Twg XXXIX: Caps Filter'd

[JurseyRider734]

Originally Posted by jwcgator

After reading jur's post my vote on her was pretty much unnessecary.

lmfao you think?

[FFR4EVA_00]

Safety vote on jwc.

[vashthestampede0987]

Hans hasn't said anything about being busy or anything and I'm sure he wouldn't forget about TWG for an entire TWG day. PS I talked to him a couple of day sago and he was very silent but when he did talk it was when he and I attacked each other with racial slurs rofl.

[StoicRoivaS]

I think I have our convo logged kilga, I'll dig it up in a sec here. The Hans thing is a bit odd, but I have my suspicions elsewhere. Talisman jumps me a bit for my jwc vote (partly deservingly, partly not, I'll admit) but more importantly, he's not dead yet. I get a hair agitated in a conversation we had and he backs off a bit then goes and votes observer today with an awfully convenient "observer pulled a classic wolf [grabs attention] and [pulls attention back] I think [tenses muscles] he's a wolf [throws your attention elsewhere]." I expected to be voted by talisman again, assuming he didn't die, but not only is he alive, but he backed off me. Sounds fishy to me.

P.S. @Kilga: Just out of curiosity, why do you want me to post it? Trying to reveal my weak points because I'm unwilling to do what I have to in order to win?

[DiscoBobbyPARANOiA]

I'm really not sure why it's so hard for people to be active, really.

My vote today is going to either Ld or Hans, and right now I'm leaning more towards Ld. I know hans has been online quite a bit thus far, but he's also only responded to me about 1/5 of the times I've tried talking to him. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but not for long.

As far as LD, he did respond when I talked to him on aim, but he seems like he's not trying to add anything to the game. If I recall corectly, he has not made a single post with more than ten words. On top of that, his last three posts have just been oh so insightfulsarcasm)

Originally Posted by lightdarkness

o i c wat u did thar

Originally Posted by lightdarkness

Hans

Originally Posted by lightdarkness

observer

LD

Also, It should be extremely obvious, but the psychic should go to vash if they haven't. He's as confirmed as he'll get.

[StoicRoivaS]

StoicRoivaS: i'm glad i'm going to get lynched because i'm playing an MMO now
bjstrattonIM: >_>
StoicRoivaS: sorry i normally post twice as often as any other person on the site, i'll make sure i stop that
bjstrattonIM: Pity card.
bjstrattonIM: Not gonna work.
bjstrattonIM: Especially honest I don't give a damn what you do for the rest of FFR TWG history.
bjstrattonIM: But that's just me.
StoicRoivaS: i don't want pity, i want people to choose how they're gonna look at me and stay with it so i can adapt
StoicRoivaS: i post a lot and i get called an overzealous wolf
StoicRoivaS: i get into an MMO and now i get accused of making activity excuses
bjstrattonIM: I don't recall using your activity against you.
bjstrattonIM: Go whine to the people who did.
StoicRoivaS: why not anyone else who barely posts, seriously
StoicRoivaS: i'm not claiming 'you' here
StoicRoivaS: just venting
bjstrattonIM: Oh.
bjstrattonIM: Well okay then. <_<
StoicRoivaS: i get almost lynched when i'm a human for trying to help as much as i can
StoicRoivaS: and now i'm gonna get almost lynched for not posting as much as i normally do
StoicRoivaS: and making a less than stellar vote for D1, like anyone cares d1
bjstrattonIM: You'd be surprised.
bjstrattonIM: My day 1 votes when I'm a wolf are invariably for stupid people.
StoicRoivaS: i don't have a better vote, so i'd like to see jwv gone, is it that convoluted?
StoicRoivaS: jwc*
bjstrattonIM: Wasn't that my reasoning in the game where I was a wolf with nforcer, Observer and randumb?
bjstrattonIM: I killed FFR4Eva with it.
StoicRoivaS: well, normally there's a bit more of a unique game design, that warrants more thought
StoicRoivaS: but it's tough when you're in a classic game and you have jack to go on
bjstrattonIM: I realize this.
bjstrattonIM: That was actually some of my motivation for posting as early as I did.
StoicRoivaS: would people have rather me pick some random person, attach as little true evidence as there is against them and vote that way? sorry i have a little pride and i explain my real motives
bjstrattonIM: Honestly?
bjstrattonIM: Yes.
bjstrattonIM: In this game, evidence comes before pride.
bjstrattonIM: Even if it's so small.
StoicRoivaS: then maybe this game isn't for me
bjstrattonIM: I'm sorry you feel that way.
StoicRoivaS: but when the evidence isn't there, and you have to fabricate it to avoid posting just a vote name, what's that worth
StoicRoivaS: nothing in my eyes
StoicRoivaS: i could come out and say 'shash, because talis/hans would be guarded and he would be a much better kill than iggy' but that's a stretch, and that's me defending my own vote
StoicRoivaS: something i don't think should be needed
bjstrattonIM: That would still look better than what you did.
bjstrattonIM: Voting a power player at least looks like you're trying.
StoicRoivaS: i know that, but i'm not in it for 'looks'
bjstrattonIM: You should be.
StoicRoivaS: because they're more likely to be randomly picked as wolf? bs
bjstrattonIM: No, because they're a better self-defender and don't do as many votable things.
bjstrattonIM: Anyone can vote for an idiot without too much fear of retalliation from that person.
bjstrattonIM: And Lord knows people will inherently not mind to see them gone. They're an idiot.
StoicRoivaS: so voting is now a concern of how much flak you'll catch, and not about humanity?
bjstrattonIM: On Day 1? Yeah.
bjstrattonIM: Who wants to get voted off on Day 1?
StoicRoivaS: but if your only concern was to live, why make waves at all
bjstrattonIM: Because people look at - and vote for - those who don't do anything.
StoicRoivaS: how many of the players are going to get zero votes because they've hardly said anything
StoicRoivaS: well over hal
StoicRoivaS: f
bjstrattonIM: That's simply a product of only having as many votes as players.
bjstrattonIM: If every player had four or five votes I guarantee you next to no one would do nothing and recieve no votes.
StoicRoivaS: right, so if i was worried about image and retaliation and so many other things that don't matter, why would i make so much of a scene with my attrocious jwc vote
bjstrattonIM: To say just that.
bjstrattonIM: Also, because attention is currently on Shash more than you.
StoicRoivaS: but i'm saying, if my vote was in some way deviant, why wouldn't i take the easy way to avoid that
bjstrattonIM: You're telling me there's an easy way to make a good, solid vote on Day 1?
StoicRoivaS: i'm telling you that if someone barely says anything, votes late and smooth, they live though D1, 99% of the time
bjstrattonIM: They live through D1, sure.
bjstrattonIM: But hell if they don't get looked at shortly thereafter.
StoicRoivaS: yeah, but by then there's more to discuss
StoicRoivaS: i'm merely disgruntled at the fact that i post less and make a crap vote, and now i'm a wolf
StoicRoivaS: and it just doesn't add up to me
bjstrattonIM: It's because more is expected of you.
bjstrattonIM: I can't speak for anyone else, of course.
bjstrattonIM: If anyone voted for you because you were doing "too much" then they're a moron, plain and simply.
StoicRoivaS: and so i get slightly busy, plus i have no feelings for my D1 vote cause i have zero info to go on, and still more is expected
bjstrattonIM: Pretty much.
bjstrattonIM: It's unfair, but such is the way reputations work in TWG.
StoicRoivaS: k, i'll go ahead and work on that
bjstrattonIM: Have fun doing so.
bjstrattonIM: I suggest trying my approach to things.
StoicRoivaS: the one time i'm not being noisy and i get called for it, cool
StoicRoivaS: which is
bjstrattonIM: I've built a reputation that allows me to be just suspicious enough to not wolf kill but not too suspicious as to be worth voting off.
StoicRoivaS: you also post significantly less than i do
bjstrattonIM: Exactly.
StoicRoivaS: which makes all of that much easier
bjstrattonIM: I've been posting very little since the very beginning.
StoicRoivaS: christ! that's it! don't participate! i'll never die!
bjstrattonIM: Whenever I post a lot it's a huge indication to the opposite side that I'm something important.
bjstrattonIM: Hey, I participate a little.
StoicRoivaS: yeah, and you add meaningful things when you do
bjstrattonIM: Two or three posts a day, with a vote with reasonable substantiation behind it.
bjstrattonIM: And look at where that got me.
StoicRoivaS: i know fully well what will work, i just don't agree with it
bjstrattonIM: I have died before Day 4 maybe 5 times in my life.
StoicRoivaS: nor do i agree with people making stabs at my humanity over it
bjstrattonIM: Tass doesn't agree with my strategy either.
bjstrattonIM: He really wishes I would chage it.
bjstrattonIM: But he can't deny that it works.
StoicRoivaS: well, we don't talk about tass
bjstrattonIM: It boils down to a question of doing what is necessary versus doing what you think is right.
bjstrattonIM: Assuming the two don't overlap.
StoicRoivaS: yeah
StoicRoivaS: a clear choice for me, unfortunately not one that will keep me alive often
bjstrattonIM: 'Tis a shame.
StoicRoivaS: indeed
StoicRoivaS: maybe i'll just host a bit more often then, i didn't terribly mind, game issues aside
StoicRoivaS: speaking of, how exactly did the judas/salaus(?) game turn out, i've heard a bit about it but never read through it
bjstrattonIM: Humans won.
StoicRoivaS: well, less of the question, more like, what did they do, roles, and how did people like it
StoicRoivaS: i was kind of interested since so many people have mentioned it over time, maybe hosting it again, or rallying to get it hosted
bjstrattonIM: Uh
bjstrattonIM: Uh
bjstrattonIM: Judas started on the human side
bjstrattonIM: If he was killed, he resurrected and won if the wolves won
bjstrattonIM: Saulus was the reverse
StoicRoivaS: ah
bjstrattonIM: The vampire was a normal human, but resurrected to become the serial killer
bjstrattonIM: Upon being killed
StoicRoivaS: sounds interesting
bjstrattonIM: It was
StoicRoivaS: well thanks for the ear, i'm back to RO and then some dinner
bjstrattonIM: All right.
bjstrattonIM: Have fun.
StoicRoivaS: here's to right before necessary

