Homosexual Marriage

[Kamunt]

Please note that this post is FILLED with terribly dry sarcasm, the type used in shows like "Moral Orel" on [adult swim], which I'm actually surprised no one's brought up yet. Most of my 1st paragraph following this one is "real", but it gets sarcastic towards the end. Just to forewarn you all.

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

Does the Bible say "Thou can't be attracted to another dude?" NO! It says, to paraphrase, "Don't have sex with other dudes." The latter is VERY MUCH something that they can help.

Sorry, but I can debate that, too. You can't possibly tell me that human beings don't have certain "needs" that need fulfilling, like eating, drinking, breathing, sleeping, going to the bathroom, having fun...and sex is quite often one of these needs, as well. If it wasn't, then why else would there be in our prisons "power in the showers", so to speak? Because, obviously, there's that many homosexual people that get arrested. Obviously.

Originally Posted by tha Guardians

1.) Not everyone believes in God or every detail in the Bible, or stresses it so significantly (if you can understand that).

I don't think anyone alive today does, even the Pope himself.

What if the Bible said 'Thou shall not breath'? You wouldn't know of this as a baby, and therefore, you would already have sinned and be cast into the fiery depths of hell, right?
Every minute you lived after that would be another minute of sin, but God, as an understanding superior, wouldn't throw you in hell for something beyond the boundary of your natural control, would he?

No, because being Baptized obviously clears you of all Original Sin, and since Adam & Eve obviously had to breathe in order to live, breathing is also and Original Sin. Hence, it becomes OK to breathe once you're head is dunked in "holy water". Isn't Christianity convenient? Where you can just dunk your head in some water proclaimed holy and be cleansed of your sins and go to Heaven by default? Because, you know, if you AREN'T baptized, then you go to Hell. Yep yeup yup, of course. Makes sense.

Homosexuality is not a choice. For example, if your straight, go turn gay. No, seriously, be gay right now. Why won't you do it?... because you're not attracted to the same sex. Now tell a gay person to turn straight. They can't... it's beyond their control. They can hide it and resist urge, but they can never turn themselves straight or have someone turn them straight.

Of COURSE you can choose to be gay. It's an easy choice. All you have to do is convince yourself that pain is pleasure and that being unpopular and creepy is cool. Simply doing. Then you find other teens/young adults that feel the same way and "intermix" with them, doing an assortment of drugs and swapping knives and switchblades in the process. Can't forget the drag, skin-tight jeans, eyeliner and dark nail polish, obligatory chains & clothing adorned with the names of any of varying modern punk rock bands of varying crappiness. We call these people "Emo" for short.

...I'm tired, lemme alone. LOL. And...tha_Guardians, that was a chaotically long post, even for someone like me, LMAO, who is known for making ridiculously long posts. I tip A Pimp Named Slickback to you.

[soulofcerberus]

Originally Posted by Kamunt

Please note that this post is FILLED with terribly dry sarcasm, the type used in shows like "Moral Orel" on [adult swim], which I'm actually surprised no one's brought up yet. Most of my 1st paragraph following this one is "real", but it gets sarcastic towards the end. Just to forewarn you all.



Sorry, but I can debate that, too. You can't possibly tell me that human beings don't have certain "needs" that need fulfilling, like eating, drinking, breathing, sleeping, going to the bathroom, having fun...and sex is quite often one of these needs, as well. If it wasn't, then why else would there be in our prisons "power in the showers", so to speak? Because, obviously, there's that many homosexual people that get arrested. Obviously.



I don't think anyone alive today does, even the Pope himself.



No, because being Baptized obviously clears you of all Original Sin, and since Adam & Eve obviously had to breathe in order to live, breathing is also and Original Sin. Hence, it becomes OK to breathe once you're head is dunked in "holy water". Isn't Christianity convenient? Where you can just dunk your head in some water proclaimed holy and be cleansed of your sins and go to Heaven by default? Because, you know, if you AREN'T baptized, then you go to Hell. Yep yeup yup, of course. Makes sense.



