly town, even if he couldn't participate, he would include himself. If nothing else, just to be a little safer.

1268 was after the AA kill (which we didn't know at the time, but was we assume from DFR). Instead of a Haku post, we have ShadoWolfe again bringing up Haku's meta. "Analytical wolf, shitpost town" From the evidence available, Haku is posting analytically, which if this meta is true, would mean he is scum.

1273 I'm honestly not entirely sure what Haku is saying here. Some pronoun game going on, but Shado kinda blew up the tell that Zenith posted about shortly after this post by Haku.

1297 I don't really know a good spot to put this, but I think it's an interesting post. The very end of it is relevant to Haku, here. The immediate jump to gunsmith role (which we now know is wrong if I'm understanding gunsmith) was a little fishy. I don't think that necessarily indicates scum, but I don't think it really helps a town case.

1310 Haku takes on MML about being read scummy for the shot on AA. I think most notable is Haku saying "I'm definitely constantly worth revisiting at any phase of the game." However, this is in response to the claim that he shot AA. We can assume with a great deal of certainty that dfr shot AA and that clears Haku from that possibility, but the last thing he says is the kicker here. Haku doesn't know how else to express his game other than what MML reads as "A wolf who hasn't read the thread." That is not an admission, but I don't think it bodes well for Haku trying to sell himself as town.

These two posts 1340 and 1346 seem to suggest Haku defending Zenith, even after ShadoWolfe called out Zenith's claim about the R.E. tell. I still have Zenith (mellon now) pinned as scum, so Haku trying to defend a scum read is a scummy thing in my book. More scum evidence for Haku's slot.

1367 includes Haku's "so many wolves vs towns" as referenced in this post by ShadoWolfe. To ShadoWolfe's post, though, I don't recall Zenith ever answering those questions he listed, so I would like to see melon try to answer them if possible since she assumed Zenith's slot.

Nothing to say on Knights at this point, but I think I gathered some decent Haku stuff for analysis. Please use this as a springboard for further discussion. The layout is a little ass, but I think the content is there.

-o24

[Pazzaz]

@mellonxcollie Nice read-list. It seems the knife threat worked. I'm missing me though, any thoughts on me?

Also, lets put some more pressure on _Zenith_

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by Pazzaz

@mellonxcollie Nice read-list. It seems the knife threat worked. I'm missing me though, any thoughts on me?

Also, lets put some more pressure on _Zenith_

You obviously haven't read anything?

[mellonxcollie]

Originally Posted by Pazzaz

@mellonxcollie Nice read-list. It seems the knife threat worked. I'm missing me though, any thoughts on me?

Also, lets put some more pressure on _Zenith_

It wasn't so much the knife threat as that was just my first opportunity to post.

You are a hard one because of your small amount of posts. My biggest thought on you right now would be "post more". I know you couldn't post on D1 but you haven't posted much since then either.

It seems like a lot of the posts you do have are about your role and not very scum-hunting. And your role is a bit useless now so it's possible that you are not being entirely truthful. I think it's likely that most of the wolves are hiding among the inactive/low-posting players so this doesn't really look good from my perspective.

You realize that I am Zenith now right? You can put some pressure on me if you want but I'm not Zenith :P

[XelNya]

I also... Can't comprehend how Andy is alive right now...

Did someone swap one of the things and I missed it or are scums stupid?

Originally Posted by andy-o24

You're actually correct to agree with MML's scum read on me. What I posted with what you all know (which is nothing) about my role is definitely scummy.

With what I know (me being power role town) the logic checked out. It's less of a slip than a trip over my own words and my own assumptions.

-o24

why would scum not kill this man for this post?

I MUST have missed something?

[andy-o24]

Originally Posted by XelNya

I also... Can't comprehend how Andy is alive right now...

Did someone swap one of the things and I missed it or are scums stupid?



why would scum not kill this man for this post?

I MUST have missed something?

I posted earlier that maybe the scum strategy is to protect (see dfr) or ignore weak town players. Maybe somehow they had a check on YoshL to confirm his power role and thought I was lying when I claimed my own power role. Point is, I probably shouldn't be alive. But the fact that I still am (and so is everyone else who lived through the night) would suggest scum don't have another vigi ability.

I'm on phone so I can't really check the names, but I would assume no one who voted dfr is scum. People who voted me after my admission are probably scum because they could easily hide their reasoning behind my scummy d1 play. ShadoWolfe and mellon are the only ones I think I remember, but I really doubt ShadoW is scum. Mainly because of Zenith I think mellon is scum, so a red flip there might make my logic of where the scum voted check out. It's worth considering when I get the chance.

-o24

[mellonxcollie]

Originally Posted by andy-o24

I would assume no one who voted dfr is scum. People who voted me after my admission are probably scum because they could easily hide their reasoning behind my scummy d1 play. ShadoWolfe and mellon are the only ones I think I remember, but I really doubt ShadoW is scum. Mainly because of Zenith I think mellon is scum

Don't you think it is possible that people may have voted for you based on your behaviour alone? I read a few pages of the thread and tried to make a vote based off of that. You looked scummy so I voted for you. I still don't fully believe your claim and you've said a lot of really sketchy things so idk.

Also I wouldn't just assume that no one who voted for DFR is scum. It's possible that a wolf slipped in there to try to hide due to exactly this type of reasoning.

[andy-o24]

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

Don't you think it is possible that people may have voted for you based on your behaviour alone? I read a few pages of the thread and tried to make a vote based off of that. You looked scummy so I voted for you. I still don't fully believe your claim and you've said a lot of really sketchy things so idk.

Also I wouldn't just assume that no one who voted for DFR is scum. It's possible that a wolf slipped in there to try to hide due to exactly this type of reasoning.

Originally Posted by andy-o24

I would assume no one who voted dfr is scum. People who voted me after my admission are probably scum because they could easily hide their reasoning behind my scummy d1 play. ShadoWolfe and mellon are the only ones I think I remember, but I really doubt ShadoW is scum. Mainly because of Zenith I think mellon is scum

There ya go.

-o24

[roundbox]

Andy probably lived because it's likely wolves scoured out YoshL and the fact he was a roleblocker, something quite disadvantageous to wolves.
Based on night results, we probably only have one wolf team instead of a split faction.

[Pazzaz]

Just joking, haha.

[inDheart]

WHOOPS

ok legit this time ill bbl

[Pazzaz]

Also before I forget Tokzic