[StoicRoivaS]

Current voting (and observation based on it)

Hans (5.1) - Phantom, Eric, Kilga, Jurs, JWC, Vash
FFR4EVA_00 (.1) - Phantom
Fojar (1) - nija
Observer (2) - Talisman, LD
LD (1) - Sertman
StoicRoivaS (1) - FoJar
JWC (1) - FFR4eva
Talisman (1) - Stoic

Eric votes hans around 3, then within an hour (from kilga) Kilga, jurs and JWC all vote him. I doubt the wolves are this brave, but it does look a bit odd. Maybe I just don't know how hans plays all that well and him being inactive means he's a wolf, but maybe it means something else. If hans got seer'ed maybe someone should say this and we can vote together, because otherwise it makes me wonder about all of the people that jumped on hans over talisman. My vote is mainly gut anyways but I'd rather have a wolf that's actually playing gone over a wolf that's barely posted. Obviously this changes if hans hits 2 phantoms, but for now I'm shocked that I'm the only one wondering about talisman. Maybe someone can fill me in on what I'm clearly missing.

Edit: changed JWC's vote to his 2nd one

[talisman]

Observer's vote yesterday was more suspicious than yours... hence my vote today.

[jwcgator]

So uhh, yeah. This is really active.

[StoicRoivaS]

Originally Posted by talisman

Observer's vote yesterday was more suspicious than yours... hence my vote today.

You say that now but you voted me yesterday, and now you back off after I defend myself to you a bit and vote you today... interesting. Why not vote observer yesterday then?

[FoJaR]

wow.

[DiscoBobbyPARANOiA]

Originally Posted by StoicRoivaS

Current voting (and observation based on it)

Hans (5.1) - Phantom, Eric, Kilga, Jurs, JWC, Vash
FFR4EVA_00 (.1) - Phantom
Fojar (1) - nija
Observer (2) - Talisman, LD
LD (1) - Sertman
StoicRoivaS (1) - FoJar
JWC (1) - FFR4eva
Talisman (1) - Stoic

I voted for LD.

[talisman]

A B
kilga stoic
dbp eric
observer ld
jurs sert

Just two sets of guesses. Based on nothing but hunches and gut for the most part... I'm just going to put them out there since I can't see the wolves letting me survive into day three. Kilga and dbp are in there because I always think kilga is suspicious day two, and because it seems to me like he's just either setting or joining in these sketchy voting trends. Dbp as a guess, I'm still 50/50 on him. One thing I will say is that at least one of these wolves made the decision to go for afro. It was clearly bluehunting, and I think it had to have been based largely on vash's safety vote on afro... meaning that perhaps the wolves read into that somehow. And there aren't many players in the game now that would have read into that excepting kilga, dbp, and perhaps fojar as well. Most of the rest of those up there are either just my gut or because of their votes/activity.

Gonna go ahead and post my convos as well in case I die... read through them if you're bored.



