Happy 420!!!

[sertman]

Just keep thinking that the world is just a conspiricy to corrupt the youth of America and feed them bull****, Rairai. Surely you know more than them, right? Surely you can see through the bull**** that men and women went through years and years of college to get their masters degrees and their PHD's just to feed you bull**** tell you, right? And to answer your last question, THC just goes the parts of your brain that have to do with thought, pleasure, sensory and time perception, and movement, and decreases it's ability.

And jewpin, yes, you are being irresponsible by smoking marijuana. Just because it may be the only irresponsible thing you do doesn't mean it isn't irresponsible. The same thing applies to Rairai as well.

[TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons]

Originally Posted by sertman

Just keep thinking that the world is just a conspiricy to corrupt the youth of America and feed them bull****, Rairai. Surely you know more than them, right?

Actually I never said that and you're just being an irrational dick and taking what I said to an extreme. Saying that there is a lot of propaganda, which there unquestionably is, does not equate to being a conspiracy theorist. There is no question at all that there is a ton of propaganda, especially on subjects like this.

Originally Posted by sertman

Surely you can see through the bull**** that men and women went through years and years of college to get their masters degrees and their PHD's just to feed you bull**** tell you, right?

Yes, when it makes them more money that way, unquestionably there are people who do so. The government is willing to pay loads. I also never said that people who spew propaganda live for nothing other than to spew propaganda. You're once again immaturely exagerating my statements.

Originally Posted by sertman

And to answer your last question, THC just goes the parts of your brain that have to do with thought, pleasure, sensory and time perception, and movement, and decreases it's ability.

Flat out fucking incorrect.
THC widens your perception. That's what it does. Simple as that.
You can feel everything at once (your clothes, air around you, your hair), you can hear all the little bits in a complex song without even thinking about it (though if you're into football you're probably into shitty talentless rock music), you can percieve everything in your vision at once, all the signals your getting, etc., the list goes on, to a level you can't even imagine while not under the influence.
It widens the window of what can be thought of and imagined at once, and in NO WAY at all decreases any mental ability.
Unfortunately, truly stupid people will be like "OMG I FEEL FUZZY LOL." That doesn't mean that's all it does.

Originally Posted by sertman

And jewpin, yes, you are being irresponsible by smoking marijuana. Just because it may be the only irresponsible thing you do doesn't mean it isn't irresponsible. The same thing applies to Rairai as well.

No actually you just said that responsible people never do drugs.

Originally Posted by sertman

The key word is "if you're responsible"

Responsible people don't do drugs.

Absolute fail; you just defeated yourself.

[sertman]

I never said you weren't an irresponsible person. Regardless of what you do, if you smoke marijuana, you're an irresponsible person. It would be the same if I, for instance, murdered someone. Even if i got straight A's, did a lot for charity, and whathaveyou, I would still be a murderer, no?

And of course you think marijuana does all that ****. Your perception and thinking processes are distorted, so you may think that that's what occurs, but in reality it isn't the case.

[TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons]

Oh, and obviously watching TV makes you a lazy person and playing a game of football makes you a jock.

Smoking weed does not automatically make you an irresponsible person. You're being a giant ignoramus by suggesting something so ludicrous. It doesn't change who you are.

Originally Posted by sertman

And of course you think marijuana does all that ****. Your perception and thinking processes are distorted, so you may think that that's what occurs, but in reality it isn't the case.

No, perception expansion is literally what it does, there is no question about it. That is why some of the world's best thinkers use it, that is why some of the world's most talented artists use it. That's why I can see individual frames in Chris Cunningham videos and hear all the hi-hats in a vsnarz song when I'm high. If you knew what you were talking about, you would know that.
Saying that the effect of TCH isn't perception expention and a widening of the window of what can be comprehended at once is like saying that exlax doesn't make you shit.

Seriously, stop trying to pretend you know shit about something you're so grossly ignorant about.

[Afrobean]

Haha.

Comparing marijuana to murder.

You should really learn to think for yourself. Just curious, but what is your stance on alcohol, most specifically, if someone drinks very little and is of legal age?

[TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons]

ps you're peeing on your own feet.

LOL CLEARLY IT DOESN'T DO WHAT IT CLEARLY DOES CAUSE MY GYM TEACHER TOLD ME IT JUST MAKES YOU DUMB AND MAKES YOU THINK THAT YOU'RE FEELING WHAT IT MAKES YOU FEEL EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE CLEARLY FEELING IT

It's not a deliriant, it's a psychadelic. There is a huge difference. You are really feeling what you are feeling when you're on weed. You aren't really feeling what you are feeling while you're on Datura. Datura is probably the most hardcore drug ever. I'm never doing it.

