Twelve Days of FFRmas: Song Discussions

[~Zeta~]

Originally Posted by Mike Weedmark

What are "spins"?

Anyway, streams are just streams. 280BPM JS is one thing but straight tappity tap notes? We're basically talking BB Revenge here. You guys are exaggerating how difficult it is to hit silky smooth patterns. This isn't Renai.

spins are pad patterns that make a person do a 360 hitting arrows.

the patterns: 2134 1243

Milky Blue has 6(?) spin transitions into more spins as well as staircases and descending roll streams (the huge 4321 3214 2143 1432 [the 32nds are split up to see the descending part easier]). That doesn't even come close to silky smooth lol.

[Mike Weedmark]

Originally Posted by qqwref

I feel like I should remind you that Reality is a 79, and also has "silky smooth" streams which are way shorter and ~35 bpm slower than this file.

edit: I looked it up, the 32nd streams are 294 bpm

Good point, but the gluts are what make Reality a 79, not the streams.

260/294 is a ~9% difference. 35bpm when you're already close to the 300s is not a significant jump.

Edit: Ahhh I had a feeling that's what people were talking about. I don't find those hard. 1324 and 4231 stuff is what kills me.

[qqwref]

I think you're just deliberately ignoring any objective factors, instead going "but this song is easy for me" (while you have 70 goods on it). Yeah, we get it's not an 85, but it's not even close to being a 79 either. This chart is objectively far harder than Reality and looking at your scores you have better scores on every other 79 except Pants (which is very long, so that makes sense) so clearly you'd consider Reality a hard 79. It's not just stream that's 10% faster - which is ABSOLUTELY a significant jump; ask someone who just AA'd Disregard to AA it on 1.1 rate and see if they get it easily - but also a longer chart requiring more endurance, with 24th jumpstream and trills (those are at 220.5 bpm by the way) and also minitrills and tricky patterns.

Honestly, if you don't find these things difficult you should be happy you can handle a chart which is significantly harder than every 79. Arguing that adding 10% speed, 2+ minutes of length, and 220bpm jumpstream doesn't increase the difficulty of a file just makes you look like you have no clue what you're talking about.

[yo man im awesome]

I guess I'm never playing Milky Blue rofl (i.e. -3 million credits lmfao)

[Coolboyrulez0]

It's an 83 or 84 but that shouldnt be talked about in this thread, in the first place.
Make a difficulty thread for it (sun)

[One Winged Angel]

I was debating msg'ing to have this bumped down to 84 prior to its release but opted not to due to length of the file.

I have no problem with MB being an 84, but it certainly doesn't play any lower than that imo. Betrayal's currently an 83 with similar stream patterns and trills, whereas MB's stream is 20bpm faster, contains 220bpm polyrhythmic jumpstream, and is almost 3k notes in length. I don't really see how this isn't harder than all of the current 83s.

And yeah, make a thread for it, don't discuss it in-depth in here.

[SK8R43]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I guess I'm never playing Milky Blue rofl (i.e. -3 million credits lmfao)

Now whose fault is that? rofl

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by SK8R43

Now whose fault is that? rofl

oh lmfao i know it's my fault, I find it hilarious that I'll never play this

[SK8R43]

I find it hilarious that ill never play it too... with my one credit lmao

[Poison-]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I guess I'm never playing Milky Blue rofl (i.e. -3 million credits lmfao)

I don't understand how you have -3 mil :/

[bballa48]

Originally Posted by One Winged Angel

I was debating msg'ing to have this bumped down to 84 prior to its release but opted not to due to length of the file.

I have no problem with MB being an 84, but it certainly doesn't play any lower than that imo. Betrayal's currently an 83 with similar stream patterns and trills, whereas MB's stream is 20bpm faster, contains 220bpm polyrhythmic jumpstream, and is almost 3k notes in length. I don't really see how this isn't harder than all of the current 83s.

And yeah, make a thread for it, don't discuss it in-depth in here.

Just want to point out that the difference between Betrayal's trills and MB's trills is night and day. I don't understand how these can be compared. I can't even dream of getting through Betrayal without dumping misses all over the place, yet I don't even break a sweat ripping through MB.

However, I do agree the "spins" are very tricky and, upon playing the file a few more times, I do agree it belongs in the 82-83 range. The issue for me is it doesn't have a difficulty spike. There are 82s and 83s with WAY harder sections than this song (Blue Rose, 12 bar bloops, molto, Einstein, Lawn Wake) and honestly even some 81s and 80s (integraation, ELEVEN, Holy Orders). Yet, MB is long and consistently challenging. These files are really hard to rate.

Oh and for what it's worth, you could flip flop Penguins and MB and I wouldn't blink an eye lol.