This Is FoJaR (3:24:47 PM): oh man you're a wolf again arent you
stressreliefball (3:24:51 PM): no
This Is FoJaR (3:24:59 PM): i'll give you one more day
This Is FoJaR (3:25:14 PM): but if you're not dead
This Is FoJaR (3:25:20 PM): oh you are so gonig down wolfy
stressreliefball (3:25:34 PM): I expected to die last night
stressreliefball (3:25:45 PM): but apparently they're going blue hunting
stressreliefball (3:26:06 PM): who have you talked with this game?
This Is FoJaR (3:26:12 PM): DBP mostly
This Is FoJaR (3:26:19 PM): a little bit with vash
stressreliefball (3:26:31 PM): that's all so far?
This Is FoJaR (3:26:36 PM): yeah pretty much
stressreliefball (3:26:40 PM): k
stressreliefball (3:27:05 PM): top suspicions?
This Is FoJaR (3:27:19 PM): dunno right now
This Is FoJaR (3:27:28 PM): i'm waiting for a psychic report from vash
This Is FoJaR (3:27:42 PM): i'm hoping shash was wolf
stressreliefball (3:27:50 PM): same, but I have doubts
This Is FoJaR (3:28:30 PM): who are you thinking
stressreliefball (3:28:47 PM): well
stressreliefball (3:28:53 PM): I have questions about observer
stressreliefball (3:28:55 PM): after his vote
stressreliefball (3:29:09 PM): but I'll wait to see how he posts
stressreliefball (3:29:20 PM): stoic obviously is up there
This Is FoJaR (3:29:20 PM): we had better still have psychic
stressreliefball (3:29:41 PM): indeed
This Is FoJaR (3:29:57 PM): if shash ISNT a wolf
This Is FoJaR (3:30:00 PM): then i'm looking at LD
stressreliefball (3:30:26 PM): ld didn't vote for shash did he?
stressreliefball (3:30:33 PM): I thought he voted for hans or something
This Is FoJaR (3:30:38 PM): yeah
This Is FoJaR (3:30:39 PM): that's why
This Is FoJaR (3:30:54 PM): there's a 4 tie
This Is FoJaR (3:31:00 PM): and he votes hans with no explanation
This Is FoJaR (3:31:10 PM): and if he IS a wofl
This Is FoJaR (3:31:14 PM): then i'm voting hans next
This Is FoJaR (3:31:21 PM): but like i said
This Is FoJaR (3:31:27 PM): this all depends on if shash was a wolf
stressreliefball (3:31:44 PM): I was really looking forward to how hans would vote
This Is FoJaR (3:31:56 PM): yeah pretty lame
stressreliefball (3:32:10 PM): I had some suspicions about him, wanted to see what he would do with the tie situation
stressreliefball (3:32:13 PM): but he did nothing
This Is FoJaR (3:34:40 PM): yeah that's pretty much why i'm thinking LD if shash isnt a wolf
This Is FoJaR (3:34:46 PM): because he did nothing
This Is FoJaR (3:34:58 PM): when he could have easily taken out JWC
This Is FoJaR (3:35:04 PM): even if shash and JWC were both wolves
This Is FoJaR (3:35:08 PM): take JWC out
stressreliefball (3:35:26 PM): the problem with ld
stressreliefball (3:35:28 PM): as always
stressreliefball (3:35:33 PM): is that he never says enough to be readable
This Is FoJaR (3:35:43 PM): well
stressreliefball (3:35:44 PM): it's rather annoying
This Is FoJaR (3:35:53 PM): it seems pretty obvious to me
This Is FoJaR (3:36:08 PM): if shash was a wolf, it's LD being stupid
This Is FoJaR (3:36:13 PM): if shash isnt a wolf
This Is FoJaR (3:36:23 PM): it's LD sitting back and letting the cards fall
This Is FoJaR (3:36:34 PM): much more likely
This Is FoJaR (3:36:48 PM): if one of them were a wolf
This Is FoJaR (3:37:00 PM): LD would have saved them
stressreliefball (3:37:17 PM): maybe he thought shash would come and save himself
This Is FoJaR (3:37:31 PM): if both of them were wolves, LD would probably vote jwc
This Is FoJaR (3:37:45 PM): maybe, but i
This Is FoJaR (3:37:53 PM): m still voting LD if shash wasnt a wolf
stressreliefball (3:39:14 PM): so looking back at the thread
stressreliefball (3:39:23 PM): ld, myself, and observer all voted after the tie
stressreliefball (3:39:34 PM): and all voted off of either shash or jwc
stressreliefball (3:39:39 PM): so why would you just be going after ld?
This Is FoJaR (3:39:54 PM): well like i said, if you dont die in the next day or so
This Is FoJaR (3:39:57 PM): i'll be voting you
This Is FoJaR (3:40:04 PM): so i'm just not going to btoher thinking about you for now
This Is FoJaR (3:40:10 PM): and also, you're like me
This Is FoJaR (3:40:23 PM): you'll vote for someone you think is a wolf no matter who's on the blocks
stressreliefball (3:40:35 PM): that's true
This Is FoJaR (3:40:52 PM): observer i would probably vote for
This Is FoJaR (3:41:14 PM): but you're nto dead yet so for now i'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt
This Is FoJaR (3:41:28 PM): also because hans is kinda suspicious to me
This Is FoJaR (3:41:54 PM): and a wolf voting a wolf when they dont have any other votes on them is probable
This Is FoJaR (3:42:28 PM): from my limited contact with LD, if my shash suspicion is right, it's definitely something i could see
stressreliefball (3:42:47 PM): you've talked some with ld?
This Is FoJaR (3:42:52 PM): not this game
This Is FoJaR (3:42:54 PM): but in general
stressreliefball (3:42:59 PM): k
This Is FoJaR (3:43:14 PM): it just kinda seems like his personality
stressreliefball (3:43:30 PM): there used to be a general rule of thumb with ld
This Is FoJaR (3:43:36 PM): ?
stressreliefball (3:43:37 PM): if he was active
stressreliefball (3:43:40 PM): he was red or blue
stressreliefball (3:43:42 PM): if he wasn't
stressreliefball (3:43:43 PM): he was green
stressreliefball (3:43:48 PM): but now he's just always inactive
This Is FoJaR (3:44:12 PM): well
This Is FoJaR (3:44:20 PM): the way i try to read people
This Is FoJaR (3:44:27 PM): is to get a general feel for their personality
This Is FoJaR (3:44:34 PM): for some people it's harder than others
This Is FoJaR (3:44:37 PM): or rather
This Is FoJaR (3:44:44 PM): they have a better control of their tells
This Is FoJaR (3:44:52 PM): that's how i caught fish that one time
This Is FoJaR (3:44:59 PM): i know his personality pretty well
This Is FoJaR (3:45:10 PM): and it's not about if they act different game to game
This Is FoJaR (3:45:17 PM): it's about if they step outside their personality
stressreliefball (3:45:25 PM): right
This Is FoJaR (3:45:35 PM): or in LD's case, play inside their personality
This Is FoJaR (3:45:48 PM): but it all depends on if shash is a wolf
This Is FoJaR (3:46:06 PM): if he is, then this is all moot
stressreliefball (3:46:17 PM): indeed
stressreliefball (3:47:27 PM): jurs and sertman... bitch at each other all day
stressreliefball (3:47:37 PM): then vote the same way ten minutes apart
This Is FoJaR (3:47:46 PM): lol
This Is FoJaR (3:50:51 PM): where the hell is vash
stressreliefball (3:52:25 PM): doing homework, apparently
This Is FoJaR (3:58:17 PM): he talked to me for a second just now
This Is FoJaR (3:58:29 PM): and then decided to confer with you and hans his wolf buddies
stressreliefball (3:58:54 PM): vash said he was going to confer with me?
stressreliefball (3:59:12 PM): we haven't spoken yet this game
This Is FoJaR (3:59:17 PM): you his wolf buddy
This Is FoJaR (4:06:56 PM): oh man

Auto response from stressreliefball (4:06:56 PM): reading

This Is FoJaR (4:06:58 PM): oh man
This Is FoJaR (4:07:03 PM): this game sucks
This Is FoJaR (5:14:46 PM): vash is the worst seer in the history of the game

Auto response from stressreliefball (5:14:46 PM): reading

This Is FoJaR (10:34:08 PM): have you heard from vash at all?
This Is FoJaR (10:34:16 PM): he told me that there's no psychic report
This Is FoJaR (10:34:20 PM): way lame
stressreliefball (10:34:32 PM): hmm
stressreliefball (10:35:14 PM): and I haven't heard from vash
This Is FoJaR (10:35:24 PM): and he apparently seered afro
This Is FoJaR (10:35:28 PM): talk about lame
stressreliefball (10:36:00 PM): he revealed this to you?
This Is FoJaR (10:36:18 PM): yeah
This Is FoJaR (10:36:26 PM): is he not supposed to?
stressreliefball (10:36:43 PM): dunno
This Is FoJaR (10:36:47 PM): hey wait
stressreliefball (10:36:48 PM): guess it doesn't matter
This Is FoJaR (10:36:51 PM): if a seer seers a blue
This Is FoJaR (10:36:57 PM): do they come up blue or green
stressreliefball (10:37:04 PM): green
stressreliefball (10:37:20 PM): but there'd be no reason to seer a blue
stressreliefball (10:37:27 PM): if you knew who they were
This Is FoJaR (10:37:32 PM): well screw that then
This Is FoJaR (10:37:32 PM): well
This Is FoJaR (10:37:36 PM): apparently we have no psychic
This Is FoJaR (10:37:46 PM): or the psychic for whatever reason hasnt gone to vash
stressreliefball (10:37:49 PM): unless it was iggy
This Is FoJaR (10:37:59 PM): yeah but vash seered iggy apparently
This Is FoJaR (10:38:08 PM): night one
stressreliefball (10:38:12 PM): what the hell
This Is FoJaR (10:38:15 PM): which is why i asked about the blue
This Is FoJaR (10:38:21 PM): yeah ****ing retarded or what
stressreliefball (10:38:31 PM): I thought when you just told me he seered afro
This Is FoJaR (10:38:32 PM): unless he's lying to me for whatever reason
stressreliefball (10:38:33 PM): you meant night one
This Is FoJaR (10:38:35 PM): no
This Is FoJaR (10:38:37 PM): i meant last night
This Is FoJaR (10:38:41 PM): like he's a wolf
stressreliefball (10:38:42 PM): why would he have seered afro
This Is FoJaR (10:38:45 PM): the worst wolf ever
stressreliefball (10:38:51 PM): afro was clearly human
This Is FoJaR (10:38:54 PM): or just the worst seer ever
This Is FoJaR (10:38:59 PM): vash is a ****tard
This Is FoJaR (10:39:01 PM): that's why
stressreliefball (10:39:08 PM): god I wish I were seer
stressreliefball (10:39:11 PM): my favorite role ever
This Is FoJaR (10:39:18 PM): yeha no kidding
This Is FoJaR (10:39:28 PM): at least i'm doing something
This Is FoJaR (10:39:31 PM): productive
This Is FoJaR (10:40:14 PM): that is
This Is FoJaR (10:40:23 PM): not gonna tell you what
This Is FoJaR (10:40:25 PM): mr wolf
This Is FoJaR (10:40:26 PM): but i
This Is FoJaR (10:40:31 PM): am doing productive things
stressreliefball (10:40:40 PM): ok then
stressreliefball (10:43:47 PM): day ends tomorrow
stressreliefball (10:43:52 PM): prediction: phantomfest
This Is FoJaR (10:44:44 PM): word life son
This Is FoJaR (10:44:52 PM): so what are the rules on phantoms?
stressreliefball (10:45:01 PM): regular I assume
This Is FoJaR (10:45:03 PM): can you get kicked out of a game for excessive phantoms?
stressreliefball (10:45:09 PM): eventually
stressreliefball (10:45:18 PM): but only be automatic insta
This Is FoJaR (10:45:21 PM): oh