[sertman]

"You should really learn to think for yourself" is probably the most common thing that people say to people who don't want to go against the law or against their parents wishes. How about I keep listening to people who know a hell of a lot more than I do, and you keep thinking that you know enough about life and the world as it exists to make your own decisions about what's safe. And my stance on drinking is that it is legal if you are over 21. Have i ever drunk beer or anything that contains alcohol? Yes. Am i an irresponsible person? Yes. I don't deny that I am.

And rairai, how about you stop pulling stuff out of your ass and give me a credible source that backs those statements up.

[TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons]

If you think I'm pulling stuff out of my ass and you're not, there is seriously something wrong with this entire discussion.

I'm giving first hand experience, by the way. You've given nothing but bullshit.


Also if you think you're better off just listening to people who you assume are trustworthy, you don't deserve your humanity. I think it's sad that you admit that you don't think for yourself. It's probably why you watch football.

I am quite happy to make my own decisions, thank you. You trying to insult us by saying that we think for ourselves is depressing man. You're peeing on your own feet [more].

It's probably the most common thing that intelligent free-thinkers say, because it's true. If you don't think for yourself you are a worthless sheep.

[Snapps]

yeah k rairai has done it all dont be frontin

[sertman]

Your "first hand experience" means **** when you told me that it was a scientific fact that marijuana enhances your perception and all that other ****, especially when it was done under the influence of mind-altering chemicals such as THC. I've provided plenty of sources for my information, and if you want to think that they're propaganda for whatever reason, then you can keep "thinking for yourself" as you please. And believe it or not, i do think for myself. I form my own opinions, and make sure that i back each and every opinion up with facts before i present them. You still haven't provided sources, and i'd like to see you try to do so with CREDIBLE sources (not **** that cites stuff from the 70's and 80's, when marijuana was much less potent)

[Afrobean]

haha

This should be in the garbage bin.

Because of the general content of sertman's posts.

[scorpio1690]

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/

[TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons]

Marijuana was NOT less potent in the 70s and 80s, by the way.

And I don't have to link to a study in order to state the clear and the obvious.
If you want a credible source for the effects of weed, www.erowid.org
Erowid is legit and ubiased, and if you can't accept what you read there, you can't accept anything.

You're starting to get ridiculous, sertman.

ps you'll notice fairly quickly that it's listed as "Intoxicant; Stimulant; Psychedelic; Depressant," not "Deliriant"

EDIT: thanks scorpio, beat me to the punch

[sertman]

Erowid's no different from any source that I gave you, except that it supports your point of view. So how are my sources propaganda and how is your source credible?

[TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons]

Erowid is legit. It is common knowledge that erowid is legit.

Erowid is unbiased.
Erowid does NOT support our side, by saying that it is clear that you didn't go through and read the information. Erowid does not support any side, and does not condone drug use, it tells it like it is.
.gov sites and sites monitored by the government will support whatever side the government wants you to believe.

Erowid is probably the only truley reliable source that has been brought up in this entire discussion.

[sertman]

I've been through erowid. The problem with erowid is that it has such an unbelievable amount of information that it's very easy to miss the dangerous information unless you have a medical degree. And while I understand that studying the positive effects of drugs is professional suicide, the fact that a lot of it is from anonymous people still shreds a doubt on it's bias and credibility.

[Tokzic]

How can a discussion last so long and yet go nowhere?

Oh, right, it's a difference of opinion issue, meaning it's pointless.

Especially since all that's happening is argument about legitimate sources.

[TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons]

All of the information in the main vault is verified. There is information written by various people throughout the site, in the essays and experience reports and such, those are generally reliable, but theoretically could technically be unreliable, which is apparently enough for you to say "NO THATS NOT TRU ITZ BAD"

The main vault is credible, look at the material on there.

[TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons]

Originally Posted by Tokzic

How can a discussion last so long and yet go nowhere?

Oh, right, it's a difference of opinion issue, meaning it's pointless.

Especially since all that's happening is argument about legitimate sources.

Except that the fact that people can smoke marijuana and be responsible isn't an opinion, and that's all I'm trying to say.

edit: oh yeah, and that it has some good uses and that if it didn't have good uses then smart people wouldn't do it

[lord_carbo]

Originally Posted by TheRaiRaiEatsBalloons

Except that the fact that people can smoke marijuana and be responsible isn't an opinion, and that's all I'm trying to say.

That's all you were trying to say a page or so back. Looks like it strayed back to an argument about biased sources again. How odd.

The truth is, this won't go anywhere, anytime, so it's better off being locked.