Of COURSE you can choose to be gay. It's an easy choice. All you have to do is convince yourself that pain is pleasure and that being unpopular and creepy is cool. Simply doing. Then you find other teens/young adults that feel the same way and "intermix" with them, doing an assortment of drugs and swapping knives and switchblades in the process. Can't forget the drag, skin-tight jeans, eyeliner and dark nail polish, obligatory chains & clothing adorned with the names of any of varying modern punk rock bands of varying crappiness. We call these people "Emo" for short.

...I'm tired, lemme alone. LOL. And...tha_Guardians, that was a chaotically long post, even for someone like me, LMAO, who is known for making ridiculously long posts. I tip A Pimp Named Slickback to you.

God I love sarcasm :P

[Kamunt]

Originally Posted by soulofcerberus

God I love sarcasm :P

And sarcasm/myself loves you, too.

Originally Posted by Windscarredfaith

I'm for gay marriage. Not arguing about it though.

PS - Homosexuals are proof of nature's way of population control. x] Jk.

YYYYEESS!!!!!! Winner! This thread was won on the very first page, who'd have guessed? If this wasn't in CT, I'd playfully insert a not-very-derogatory name to call them here.


~Last Call~

[u84]

Actually, I don't agree with any of you. You don't just dunk your head in "holy" water and automatically be Heavenized. You have to first get saved, and then babtized in water. There is no such thing as "holy" water. And doing these things doesn'y mean what was sin before is now ok. It means that what you've previously done is forgiven and won't send you to Hell. You still have to try not to sin, but you always still will because it's in our nature, and then you must ask God to forgive you for those sins. Now, on to the homosexuality (and for time purposes, I will now call it gay). The Bible does say that gayness is against God. Read the King James Version and you will see for yourself. Although gayness is a sin, it can be forgiven, just like murder, by getting saved. But someone who is saved and believes in God and continues to be gay, is defying God by continually doing the same sin.

[devonin]

I'm not sure how "The Book says so, so I believe it without question" remotely counts as critical thinking...

[soulofcerberus]

Originally Posted by Kamunt

And sarcasm/myself loves you, too.

Yes Love is in the air. What a perfect thread for it too. Let's get married :P.

[u84]

Originally Posted by devonin

I'm not sure how "The Book says so, so I believe it without question" remotely counts as critical thinking...

Umm, no, that's not wat I was saying. I'm saying I've read it in The Bible. And you obviously haven't, so I would stop talking about stuff of which you do not know.

[Lamoc]

Originally Posted by Kamunt

Sorry, but I can debate that, too. You can't possibly tell me that human beings don't have certain "needs" that need fulfilling, like eating, drinking, breathing, sleeping, going to the bathroom, having fun...and sex is quite often one of these needs, as well. If it wasn't, then why else would there be in our prisons "power in the showers", so to speak? Because, obviously, there's that many homosexual people that get arrested. Obviously.

In most countrys homosexuals are arrested and even put to death for loving the same sex. This used to happen here a long time ago. Doesn't matter what people love. Love is Love.

[soulofcerberus]

Originally Posted by Lamoc

In most countrys homosexuals are arrested and even put to death for loving the same sex. This used to happen here a long time ago. Doesn't matter what people love. Love is Love.

There was extreme sarcasm in that whole rant you replied to. But I think that the extreme hatred toward homosexuals is wrong in so many ways.

[u84]

Yes, hating them is not right, but they are defying God.

[devonin]

Originally Posted by u84

Umm, no, that's not wat I was saying. I'm saying I've read it in The Bible. And you obviously haven't, so I would stop talking about stuff of which you do not know.

And the ad hominem comes out again. Don't accuse me of ignorance when you have no idea whether your claims are justified. I have in fact read several different christian sect's copies of the bible, along with decent portions of the koran, the tanakh and the talmud, in addition to having been raised Roman Catholic, and having spoken at length on subjects of theology and scripture with many a priest. I do know of whence I speak, and I was simply pointing out that when someone says "I know it is wrong because I'm taught it was wrong" that doesn't really fly with me.

Several further years of training in philosophy, logic and argumentation are from where I posed my objection, not some ignorant conclusion that anyone who is religious is somehow an idiot.

Also, please explain to me how "The book says so, so I believe it" and stating that you got an opinion you believe "By reading the book" are different at all?

[evilcowgod]

Originally Posted by u84

Yes, hating them is not right, but they are defying God.