jwcgator2 (11:52:15 PM): Talisman!
stressreliefball (11:52:19 PM): howdy
jwcgator2 (11:52:24 PM): please tell me you're gonna save my ass right XD
stressreliefball (11:52:42 PM): I'd prefer seeing what hans does, if he does anything
jwcgator2 (11:52:43 PM): those 4 people voting me are just voting out of dumb spite
jwcgator2 (11:52:55 PM): i think hans is invisible
jwcgator2 (11:53:33 PM): hes gonna screw me over at the last second I KNOW IT
stressreliefball (11:53:40 PM): perhaps
stressreliefball (11:53:46 PM): if he does and you come back human
stressreliefball (11:53:52 PM): it will look bad for him
jwcgator2 (11:54:05 PM): you humans better raise some freaking hell against the people who voted me
stressreliefball (11:54:26 PM): what do you mean by "you humans"
stressreliefball (11:54:42 PM): why did you exclude yourself from that group
jwcgator2 (11:54:58 PM): the other humans who ARENT wolves (including me, if that's what you're asking, but if I get lynched im useless anyways
jwcgator2 (11:55:54 PM): because Im gonna come up human if lynched
stressreliefball (12:01:21 AM): who have you talked to this game?
jwcgator2 (12:02:09 AM): Nija, DPB, You, Stoic(a little) and kilga (very little, i dont even know if I really talked at all)
jwcgator2 (12:04:20 AM): Well, if no one votes me or shash now it looks like its gonna come down to a KITB D:
stressreliefball (12:05:03 AM): looks like it's already there
jwcgator2 (12:05:17 AM): yeah
jwcgator2 (12:05:45 AM): I hope my LCK skill is high enough to not get lynched
jwcgator2 (12:06:37 AM): Can you tell me breifly how the hell a KITB works >_>
stressreliefball (12:06:44 AM): hold on
stressreliefball (12:07:00 AM): nvm you lived
jwcgator2 (12:07:20 AM): what?
stressreliefball (12:07:25 AM): wilkin just rolled a die in a chat with me and dbp
jwcgator2 (12:07:29 AM): :O!!!!
jwcgator2 (12:07:48 AM): There is a god of fairness!
jwcgator2 (12:11:49 AM): lol, I wonder if wilkin has realized that it's time to start the day
stressreliefball (12:12:28 AM): he hasn't responded to my im telling him to yet

RebelNija (1:50:19 PM): 'ey.
stressreliefball (1:50:26 PM): hello
RebelNija (1:50:51 PM): got time for twg? or busy
stressreliefball (1:50:58 PM): got plenty of time
RebelNija (1:51:44 PM): so yeah, there's a good chance that I'll get lynched instead of shash.
stressreliefball (1:52:09 PM): lot of time still left
RebelNija (1:52:10 PM): DBP and I were trying to think of a way to get something out of it.
RebelNija (1:52:11 PM): yeah
RebelNija (1:52:17 PM): and a lot of votes not in.
stressreliefball (1:52:33 PM): tell me what you and dbp were talking about
RebelNija (1:52:52 PM): he's pretty convinced that shash is a wolf.
RebelNija (1:52:58 PM): and because of that, he thinks I'm not.
stressreliefball (1:53:07 PM): right
stressreliefball (1:53:21 PM): but how was he suggesting you "get something out of it"
RebelNija (1:53:30 PM): but we decided there was nothing we could get out of me dying
RebelNija (1:53:36 PM): except knowing that we weren't lynching a blue
stressreliefball (1:53:55 PM): well there's always the psychic report
RebelNija (1:54:00 PM): yeah
stressreliefball (1:54:17 PM): the original game is so unbalanced towards humans it's kind of funny
RebelNija (1:54:22 PM): I'll plop it in the thread later that the psychic should go to the seer if I show up green and get lynched.
RebelNija (1:54:29 PM): just in case it's jwc
RebelNija (1:54:31 PM): ^^
stressreliefball (1:54:34 PM): the psychic should already have gone to the seer
RebelNija (1:54:43 PM): [13:54] RebelNija: just in case it's jwc
stressreliefball (1:54:50 PM): right
RebelNija (1:55:15 PM): eh.