[One Winged Angel]

I guess I worded that poorly, I meant that the stream patterns were similar and the only other thing that's FGO in difficulty in Betrayal are the trills. I know Betrayal trills and MB trills aren't comparable.

Depending on what a player struggles with, in response to sections in files of lower difficulty that you think should usurp MB in difficulty, of course some people are going to find a few 82s more difficult than some 84s, or some 87s more difficult than 89s. Not everyone has the same skillset, which holds especially true for you in particular bballa lol. Looking at the file as objectively as possible, ~295bpm stream isn't present in anything under the 84 mark, and the closest thing it can even be compared to is the PK guitar solo, which isn't nearly as tricky for most players as the MB streams will prove. And yes, as qqwref already stated, a 10% increase in bpm is a ridiculous jump at these speeds, comparing this song to Reality or ERv2 doesn't make much sense. MB stream blows those out of the water. Lots of people are also failing to realize that 220bpm jumpstream, with jumps layered every three notes at some points, is going to be pretty damn tough for players lacking speed to keep up with. Kidney Stone has 210bpm js with jumps layered every four (shittier patterns though, I'm aware, don't point it out lol I'm just comparing speeds). Anyone that can keep up with KS probably won't have that much more trouble with the MB jumpstream at all points. But a player with less speed can find this very difficult.

Add in 3k notes with close to 2k being 'non-filler' difficulty, and again I'll restate I don't find this objectively less difficult than anything less than 84. Yes, the E-RB 64ths suck and the Integraation intro is balls, but there would be like a 5 or 6 point spread for where people would think those files should end up if we got a discussion going for those. They can't be directly compared with this file due to testing of different skillsets and thus they shouldn't be compared.

[Mike Weedmark]

Why bring up the 24th JS? I do that shit on autopilot. The trills in this song are nowhere near Betrayal's (have you PLAYED Betrayal? Be real lol) and the streams don't have ANY of the reversals or left-right minitrills or any other gimmick that's responsible for making streams like RAIN and Reality hard, which they're not. Reality's difficulty comes from gluts and RAIN's comes from trills. Payon-trills, not the Jelly Roll stuff in MB.

I'm starting to agree that this song isn't 79 or 80, but not based on difficulty. It plays like an honest-to-god 78. It's more the length argument. It's not higher than 82 though. It's objectively lower than Blue Rose and Tenimuhou, which are also long, but actually have finger-jamming parts in them.

[Poison-]

You talk about MB as if you can score really well on it...:/

[Coolboyrulez0]

Mike, just stop. I'll keep it at that.
You have little to no knowledge about how file rating seems to work and just making a fool of yourself with certain comments such as "I do that shit on autopilot," or "It plays like an honest-to-god 78. It's more the length argument."

PS: You might wanna look up subjective and objective because I am not convinced you understand these words or how to use them.

[Razor]

this file made something else milky

[One Winged Angel]

Originally Posted by Mike Weedmark

It's objectively lower than Blue Rose and Tenimuhou...

Seeing as how MB plays nothing like either of these two files, I don't know why you would say it's 'objectively' less difficult. Blue Rose has that minijacking section while the rest of the file doesn't surpass FMO difficulty and Teni has lots of filler, jacks, broken 24th jumpstream at 148bpm (not continuous like MB), and 48th walls. The only thing they share in common with MB is being 4+ mins in length.

Originally Posted by Razor

this file made something else milky

mmmmmmm (mm)

[Mike Weedmark]

And the things they don't share in common is having missbait, of which MB has NONE. Like, actually ZERO. Like I said, I've played it once completely cold and got 70g and 1m. Do you realize how HILARIOUS that is compared to my warmed-up good and miss counts on songs of the same level I'm already familiar with?

Here, let me go get 70g and 1m on Canary. Cya in 8 months.

[Poison-]

Originally Posted by Mike Weedmark

And the things they don't share in common is having missbait, of which MB has NONE. Like, actually ZERO. Like I said, I've played it once completely cold and got 70g and 1m. Do you realize how HILARIOUS that is compared to my warmed-up good and miss counts on songs of the same level I'm already familiar with?

Here, let me go get 70g and 1m on Canary. Cya in 8 months.

Cool you're bad at other songs. That doesn't mean MB is easy.

[Mike Weedmark]

Originally Posted by Poison-

Cool you're bad at other songs. That doesn't mean MB is easy.

Cool, MB isn't easy. Therefore as long as it's not below 70 its rating is spot on, right?

Coolboy: I was under the impression difficulty ratings had something to do with difficulty. Can you correct me really quickly if I'm wrong so I don't waste any more time on this? You seem to be a grandmaster of ratings discussions, so I wouldn't want to disagree with you.