1.) Many of you think otherwise, but homosexuality is NOT a choice. It a hormonal imbalance or a chromosone malfunction at birth. I'm not trying to offend anyone, but you can't simply decide one day, 'Oh, I think I'm gonna start liking guys now'.

If you are born gay, being gay wouldn't defy God. =|

[psychopete]

Originally Posted by u84

Yes, hating them is not right, but they are defying God.

I'm openly gay and (somewhat) religious. I do believe in God, yet I think God can forgive me for being who I am, thank you very much.

Originally Posted by evilcowgod

If you are born gay, being gay wouldn't defy God. =|

Quoted for truth.

And awhile ago, someone posted that a straight person can become gay, but not vice-versa. Not true. You're born gay, it just takes people certain amounts of time before they realize it.

[Pippin667]

But isnt religion one of the main arguments against the subject at hand?

[psychopete]

Originally Posted by Pippin667

But isnt religion one of the main arguments against the subject at hand?

Religion isn't bad, it's the people who take it out of proportion who are.

[DARKSAMUS]

Originally Posted by Lamoc

I thought I would put my thoughts into this. I was gone the past couple days and saw how the last time this came up, the topic was.... well destroyed. This is a serious issue. If me reposting, er reviving this topic is against the rules let me know. I couldn't find anything about it.

You can't put a ban on homosexual marriages. Thats wrong. Your restricting the rights of people as well as limiting thier future.

Lets flip this around. How about a ban on hetrosexual marriages? (Hetro meaning "straight") How would that be? To ban 2 people putting everlasting love into each other by documentation. If that makes sense.

People don't have the right to prevent others from doing something. Thats invasion of anothers right to the constitution. Your removing freedoms of a large portion of the U.S.

Homosexual marriages should be allowed. Theres no question on that.

If you guys are having trouble understanding parts of this i'm sorry. I tried the best I could to make this as easy to read as I could. Just finished driving for 14 hours and very tired.

So you must be gay? This site wasn't meant for fags.

[psychopete]

Originally Posted by DARKSAMUS

So you must be gay? This site wasn't meant for fags.

Die in a fire.

[soulofcerberus]

Originally Posted by DARKSAMUS

So you must be gay? This site wasn't meant for fags.

Originally Posted by psychopete

Die in a fire.

More like, get out of critical thinking and go get yourself mutilated in TGB

[u84]

Originally Posted by devonin

And the ad hominem comes out again. Don't accuse me of ignorance when you have no idea whether your claims are justified. I have in fact read several different christian sect's copies of the bible, along with decent portions of the koran, the tanakh and the talmud, in addition to having been raised Roman Catholic, and having spoken at length on subjects of theology and scripture with many a priest. I do know of whence I speak, and I was simply pointing out that when someone says "I know it is wrong because I'm taught it was wrong" that doesn't really fly with me.

Several further years of training in philosophy, logic and argumentation are from where I posed my objection, not some ignorant conclusion that anyone who is religious is somehow an idiot.

Also, please explain to me how "The book says so, so I believe it" and stating that you got an opinion you believe "By reading the book" are different at all?

Ok, you are acting in sever ignorance. One, I believe what The Bible says because it was not man who wrote it, but God who wrote it through men. And it really doesn't matter if you went and read every book on every religion.
If you read The Bible and actually understood it, then you would have read that gayness is a sin in the eyes of God.


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Originally Posted by evilcowgod View Post
If you are born gay, being gay wouldn't defy God.

Wrong. You are not born gay. God made everyone without sin, and then we became sinful afterwards. Gayness is a sin to the Lord and he would not make anything in sin. The Bible says that God made man in his own image, so if God looks down on gayness and isn't gay, then he did not make anyone to be gay. People who are gay turn gay later in life.

[soulofcerberus]

Originally Posted by u84

Wrong. You are not born gay. God made everyone without sin, and then we became sinful afterwards. Gayness is a sin to the Lord and he would not make anything in sin. The Bible says that God made man in his own image, so if God looks down on gayness and isn't gay, then he did not make anyone to be gay. People who are gay turn gay later in life.

for the love of... We're born with a sin nature.

And yes they are born gay, lets see you turn gay. go now. you can't.

as stated before it doesn't work that way. And before you start arguing it, how would YOU know.