stressreliefball (11:24:31 PM): dbp
DBP TWG (11:24:38 PM): Yo, yo.
DBP TWG (11:24:44 PM): Can you hold on like 3 mins?
stressreliefball (11:24:47 PM): sure
DBP TWG (11:24:51 PM): I've got to go put a pot pie in the oven 8)
DBP TWG (11:26:26 PM): okayy
DBP TWG (11:26:29 PM): What's up?
stressreliefball (11:26:31 PM): give me your thoughts on the recent developments in twg
DBP TWG (11:26:38 PM): As far as nija?
stressreliefball (11:26:48 PM): pretty much everything since the voting began
DBP TWG (11:27:07 PM): Well, I think sert and shash are both retarded.
DBP TWG (11:27:21 PM): Shash is like 'oh hay guys I forgot I'm playing' 'lol bandwagon, btw'
DBP TWG (11:27:41 PM): And sert wasted a good chunk of the day because he felt the need to be a dick.
stressreliefball (11:27:56 PM): does shash's vote make him wolfy or just dumb in your opinion?
DBP TWG (11:28:06 PM): Well, it's one of them, I know that.
DBP TWG (11:28:12 PM): I'm not sure which yet though.
DBP TWG (11:28:19 PM): i'd need to talk to him a bit more first.
stressreliefball (11:28:25 PM): what about eric
stressreliefball (11:28:30 PM): he did the same thing as shash
stressreliefball (11:29:01 PM): why do you think it's definitely one of those three?
DBP TWG (11:30:49 PM): I think eric's a possibility too.
DBP TWG (11:31:05 PM): But, I think at least one person that voted nija is going to be a wolf.
stressreliefball (11:31:18 PM): why
DBP TWG (11:31:41 PM): In my opinion, it's so uncalled for.
DBP TWG (11:31:47 PM): Them jumping his ****,
DBP TWG (11:31:55 PM): i don't know, I've only read the thread once.
DBP TWG (11:32:05 PM): and I've been at work/playing ddr/talking to the misses.
DBP TWG (11:32:14 PM): misses, lol I'm a douche.
DBP TWG (11:32:21 PM): Mrs.
DBP TWG (11:32:48 PM): Anyways, Maybe I'm looking too much into it but it strikes me as odd that eveyrone's just like 'he's bandwagoning!' when he actually said something.
DBP TWG (11:33:02 PM): Maybe him and afro are wolves, it'd make sense, but I'm more apt to believe him right now.
DBP TWG (11:33:15 PM): I talked to him on aim tonight, and he seemed human to me, but then again I'm not the best at reading people.
DBP TWG (11:33:23 PM): him being nija
stressreliefball (11:33:28 PM): I read bits and pieces of that jurs convo
DBP TWG (11:33:39 PM): I didn't read any of it, nija summarized it for me.
stressreliefball (11:33:48 PM): it's fairly clear that the two of them aren't wolves together
DBP TWG (11:33:53 PM): Yeah
stressreliefball (11:34:06 PM): most staged convos don't last an hour and half
DBP TWG (11:34:11 PM): yeah, lol.
stressreliefball (11:34:15 PM): and aren't spent talking about horses
DBP TWG (11:34:25 PM): He was like 'jurs is going to post the WHOLE thing just for sert 8)'
stressreliefball (11:34:41 PM): who all have you talked to this game so far?
DBP TWG (11:34:55 PM): Well, I went around asking people 'are you a wolf?'
DBP TWG (11:35:05 PM): i asked about half the players on night one/early day one
DBP TWG (11:35:43 PM): I've talked to... vash, fojar, nija, stoic, you, hans, observer, and kilga.
DBP TWG (11:35:47 PM): Kilga not about twg stuff
DBP TWG (11:36:00 PM): I swear he hates me
DBP TWG (11:36:06 PM): Is he like... mean to everyone or just me?
stressreliefball (11:36:12 PM): not mean to me
DBP TWG (11:36:14 PM): Ahh.
DBP TWG (11:36:17 PM): He's very.. short.
DBP TWG (11:36:20 PM): Not really mean.
DBP TWG (11:36:25 PM): but it comes off that way.
DBP TWG (11:36:27 PM): Anyways.
DBP TWG (11:36:41 PM): Sorry, he's like my hero when it comes to simfiles.
DBP TWG (11:36:50 PM): Stoic by far acted the most suspicious.
DBP TWG (11:37:13 PM): Like.. me knowing him, I can kinda tell when he's lying.
DBP TWG (11:37:20 PM): He like.. dances around the truth, so to speak.
DBP TWG (11:37:27 PM): Never straight up said 'no I'm not a wolf'
DBP TWG (11:37:35 PM): It was always 'I'm green again..' or 'I'm human lol'
DBP TWG (11:37:56 PM): We talked for like.. 30 miinutes I'd say, and in the end he was saying things like 'who should I kill tonight?'
stressreliefball (11:38:21 PM): I should talk with him
DBP TWG (11:38:22 PM): To be taken in jest, I'm sure, but he seemed a lot easier when he was saying he was a wolf.
DBP TWG (11:38:26 PM): Tear it up.
stressreliefball (11:38:38 PM): haven't had a decent convo with him yet
stressreliefball (11:38:46 PM): well
stressreliefball (11:38:59 PM): the wolves will start voting tomorrow
stressreliefball (11:39:13 PM): and then it should be easier to tell if that will be necessary or not
DBP TWG (11:39:22 PM): Talking to him?
stressreliefball (11:39:31 PM): right
DBP TWG (11:39:33 PM): Ahh.
DBP TWG (11:39:58 PM): well, he's up there on my list.
DBP TWG (11:40:22 PM): Pretty high for day one, actually.
DBP TWG (11:45:06 PM): Anything else you want to talk about?
stressreliefball (11:45:33 PM): not that I can think of
DBP TWG (11:45:52 PM): well, if you need anything IM me.
DBP TWG (11:45:55 PM): I'm always willing to talk twg.
DBP TWG (11:46:03 PM): Off to some snes action
DBP TWG (11:46:10 PM): Peace
stressreliefball (11:46:13 PM): later
DBP TWG (10:56:06 PM): Yo yo
stressreliefball (10:57:33 PM): hey
DBP TWG (10:57:41 PM): How're you on this fine evening?
stressreliefball (10:59:56 PM): sorry about that
stressreliefball (10:59:59 PM): I'm fine
DBP TWG (11:00:04 PM): That's good.
DBP TWG (11:00:13 PM): Have you thought about eric at all this game?
stressreliefball (11:00:22 PM): a bit, yes
DBP TWG (11:00:25 PM): Well, I'm sure you have >_>, care to share what you think?
stressreliefball (11:00:33 PM): hard to say
stressreliefball (11:00:41 PM): on the one hand, he did the exact same thing as shash
stressreliefball (11:00:45 PM): yet no one noticed him
DBP TWG (11:00:49 PM): Yeah
DBP TWG (11:01:06 PM): And, it seems like he's being quiter than alot of people.
stressreliefball (11:01:10 PM): on the other hand, he tends to fly under the radar no matter what role he is
DBP TWG (11:01:19 PM): I don't know how he plays as I've never played with him, but that's how he comes off to me.
DBP TWG (11:01:21 PM): Ahh, I see.
stressreliefball (11:01:35 PM): I always would end up voting for him day two or three
DBP TWG (11:01:40 PM): Haha
stressreliefball (11:01:45 PM): because I could always convince myself that he was a wolf
stressreliefball (11:01:50 PM): and sometimes, I'd be right
DBP TWG (11:01:50 PM): >_<
DBP TWG (11:02:01 PM): But when he's a wolf it's not really any different?
stressreliefball (11:02:05 PM): he's one for sure that I would have considered seering
stressreliefball (11:02:10 PM): not that I can recall
stressreliefball (11:02:18 PM): it's been a while though, that's for sure
DBP TWG (11:02:22 PM): Ahh.
DBP TWG (11:02:31 PM): Well, he's on my 'watch these people' list.
DBP TWG (11:02:40 PM): Just because he strikes me as odd.
stressreliefball (11:02:40 PM): which includes?
DBP TWG (11:03:13 PM): Well, stoic was at the top, but I've talked to him about it a bit more and he's a bit more human-looking (doesn't mean I think he's a human though)
DBP TWG (11:03:24 PM): Ld like you posted, he's just been amazingly quiet.
DBP TWG (11:03:45 PM): If I recall correctly, he's posted twice and they both had nothing to add to the game.
DBP TWG (11:03:48 PM): I could be way off.
stressreliefball (11:03:54 PM): he's posted more than that
DBP TWG (11:03:57 PM): Ahh.
DBP TWG (11:04:01 PM): I've only read the thread once through.
stressreliefball (11:04:04 PM): one post was fairly incisive
stressreliefball (11:04:09 PM): all were short
DBP TWG (11:04:12 PM): Ahh.
DBP TWG (11:04:17 PM): I really should re-read the thread >_<
stressreliefball (11:04:20 PM): standard fair for him
DBP TWG (11:04:28 PM): I've never played with him either, so there's that.
DBP TWG (11:04:39 PM): Him and Eric are new for me.
DBP TWG (11:05:08 PM): Jwc makes me think that he's either a red or a blue.
DBP TWG (11:05:25 PM): Just with how he acts on aim. (I talk to him occasionally outside of twg)
stressreliefball (11:05:39 PM): I don't know how to read him
DBP TWG (11:05:45 PM): Haha, no one does.
DBP TWG (11:06:00 PM): I think I've the most experience with him, since I didn't immediately disband all ties.
DBP TWG (11:06:15 PM): I talk to him every once in a while, about ddr and stuff.
stressreliefball (11:06:44 PM): only some odd things make me think he's a wolf
stressreliefball (11:06:56 PM): like when he said "you humans" to me last night
DBP TWG (11:07:03 PM):
DBP TWG (11:07:08 PM): Haha, that's like giving it a way.
DBP TWG (11:07:11 PM): Away.
DBP TWG (11:07:20 PM): But I could see him doing that as a human too though, it's just how he is.
DBP TWG (11:07:24 PM): (very careless)
stressreliefball (11:07:29 PM): that was my thinking as well
stressreliefball (11:07:57 PM): what do you think about observer?
DBP TWG (11:08:11 PM): I've talked to him on aim a bunch, but I always do.
DBP TWG (11:08:25 PM): We've talked about the whole nija/sert/shash thing a bit.
DBP TWG (11:08:43 PM): Not too sure what to think about him though.
DBP TWG (11:09:07 PM): I want to lean human, just because he's acting like he normally does, but on the other hand he's being a bit less active on the thread if memory serves me correctly.
DBP TWG (11:09:38 PM): But again, I need to re-read the thread. I've not touched it since 2 days ago, and today I only read from the host's update to the end.
stressreliefball (11:09:53 PM): his vote struck me as a kind of textbook wolf vote
stressreliefball (11:09:58 PM): late in the day
stressreliefball (11:10:02 PM): takes a neutral stance
DBP TWG (11:10:09 PM): (I was with my girlfriend and she was upset I was twg'in anyways >_<)
stressreliefball (11:10:10 PM): hope for the future
stressreliefball (11:10:15 PM): safety vote
stressreliefball (11:10:18 PM): etc
DBP TWG (11:10:18 PM): Ahh, that makes alot of sense.
DBP TWG (11:10:22 PM): Yeah.
stressreliefball (11:10:29 PM): but sometimes humans do that too
DBP TWG (11:10:41 PM): I was talking to him on aim though, and he was like 'I'm really not sure what to do'
DBP TWG (11:10:45 PM): Or something along thoes lines.
DBP TWG (11:10:51 PM): And I told him 'well, you have to at least vote'
DBP TWG (11:11:23 PM): Other than that, I don't really know what to say
DBP TWG (11:11:29 PM): It does seem textbook wolf though, like you said.
DBP TWG (11:15:03 PM): Any othere suspects on your end?
DBP TWG (11:15:09 PM): Other than what you posted, of course?
stressreliefball (11:15:25 PM): did I post suspicions?
DBP TWG (11:15:32 PM): Well, let me look.
DBP TWG (11:15:35 PM): Maybe I got confused.
stressreliefball (11:15:37 PM): not today I don't think
stressreliefball (11:15:55 PM): anyway, observer, stoic, hans, jurs
stressreliefball (11:16:05 PM): that's sort of one group I'm considering
DBP TWG (11:16:15 PM): Ohh, I'm sorry.
DBP TWG (11:16:22 PM): That was sertman's post I was thinking of
DBP TWG (11:16:31 PM): Man, I need to pay more attention.
DBP TWG (11:16:54 PM):
DBP TWG (11:03:29 PM): Ld like you posted, he's just been amazingly quiet

DBP TWG (11:17:17 PM): That was also directed towards sertman's post. I wonder why I thought it was you... ~_~
stressreliefball (11:17:18 PM): yeah I just assumed you were talking about yesterday
DBP TWG (11:38:25 PM): Well, I've got to get going.
DBP TWG (11:38:40 PM): Hopefully we can talk some more tomorrow, Ive been kinda busy tonight
DBP TWG (11:38:42 PM): Night.
stressreliefball (11:38:44 PM): later

stressreliefball (5:31:13 PM): stressreliefball (5:14:55 PM): iggy: good kill, bad kill, or neither, in your opinion?
bjstrattonIM (5:31:45 PM): Given the game, I'd lean toward good kill.
bjstrattonIM (5:32:00 PM): Looking at the list of players I would assume the guardian was all over you last night
stressreliefball (5:32:17 PM): presumably
bjstrattonIM (5:32:23 PM): If I remember right this game has very few upper level players in it
stressreliefball (5:32:24 PM): I'm going to feel naked night two though
bjstrattonIM (5:32:38 PM): And you're the most likely candidate for a guard
bjstrattonIM (5:33:08 PM): So killing one of the better players (whether people like to admit it or not) that also happens to be very talkative would never be a bad thing on Night 1 for a wolf
bjstrattonIM (5:33:26 PM): Excluding voyeur situations and such <_<
stressreliefball (5:34:03 PM): well that's about dead on my thinking as well
stressreliefball (5:34:20 PM): it's curious though, other people seem to see iggy as a poor choice
bjstrattonIM (5:34:33 PM): Really?
bjstrattonIM (5:34:44 PM): I've looked at the thread once since the day started
stressreliefball (5:34:47 PM): afro and vash in that convo reveal as much
bjstrattonIM (5:34:51 PM): I think there were less than 5 posts on it
bjstrattonIM (5:34:57 PM): I didn't read the convo >_>
stressreliefball (5:35:02 PM): I'm talking with hans now who called it "retarded"
bjstrattonIM (7:41:49 PM): Do you think there's any merit in looking at those who specifically said they were green instead of simply "not seer"?
stressreliefball (7:42:20 PM): doubt it
bjstrattonIM (7:42:26 PM): I ask this because my use of "green" was once used against me when I was a wolf
bjstrattonIM (7:42:30 PM): Rather than "human"
stressreliefball (7:42:47 PM): well
stressreliefball (7:42:52 PM): shash said he was green
bjstrattonIM (7:43:00 PM): Shash and Stoic
stressreliefball (7:43:02 PM): but I think that was to reference the frog
bjstrattonIM (7:43:02 PM): Hans said both
stressreliefball (7:43:05 PM): oh stoic did as well

stressreliefball (5:30:59 PM): stressreliefball (5:14:55 PM): iggy: good kill, bad kill, or neither, in your opinion?
NotSoFarOff (5:31:25 PM): is retarded an option?
NotSoFarOff (5:31:40 PM): only because I think iggy often leads the humans astray
stressreliefball (5:32:03 PM): who would you have gone after
NotSoFarOff (5:32:04 PM): and it would be dumb for the wolves to kill some that, I think, wouldn't hurt them
NotSoFarOff (5:32:15 PM): shash probably
stressreliefball (5:32:36 PM): why shash?
NotSoFarOff (5:32:53 PM): he's smart?
NotSoFarOff (5:33:02 PM): probably the best player other than yourself
NotSoFarOff (5:33:16 PM): but you'd probably be guarded

stressreliefball (5:16:12 PM): stressreliefball (5:14:55 PM): iggy: good kill, bad kill, or neither, in your opinion?

Auto response from Shashakiro (5:16:19 PM): not here

Shashakiro (11:13:43 PM): bad

Auto response from stressreliefball (11:13:43 PM): house


stressreliefball (5:14:55 PM): iggy: good kill, bad kill, or neither, in your opinion?
im jurs (5:15:36 PM): Kind of neutral on the situation. He can be helpful, and he can bring people down. I don't know, i'm not really upset over him being killed but whatever. It's not like he was a top tier playa
stressreliefball (5:16:03 PM): hmm ok
im jurs (5:17:11 PM): What about you?
stressreliefball (5:17:25 PM): I thought it was decently logical
stressreliefball (5:17:37 PM): they figure maybe I'm going to be guarded
im jurs (5:17:44 PM): Mid rank player, not likely to be guarded?
stressreliefball (5:17:48 PM): look down the list for someone active and helpful, etc
im jurs (5:18:22 PM): Yeah

stressreliefball (5:13:20 PM): test
stressreliefball (5:16:10 PM): stressreliefball (5:14:55 PM): iggy: good kill, bad kill, or neither, in your opinion?
StoicRoivaS (5:35:15 PM): what's your definition of "good"?
stressreliefball (5:35:33 PM): intelligent from the perspective of the wolves
StoicRoivaS (5:35:36 PM): i think he's a decent player, with decent activity, slightly risky, but by no means a bad kill
StoicRoivaS (5:35:53 PM): it's probably a safe bet you would be guarded
StoicRoivaS (5:35:58 PM): i think hans is up there too
stressreliefball (5:36:13 PM): not many of the old top tier players in this game
StoicRoivaS (5:36:28 PM): yeah, which makes iggy a semi safe target
StoicRoivaS (5:36:35 PM): that's how i took it
stressreliefball (5:36:45 PM): about how I took it as well
stressreliefball (5:36:58 PM): I'm curious as to why some people seem to think it was a bad kill
StoicRoivaS (5:37:42 PM): yeah, i think iggy's halfway good at the game, he just doesn't have as much of the rep that some other players do
StoicRoivaS (5:37:46 PM): worse player imo
StoicRoivaS (5:37:48 PM): players*
StoicRoivaS (5:44:08 PM): i do kinda agree with hans though

Auto response from stressreliefball (5:44:08 PM): hungry, etc

StoicRoivaS (5:44:18 PM): i think shash is going to be a great player once he gets a rep
StoicRoivaS (5:44:37 PM): better so than iggy
stressreliefball (11:43:30 PM): stoic
StoicRoivaS (11:44:01 PM): yo
StoicRoivaS (11:44:05 PM): bout to start some studying
StoicRoivaS (11:44:09 PM): need somethig quick?
StoicRoivaS (11:44:12 PM): or should we talk later
stressreliefball (11:44:13 PM): not quick
stressreliefball (11:44:17 PM): I'll catch you later
StoicRoivaS (11:44:20 PM): random game stuff
StoicRoivaS (11:44:34 PM): i'll be on later
StoicRoivaS (6:16:20 PM): i like how i'm close to being lynched for picking up playing ragnarok as the new bad habbit
StoicRoivaS (6:16:33 PM): jesus christ, sorry i normally post a lot, i'll quit
stressreliefball (7:30:08 PM): your activity had nothing to do with what I posted

Auto response from StoicRoivaS (7:30:09 PM): y'all don't want to hear me, you just wanna dance.

stressreliefball (7:30:25 PM): it was mainly your vote
StoicRoivaS (7:30:46 PM): that i had no one to go on so i had no problem with jwc being gone?
StoicRoivaS (7:31:06 PM): i really didn't think he'd even make it in with tps/matt/someone willing to play
stressreliefball (7:31:25 PM): well
StoicRoivaS (7:31:33 PM): obviously my vote wasn't random in anyway
StoicRoivaS (7:31:43 PM): that was sarcasm
stressreliefball (7:31:45 PM): you seemed to give that impression
StoicRoivaS (7:31:47 PM): hence the quote marks
stressreliefball (7:32:01 PM): let me re read it
StoicRoivaS (7:32:35 PM): i voted him purposefully since i had no one better i don't don't think he deserves to play after repeatedly violating the grace people give him
stressreliefball (7:33:24 PM): ok I see what you are saying about it not being a safety vote and whatnot
stressreliefball (7:33:34 PM): and I understand your argument
stressreliefball (7:33:42 PM): not saying I buy it entirely
stressreliefball (7:33:45 PM): but I understand
StoicRoivaS (7:33:51 PM): i thought it was obvious i was kidding
StoicRoivaS (7:34:05 PM): that's what the [checks aim] thing was about
stressreliefball (7:34:08 PM): I knew you were kidding
stressreliefball (7:34:14 PM): I just missed the quotes around safety
stressreliefball (7:34:17 PM): as well as the other parts
stressreliefball (7:34:29 PM): so I thought you were just kidding about the totally random part
stressreliefball (7:34:30 PM): etc
stressreliefball (7:34:32 PM): anyway
StoicRoivaS (7:34:39 PM): yeah, like me playing RO
StoicRoivaS (7:34:48 PM): and how i said it ahead of time so i wouldn't catch crap for it later
StoicRoivaS (7:34:53 PM): which apparently didn't work
stressreliefball (7:34:58 PM): I'm not giving you crap for it
stressreliefball (7:35:12 PM): what I have
stressreliefball (7:35:20 PM): is some suspicion in why you brought it up
StoicRoivaS (7:35:21 PM): well, by catch crap i obviously mean, mistrust humanity
StoicRoivaS (7:35:33 PM): because i normally post a lot, and i'm quite vocal about it
stressreliefball (7:35:38 PM): right
StoicRoivaS (7:35:52 PM): and i didn't want people to be all "stoic isn't posting, blah blah, he's always whining about posting..."
stressreliefball (7:35:58 PM): right
stressreliefball (7:36:14 PM): and wolves are typically more self aware in this way
stressreliefball (7:36:21 PM): which is where that suspicion stemmed from
StoicRoivaS (7:36:28 PM): i got hooked about a week ago and haven't stopped playing, just wanted to get it out early that i wouldn't be posting as much as usual, but still more than enough to participate
StoicRoivaS (7:37:03 PM): wolves or people that are genuinely interested in playing TWG regularly
stressreliefball (7:37:46 PM): well look
stressreliefball (7:37:56 PM): I posted my thoughts because I thought they were worth looking into
stressreliefball (7:38:02 PM): and worth being thought about
StoicRoivaS (7:38:11 PM): i'm not upset at you at all
stressreliefball (7:38:11 PM): obviously, day one, there's no slam dunk evidence out there
StoicRoivaS (7:38:21 PM): it's a game of lies, i'm just frusterate at the situation
stressreliefball (7:38:41 PM): who have you talked to this game
StoicRoivaS (7:39:04 PM): do what you think is best and so do i, i just thought voting jwc cause he doesn't deserve to play and i have no other evidence to go on was a worthy reason
StoicRoivaS (7:39:24 PM): not that many people, RO trumps aim any day
StoicRoivaS (7:39:31 PM): just got done talking to kilga for a while though
StoicRoivaS (7:39:36 PM): about the same thing
stressreliefball (7:39:45 PM): you've talked to dbp as well
StoicRoivaS (7:39:52 PM): yeah, a little bit
StoicRoivaS (7:40:03 PM): we always talk on and off about random stuff, and it ventures to twg when it does
stressreliefball (7:40:24 PM): who else, besides dbp and kilga?
StoicRoivaS (7:40:59 PM): no one else really, i've had a few couple minute convos, but nothing meaningful that i recall
stressreliefball (7:41:07 PM): k
StoicRoivaS (7:41:20 PM): jurs and hans and i duked it out for a little while, but that was barely twg related
StoicRoivaS (7:41:30 PM): they don't like my font
stressreliefball (7:41:48 PM): ok
stressreliefball (7:41:54 PM): well beyond all that
stressreliefball (7:42:00 PM): you say that you have nothing to go on
stressreliefball (7:42:13 PM): yet there was quite a big disturbance before you posted and such
stressreliefball (7:42:18 PM): what did you make of that?
StoicRoivaS (7:42:58 PM): exactly what i said about it in my post
StoicRoivaS (7:43:05 PM): if you'd like me to go quote it for you
stressreliefball (7:43:12 PM): human idioits
StoicRoivaS (7:43:19 PM): basically
StoicRoivaS (7:43:35 PM): i don't see sert/etc being wolves and drawing so much attention
StoicRoivaS (7:43:46 PM): and it seems highly unlikely any of it was staged
stressreliefball (7:43:55 PM): well are you talking about sert/jurs
stressreliefball (7:43:57 PM): or nija/shash
StoicRoivaS (7:43:57 PM): so i'm putting it off as humans being stupid for now
StoicRoivaS (7:44:15 PM): sert/jurs was the main fight at the time i posted that
StoicRoivaS (7:44:24 PM): shash is another story
stressreliefball (7:44:29 PM): well what do you make of the voting between shash and nija and all that
stressreliefball (7:44:37 PM): that's what I'm more interested in
StoicRoivaS (7:45:00 PM): like i think i commented to you when you were polling, i probably would have picked shash over iggy, not by a whole lot, but i think shash is the better player with iggy the better rep
stressreliefball (7:45:14 PM): ok

Auto response from StoicRoivaS (7:45:15 PM): y'all don't want to hear me, you just wanna dance.

stressreliefball (7:45:20 PM): and what about his voting for nija
stressreliefball (7:45:27 PM): that didn't seem indicative of a very strong player
StoicRoivaS (7:46:28 PM): looking for the post
stressreliefball (7:47:12 PM): posts 44 - 50
StoicRoivaS (7:47:15 PM): yeah, i would have given shash more credit than that, it was almost as weak as mine
stressreliefball (7:47:41 PM): do you think it's a suspicious vote?
StoicRoivaS (7:48:06 PM): i think he's smart enough to come up with better, but then again i'd say the same thing about myself, and i clearly failed
StoicRoivaS (7:48:20 PM): i'll be watching him if he doesn't die soon, that's for dang sure
stressreliefball (7:48:49 PM): what do you think of hans?
StoicRoivaS (7:50:04 PM): such that i've gathered over my time here, yourself or hans would be the likely guard for a D1, such is so that he'll be more clearly revealed after the next night
StoicRoivaS (7:50:21 PM): if one of the two of you don't die i'd be quite suspicious of you both
StoicRoivaS (7:50:46 PM): but for now it's hard to say, we've said very little
stressreliefball (7:50:57 PM): k
stressreliefball (7:52:55 PM): I only asked because both of you were big fans of shash when I talked about iggy
StoicRoivaS (7:53:13 PM): ah
StoicRoivaS (7:53:28 PM): yeah i think shash will be/is a really good player, just way underrated because of how long he's been playing
StoicRoivaS (7:54:04 PM): hans is a bit overrated imo
StoicRoivaS (7:54:29 PM): iggy isn't bad, but he's been around long enough i take it that people listen, which counts for quite a bit in this game
stressreliefball (7:55:00 PM): just seems weird to me
stressreliefball (7:55:11 PM): I can't even remember shash's first game
stressreliefball (7:55:30 PM): but you and hans are both aware of his skill
StoicRoivaS (7:55:31 PM): less than 5 i think
StoicRoivaS (7:55:46 PM): his first was a game or two after mine
stressreliefball (7:55:57 PM): he only played in one though, right?
StoicRoivaS (7:56:06 PM): i thought he's played more than that
StoicRoivaS (7:56:17 PM): yeah, he has
stressreliefball (7:56:17 PM): I can only remember him whining about all blue games and not wanting to play until it was original
StoicRoivaS (7:56:20 PM): cause he was in mine
StoicRoivaS (7:56:26 PM): yeah, he's been in at least 2
StoicRoivaS (7:56:29 PM): probably 3-4
stressreliefball (7:56:39 PM): wow
stressreliefball (7:56:43 PM): I must have missed that
StoicRoivaS (7:58:39 PM): what do you think of him (this game)
StoicRoivaS (7:58:48 PM): if i made a real vote i think it would have been him
StoicRoivaS (7:58:58 PM): and kilga kind of mentioned the same thing
stressreliefball (8:01:20 PM): sorry was in bathroom

Auto response from StoicRoivaS (8:01:20 PM): y'all don't want to hear me, you just wanna dance.

stressreliefball (8:01:24 PM): anyway
stressreliefball (8:01:35 PM): like I posted, I'm not entirely convinced about shash
stressreliefball (8:01:57 PM): for one, I'd expect a wolf to be a little more aware of how sketchy that vote would look
StoicRoivaS (8:02:04 PM): yeah, his vote plus iggy over him doesn't make him look all that great
StoicRoivaS (8:02:12 PM): it's lose, but something
stressreliefball (8:02:30 PM): he has been rather responsive to posts about him
stressreliefball (8:02:43 PM): which isn't necessarily wolfish
stressreliefball (8:02:47 PM): but could be construed as such
StoicRoivaS (8:03:53 PM): i tend to not anylyze things so concretely
StoicRoivaS (8:04:05 PM): and go with gut feelings
stressreliefball (8:04:19 PM): you didn't with jwc
StoicRoivaS (8:04:20 PM): they do me well, but i have trouble implementing my feelings into group action i think
StoicRoivaS (8:04:42 PM): hah, that was 90% not having someone better and 10% not liking him
StoicRoivaS (8:06:25 PM): i gotta spend my meal card money by 830, i'll be right back
StoicRoivaS (8:30:02 PM): back, in case you had more
stressreliefball (8:30:42 PM): heh

Auto response from StoicRoivaS (8:30:43 PM): y'all don't want to hear me, you just wanna dance.

stressreliefball (8:30:46 PM): I can only grill for so long
StoicRoivaS (8:30:55 PM): haha, fair enough
StoicRoivaS (8:31:10 PM): who are your top suspicions, including myself if that still holds
stressreliefball (8:31:27 PM): shash a little bit
stressreliefball (8:31:38 PM): hans a tiny bit, looking at some of what kilga said
StoicRoivaS (8:31:50 PM): eh
stressreliefball (8:31:50 PM): but I'm waiting until he votes to make up my mind there
stressreliefball (8:31:53 PM): jurs a little bit
stressreliefball (8:31:59 PM): but not as much
StoicRoivaS (8:32:06 PM): kilga has a point i think, but that point only applies well over millions of samples
stressreliefball (8:32:10 PM): sertman I think is human
stressreliefball (8:32:15 PM): and afro I think is human
StoicRoivaS (8:32:21 PM): yeah, i agree on sert
StoicRoivaS (8:32:27 PM): i never know what to think of afro
StoicRoivaS (8:32:38 PM): he's always annoying yet somehow moderately ok at twg
stressreliefball (8:32:48 PM): he has great instincts half the time
StoicRoivaS (8:32:54 PM): yeah
stressreliefball (8:32:59 PM): when he's a wolf though
stressreliefball (8:33:00 PM): he \
stressreliefball (8:33:04 PM): he's much more reserved
StoicRoivaS (8:33:09 PM): yeah
StoicRoivaS (8:33:36 PM): i'm slowly seeing the things that are already established between the regulars
StoicRoivaS (1:25:37 AM): i thought i should appoligize, i know this will probably make me look worse in your eyes, but the truth is worth it to me, i just now noticed afro voted jwc before me

Auto response from stressreliefball (1:25:38 AM): work tomorrow


Auto response from StoicRoivaS (1:25:38 AM): y'all don't want to hear me, you just wanna dance.

StoicRoivaS (1:25:54 AM): i saw the totals and was quite confused, i recalled his sert safety and didn't recall him voting jwc
StoicRoivaS (1:26:10 AM): i understand more why you guys were so jumpy about my vote
StoicRoivaS (1:26:24 AM): sorry, for what it's worth, twg and humanity aside

[talisman]

Originally Posted by stoic

Why not vote observer yesterday then?

I considered it, but I had already voted and at the time I was mainly concerned with whether or not I should break the tie between shash and jwc, as I didn't feel jwc was a wolf at all (and yet the time wasn't too convinced about shash either). And I was waiting to see what hans would do as well regarding the tie (which turned out to be nothing). Then jwc IMed me (as you can read above) and the part where he said "you humans" stopped me in my tracks and I decided that I wouldn't intervene.

[sertman]

I don't think Hans is a wolf. I think that if he WAS a wolf, he wouldn't have forgotten about this game, like I think he has.

I have a feeling that the wolves engineered the vote on Hans, and I think 2 or 3 of the people who voted for hans are wolves. I don't think JWC is a wolf, and Vash is the seer, so that leaves Eric, Jurs, and Kilga. Both Kilga and Eric are flying under the radar in my opinion, so they're high on my suspicion list right now. I'm not sure what to make of jurs. She's bitching at EVERYONE this game, which makes it kind of hard to figure out if it's an act or not. My gut tells me it's not an act, but who knows.

[jwcgator]

Originally Posted by talisman

Then jwc IMed me (as you can read above) and the part where he said "you humans" stopped me in my tracks and I decided that I wouldn't intervene.

Haha, that was a really bad choice of words on my part. What I meant to say was "the rest of you humans" really. Meaning I and the humans as a group, not The humans as a group excluding me.

[JurseyRider734]

Originally Posted by sertman

I don't think Hans is a wolf. I think that if he WAS a wolf, he wouldn't have forgotten about this game, like I think he has.

I have a feeling that the wolves engineered the vote on Hans, and I think 2 or 3 of the people who voted for hans are wolves. I don't think JWC is a wolf, and Vash is the seer, so that leaves Eric, Jurs, and Kilga. Both Kilga and Eric are flying under the radar in my opinion, so they're high on my suspicion list right now. I'm not sure what to make of jurs. She's bitching at EVERYONE this game, which makes it kind of hard to figure out if it's an act or not. My gut tells me it's not an act, but who knows.

Yeah because "everyone" = you and jwc. I bitched at jwc as a cruel joke. I bitched at you because you're a pain in the ass. Why do you fail to recognize this?

[sertman]

Originally Posted by JurseyRider734

Yeah because "everyone" = you and jwc. I bitched at jwc as a cruel joke. I bitched at you because you're a pain in the ass. Why do you fail to recognize this?

Do you enjoy picking fights with me?

[jwcgator]

Wilkin better hurry up and end this day lmao, it's about to get ugly.

[FoJaR]

is anyone else worried about the fact that we dont have a psychic report?